2011/2012 NCAA Football Thread

[STDiva]

North Carolina at Georgia Tech
Western Michigan at Illinois
USC at Arizona St.
San Diego St. at Michigan
Florida St. at Clemson
Rice at Baylor
LSU at West Virginia
Florida at Kentucky
Arkansas at Alabama
Virginia Tech at Marshall
Vanderbilt at South Carolina
Oregon at Arizona
Nebraska at Wyoming
Oklahoma St. at Texas A&M
South Dakota at Wisconsin
Tulsa at Boise St.
Missouri at Oklahoma

Did anybody else notice Jagger posted LSU and Bama twice??

 

[PJpenny]

North Carolina at Georgia Tech
Western Michigan at Illinois
USC at Arizona St.
San Diego St. at Michigan Michigan will find a way to keep this game close when on the surface they should run away with it
Florida St. at Clemson
Rice at Baylor
LSU at West Virginia
Florida at Kentucky
Arkansas at Alabama
Virginia Tech at Marshall
Vanderbilt at South Carolina
Oregon at Arizona
Nebraska at Wyoming Wyoming had a hard enough time beating 2 FCS schools, why would they have any chance against Nebraska
Oklahoma St. at Texas A&M
South Dakota at Wisconsin wont be surprised if Wisconsin hangs 70
Tulsa at Boise St.
Missouri at Oklahoma

 

[CunningStunts]

The local newspaper where I live is reporting the SEC has invited Missouri to join the conference. It also stated at least one newspaper in Missouri is reporting the same thing, but officials from the SEC have denied this.

No offense to Mizzou folks, but I hope they do not join the SEC. For starters, just like TAM, they are not IN the Southeast!

 

[PlumpRump]

...San Diego St. at Michigan Michigan will find a way to keep this game close when on the surface they should run away with it...

Take a closer look at the stats. On paper, SDSU has the better, at least better performing, team.

QB
D. Robinson (Mich): 49% comp./531 yds/6TD/4Int.
vs
R. Lindley (SDSU): 53% comp./622 yds./7TD/1Int.

RB
D. Robinson (Mich): 50 carries for 352 and 2TD
F. Toussaint (Mich): 22 carries for 126 and 3TD
vs
R. Hillman (SDSU): 77 carries for 497 and 8TD (Hillman has as many RuTD as Robinson has Ru and Pa TDs combined)
W. Kazee (SDSU): 30 carries for 160 (0TD)

WR
J. Hemingway (Mich): 4 rec for 202 and 1TD
vs
C. Locket (SDSU): 12 rec for 254 and 2 TD


SDSU is averaging 5 more points per game than Michigan, (38 (SDSU) : 33.33 (Mich)) and while Michigan is allowing fewer points, by a TD, than SDSU (14.6 (Mich) : 21.6 (SDSU)), Michigan did give up 31 points, at home no less, to a lowly Notre Dame offense, in what was a defensively abhorrent effort by both teams down the stretch.

Don't be at all surprised if SDSU takes this game. 1st game against Michigan since Hoke left SDSU for Michigan? The Aztecs will definitely be fired up for this one.

 

[Jagger69]

The local newspaper where I live is reporting the SEC has invited Missouri to join the conference. It also stated at least one newspaper in Missouri is reporting the same thing, but officials from the SEC have denied this.

I also saw that the Pac 12 issued a statement that they have decided not to expand beyond 12 teams. Does anyone really believe this?

The newspaper also reported that Oklahoma's main reason for wanting to leave is because of Texas and their Longhorn network, but would consider staying if Texas drops the network and the Big 12 commissioner resigns.

Oklahoma just lost their trump card with the PAC-12's decision not to expand. Now, they need Texas more than ever. It only makes sense to try to resurrect the Big 12. The logical move if and when Missouri makes the jump to the SEC is for BYU and perhaps Houston to be added. Who knows....maybe Boise St. or Air Force would be candidates to make the conference whole once again with 12 teams and 2 divisions. New alignment might look like this:

North

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Kansas State
Boise State
Iowa State

South

Texas
Texas Tech
BYU
Air Force
Baylor
Houston

One problem with this scenario is that BSU doesn't fit academically with the rest of the schools. Perhaps TCU could be lured out of its commitment to an already-crumbling Big East and join the Big 12.

 

[Connor Macleod]

No offense to Mizzou folks, but I hope they do not join the SEC. For starters, just like TAM, they are not IN the Southeast!

Personally, I don't want Mizzou either. I'd rather see them stay in in the Big 12, or join the Big 10.

Oklahoma just lost their trump card with the PAC-12's decision not to expand. Now, they need Texas more than ever. It only makes sense to try to resurrect the Big 12. The logical move if and when Missouri makes the jump to the SEC is for BYU and perhaps Houston to be added. Who knows....maybe Boise St. or Air Force would be candidates to make the conference whole once again with 12 teams and 2 divisions. New alignment might look like this:

One problem with this scenario is that BSU doesn't fit academically with the rest of the schools. Perhaps TCU could be lured out of its commitment to an already-crumbling Big East and join the Big 12.

