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you see, there is something that should be realized by everyone here. i did nt say i ***** anyone. i did not say i want to **** anyone. i did not say i want to talk about **** fantasies for the purposes of being turned on. all i have done is pose a rather difficult question in search of some...

prove one.

of course it helps my cause. how doesn't it? the fact you have a 12 year old ******** is evidence you probably can't think rationally about such a topic. maybe only the childless are free enough to think outside the box.

you're just being a pussy. people throw freedom of speech out the window like a used condom. we are all guests? :1orglaugh give me a break. this is a fucking message board on the internet dedicated to jerking off. such sacred ground i must be treading on.

wouldn't you be happier not participating in my threads? you and chef chi should start an anti-milton thread or something. or how about a whole website with your own forum to talk about how dumb i am?

:1orglaugh you people make me laugh. you are so unable to think for yourselves and consider the contradictions that exist in society so you hide behind macho language to make yourself look morally superior. let me see how smart you are. what is a "***"? what the law says? then why are there...

whatever. there is an epistemological point i'm trying to make but nobody seems to care. i'm willing to listen to proofs of ****, but it doesn't mean i'm going to agree. all i'm asking is for the evidence to be presented and to allow me the right to fairly assess what someone is saying.

there is a problem with all four things you said. first, you say "usually gets wet." this obviously means not always. second, what if you get wet while being ***** in a non-role playing scenario? third, what if it doesn't turn you on but you want to do it anyway for the pure freedom of it...

maybe not old enough to consent by legal age, but possibly they did consent. it is a tricky question but i don't think the law should have some ultimate final say since it is arbitrary where you set the age of consent.

:1orglaugh i can always count on you for brilliant commentary.

:1orglaugh yeah, sure. thanks for clearing that up.:rolleyes:

no, but you never know when a bullet proof **** defense could come in handy.

exactly. everybody join in and give an example.:nanner:

role playing a **** scene through consent.

but consider this grasshopper. even with all the above stated evidence, how do you know the "**** victim" didn't consent?

O.k., let me try again. If someone says they are *****, how do you prove it?

:1orglaugh what's the matter? did i stutter?

I think it is impossible. What say you?

i don't know. maybe if all 6.5 billion of us were magically whisked away to heaven and returned after getting a lap dance from the virgin mary. could be an ***** hoax, but if you rule that out then it would be "god" in some sense of the word, but maybe not The Supreme Being God. makes your head...

trick of the devil.

try reading the thread.

not currently, but maybe one day. but we can never prove it doesn't exist, ever. that's the point. one you could at least potentially prove, the other it is impossible to prove.

Maybe the proof got lost somehow and we need to just find it like in will e worm's "dinosaurs still exist" example. Or maybe the devil is playing a trick on us like with the famous christian example of dinosaur fossils being a trick of the devil. The possibilities are endless when you are an...

obviously you don't understand what i wrote.

I sort of agree, but i think it depends on what we are talking about. If certain end of the world scenarios as portrayed in the book of Revelations started to happen, that would presumably mean there is a god. I mean, who knows for sure though. It could be a hoax being played on us by aliens. Or...

what about when people don't help out? it is better to sit around as god and watch the innocent suffer? and what about in previous times when there wasn't as much wealth and famines occured? what's your brilliant answer for why god doesn't intervene then? because they were worshipping idols? so...

:1orglaugh so the dinosaurs still exist, right? And so does every other extinct species, including neanderthals who are doing geico commercials. Dude, you are insane in the membrane.

Will E Worm: If god should not intervene, why should anyone intervene to help someone? Why does god get a free pass from intervening but no one else does. If my ***** is starving and i neglect i would be considered cruel and irresponsible. If god neglects it by creating conditions where a famine...

i think it is probably impossible to prove god doesn't exist. think about the scenario of a multiverse. if we could prove there is another universe that has different laws of physics which in some way spawned our universe, believers would just say god created the other universe. if you say that...

the problem with this is it seems to assume free will is more important then non-suffering. but this is problematic for it assumes no free will could exist simultaneously with no suffering. but free will in many things could exist simultaneously with no suffering. anyone who says you would have...

granted, risking one's life for others may be rare, but putting others in front of themselves in non-life risking scenarios could become more common if people's moral behavior improved. For example, if you have way more then you need, and someone in another part of the world has no where near...

O.k., i understand they are not necessarily your beliefs, but i am going to respond anyway since they indeed could be someone's beliefs. I think god's will is fathomable if you assume god is evil or indifferent. It makes perfect sense to say god has no will to stop Aids because indeed Aids does...

Here's another interesting question. How would god ever truly know it is god? What if god doubted it was really god and started to think that god was just having an elaborate trick played on it to make it think it really was god? If you just say, "well, god would know because he knows...

more evidence god is evil.

Here's a new question to ponder. If there is so much suffering in this world, and you believe heaven has no suffering, why don't you **** yourself so your soul can be magically transported to heaven? If you say suicide is a sin, well so is ******, but aren't ********* forgiven and allowed to get...

You're not really saying anything of importance. So I'm glad i'm not starving instead of starving. This does nothing to address what has been said in this thread.

"...every little thing." Yeah. Sure. Like all the things i've mentioned in this thread, like starving ********, Aids, hurricanes, etc. are "little" things. What would classify as big then? An asteroid destroying millions of species? But i guess you would blindly have faith that god would stop...

If there is a God, it is immoral whether or not there is "redeemng purpose." When you start from the principle that suffering is worse then not suffering, God is proven for a fact to be immoral. Your talk about studying subjects and acquiring certain careers and levels of income doesn't really...

that's a good point about the free will thing you mentioned. kind of contradicts what people usually say but i agree with your train of thought on that. I think there may be god/gods. i don't think it's fair to say it/they don't exist. Yes, i do find religion depressing given the horrible...

If i help someone who needs help, and God could help that person and doesn't, then I am better then God.

dystheism would explain why the world is the way it is with so much suffering, but would also be evidence for not worshipping such a god/gods. Deism doesn't really get to the same point because if it is assumed god has a plan, and doesn't intervene, then i'd say this plan is immoral given the...

So it is better to suffer then not suffer. I guess all i can hope to do is get a few of you to admit your masochism and then hope that others will see that masochism is irrational. Not sure if i could do anything beyond that if you are so strident in your pro-masochist ideology.

:1orglaugh that's a good one.

yes, horrible things happen to the most faithful, horrible things also happen to ******** and ******* and the retarded and the mentally ill and etc. who are not capable of faith. Also, wouldn't it be better to just create a condition of no suffering even for those who supposedly turn their back...

"why would or should anybody expect God to solve all of their or even the world's problems for them?" Answer: Because it is better to not suffer, whereas the current state of things involves an enormous amount of suffering. You can have free will but not the freedom to harm others. I can be...

understood. but if i did the same things and used the same logic, i'd be called a psychopath. if i sent a hurricane to florida and it ****** 1,000 people, and if i claimed "Milton's will be done" then i would appropriately be considered cruel and subsequently imprisoned and/or executed. What...

yeah, that's pretty fucked up.

an incubus had its way with me last night. i'm a bit distraught.

Let's suppose there is a God. The point is, with the enormous amount of horrible things that happen in the world, why would anyone care whether there is a God? I mean, is God powerful enough to create a universe but not powerful or smart enough to make it so there are not a huge number of...

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