A week or so before Texas A&M was invited to join the SEC, the SEC issued a statement that it was not going to expand, but now we know that was a load of crap, so I have to wonder if the Pac 12 is doing the same thing.

Also, I thought of an off-the-wall scenario. Texas decides to keep the Longhorn network, but Oklahoma has it's way with getting rid of the Big 12 commissioner. Oklahoma decides to resurrect the Big 12 by adding teams and to make things equal like they want, try and force Texas out of the
Big 12. I know this sounds crazy, but it seems like the only way to have every team get an equal share of any Big 12 TV deal.

 

[rwill25]

From what I hear the deal didn't get done because of Texas. The Pac-12 didn't know how to incorporate the Longhorn network and have even revenue sharing amongst all the Pac-12(16) members. This meant Texas wasn't going to be apart of the deal. The Pac-12 only wanted to expand because it was intrigued by the Texas market, and without Texas, there wasn't going to be a deal.

 

[rwill25]

Oklahoma just lost their trump card with the PAC-12's decision not to expand. Now, they need Texas more than ever. It only makes sense to try to resurrect the Big 12. The logical move if and when Missouri makes the jump to the SEC is for BYU and perhaps Houston to be added. Who knows....maybe Boise St. or Air Force would be candidates to make the conference whole once again with 12 teams and 2 divisions. New alignment might look like this:

North

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Kansas State
Boise State
Iowa State

South

Texas
Texas Tech
BYU
Air Force
Baylor
Houston

One problem with this scenario is that BSU doesn't fit academically with the rest of the schools. Perhaps TCU could be lured out of its commitment to an already-crumbling Big East and join the Big 12.

I agree that the Big-12 will now try and expand. I hear they're looking at Louisville, BYU, and West Virginia(?:dunno.



I don't agree with your divisions. The Oklahoma schools in the North, and BYU and Air Force in the south? Geographically that makes no sense. :dunno:

 

[Jagger69]

I don't agree with your divisions. The Oklahoma schools in the North, and BYU and Air Force in the south? Geographically that makes no sense. :dunno:

So Oklahoma wanted to go to the PAC-12 and that makes sense geographically? TCU in the Big East and that makes sense geographically? Texas flirting with the ACC and that makes sense geographically? Geography has nothing to do with it. Oklahoma and OSU have always been in the Big 12 North so why change it? Just speculation anyway Will. You have a better alignment? Let's hear it.

No offense to Mizzou folks, but I hope they do not join the SEC. For starters, just like TAM, they are not IN the Southeast!

So what? Neither is Arkansas, LSU or Kentucky (in addition to Texas A & M as you mentioned). If you don't like Missouri that's fine but this geography stuff is out the window folks. It's all about TV markets. Deal with it.

 

[rwill25]

So Oklahoma wanted to go to the PAC-12 and that makes sense geographically? TCU in the Big East and that makes sense geographically? Texas flirting with the ACC and that makes sense geographically? Geography has nothing to do with it. Oklahoma and OSU have always been in the Big 12 North so why change it? Just speculation anyway Will. You have a better alignment? Let's hear it.

Uh... OU and OSU were in the Big 12 south, dude.

But if the Big 12 were to add teams and have divisions again, I would split it east and west. Because before, the Big 12 south had all the good teams and the north had all the shitty teams. Hopefully, east and west balances the powers better.

 

[Hot Mega]

I have realignment fatigue.

Wake me when musical chairs is over.

 

[YumiYumi_1988]

One problem with this scenario is that BSU doesn't fit academically with the rest of the schools.

Boise State doesn't fit academically with most community colleges.

Oklahoma just lost their trump card with the PAC-12's decision not to expand. Now, they need Texas more than ever. It only makes sense to try to resurrect the Big 12. The logical move if and when Missouri makes the jump to the SEC is for BYU and perhaps Houston to be added. Who knows....maybe Boise St. or Air Force would be candidates to make the conference whole once again with 12 teams and 2 divisions. New alignment might look like this:

North

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Kansas State
Boise State
Iowa State

South

Texas
Texas Tech
BYU
Air Force
Baylor
Houston

I tell you what, that's still a viable conference, and I like including Air Force in it. It also makes sense to have OU and UT in separate divisions (as well as State and Tech), for fair competition's sake. I do doubt Boise State would get invited, but any other candidate has their drawbacks. I think they should try to get Louisville. Louisville would be just as displaced, if not less, than BYU or Boise geographically.

I like the idea of staying at 10 though, I like that everyone gets to play each other every year, though it comes at the expense of the conference championship money grab.

 

[Jagger69]

Uh... OU and OSU were in the Big 12 south, dude.

Sorry man Freudian slip.

But if the Big 12 were to add teams and have divisions again, I would split it east and west. Because before, the Big 12 south had all the good teams and the north had all the shitty teams. Hopefully, east and west balances the powers better.

The purpose of putting OSU and OU in the North is to create more balance. The Big 12 North has been inferior to the South for years. This is an opportunity to rectify that. My point is that geography is not of importance in these alignments anymore. East & West? Doesn't really matter what nomenclature you give it....it's the balance of power that is important IMO.

 

[rwill25]

^^^^^^

Anything that doesn't allow mediocre teams make it to the Big-12 championship game. I still remember a 4 or 5 loss Colorado team getting hammered 70-3 by Texas.

 

[Hot Mega]

^^^^^^

Anything that doesn't allow mediocre teams make it to the Big-12 championship game. I still remember a 4 or 5 loss Colorado team getting hammered 70-3 by Texas.

Or No. 15 KState beating (then) no. 1 OU 35-7.:o

But in honesty, you've just identified the problem with the conf. champ. game model. It will create inconsistencies as long as there is a polling system too.

In order to get a system that will work more correctly, you'd have to do away with the polling system in favor of strict win/loss conference performance (like the pros)...OR get rid of the conf. champ games in favor of a strict poll system.

We know which way it's going though.

 

[titsrock]

... I like including Air Force in it.

You're being serious? I stopped reading when I came to that. All of the service academies don't belong at the D1 level. They should get booted down a rung.

I think the Pac12 should've invited the Okie schools and SDSU and UNLV.



My pix

North Carolina at Georgia Tech
Western Michigan at Illinois
USC at Arizona St.
San Diego St. at Michigan
Florida St. at Clemson
Rice at Baylor
LSU at West Virginia
Florida at Kentucky
Arkansas at Alabama
Virginia Tech at Marshall
Vanderbilt at South Carolina
Oregon at Arizona
Nebraska at Wyoming
Oklahoma St. at Texas A&M
South Dakota at Wisconsin
Tulsa at Boise St.

 

[rwill25]

Or No. 15 KState beating (then) no. 1 OU 35-7.:o

But in honesty, you've just identified the problem with the conf. champ. game model. It will create inconsistencies as long as there is a polling system too.

In order to get a system that will work more correctly, you'd have to do away with the polling system in favor of strict win/loss conference performance (like the pros)...OR get rid of the conf. champ games in favor of a strict poll system.

We know which way it's going though.

And how many Big 12 titles have the Sooners won? I kinda lost count.

Notice how I never take shots at UM. I guess it's because they're not relevant enough.

 

[Hot Mega]

And how many Big 12 titles have the Sooners won? I kinda lost count.

Allot (I think:o).

Notice how I never take shots at UM. I guess it's because they're not relevant enough.

re: Relevant, speaking of 'allot' UM becomes relevant every time someone wants to know which program has won the most games in college football..ever.

You never take shots at UM? In light of your dig in the above, care to revise from 'never' to 'now'?:dunno:

I wasn't taking a shot at OU as much as I was supporting your claim..OU was just another example.

But I did add more content to my previous post about the system. Care to comment or are you content?

 

[rwill25]

re: Relevant, speaking of 'allot' UM becomes relevant every time someone wants to know which program has won the most games in college football..ever.

You never take shots at UM? In light of your dig in the above, care to revise from 'never' to 'now'?:dunno:

I wasn't taking a shot at OU as much as I was supporting your claim..OU was just another example.

But I did add more content to my previous post about the system. Care to comment or are you content?

You say you're not taking a shot, yet, you point out one of the few games the Big 12 north has won. The south dominated the north in title games! So, what point were you trying to make?

And I don't see what the polls have to do with the conference title games(except in 2009 when it was used as a tie breaker).

 

[Hot Mega]

You say you're not taking a shot, yet, you point out one of the few games the Big 12 north has won. The south dominated the north in title games! So, what point were you trying to make?

Don't take it personal rwill...it's history man. The point I made was the same one you were (with the added demonstration of how the poll system interfers)...the fault with these conf champ games. OU's blowout loss was just another one in the wacky history of some of these championship game flubs.

see below...(I know you rwill but I just like to sound all official about it..)

And I don't see what the polls have to do with the conference title games(except in 2009 when it was used as a tie breaker).

Here is what the problem is; Who plays who in a conf. championship wouldn't matter if there were no poll system which also influenced the landscape of who plays whom. Without the poll system..you'd have a system strictly like playoff ball in any given league..Follow?

The problem with the conf. champ system is it portends to disrupt the poll match ups as it has no mechanism for ensuring the highest ranked (theoretically best) 2 teams meet for the title in a given conference.

The problem with the poll system (in the context of the conf. champ. scenarios) is the polls have a specific mission to match up the top 2 ranked teams in the country.

Ergo, you will occasionally have a fiasco like we saw the year Nebraska was blown away by Colorado in their conf. champ game but still ended up in the Nat. Champ. game by way of polling points. Then got blown up again.

That should have never happened.