Why the US does not have universal health care

[Luxman]

The "Health" industry including insurance companies, big ass pharma, private hospitals, would lose billions under a Universal Health Care or Single Payer health system.
The rich don't want it because they would pay more and have the same health care as everyone else. Under the previous & current systems, the rich pay less and get way better health care services than the poor or middle-class.

Greed.

https://theconversation.com/why-the...alth-care-while-many-other-countries-do-77591

 

[Jack Davenport]

Here's a reason why:
Unlike European countries that like to boast about offering healthcare, we can't afford to pick up the tab for everyone because we actually have to pay for our national defense. We don't have any one to cover our asses unlike the freeloaders like France and Germany who get to be deadbeats and not contribute their fair share to defense.

So they can splurge on social programs knowing damn well we will come to their rescue

#Fuck Europe

#FuckTheLeft.

 

[bobjustbob]

Free healthcare in Europe is a misnomer. It gets paid for by the enormous taxes on the everyday citizens.

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

Free healthcare in Europe is a misnomer. It gets paid for by the enormous taxes on the everyday citizens.

Because through decades of propaganda and greed the powers that be have convinced the sheep to be perpetually afraid. This has allowed them to waste trillions of dollars on 'defence' instead of putting the tax dollars of the people to improving the fate of the people.
It is a national embarrassment that the bleating millions allow this to occur.
But by all means live in fear.

 

[sean miguel]

Because through decades of propaganda and greed the powers that be have convinced the sheep to be perpetually afraid. This has allowed them to waste trillions of dollars on 'defence' instead of putting the tax dollars of the people to improving the fate of the people.
It is a national embarrassment that the bleating millions allow this to occur.
But by all means live in fear.

This was brought up in another thread, but you know what the U.S. Federal Government spends on defense vs. entitlements, right? It's not even close.

Universal Healthcare is the ideal, then why do Canadians come to the U.S. for medical treatment or procedures? Because do as I say, not as I do, and some ******* are more equal than others.

 

[mongo18]

why do Canadians come to the U.S. for medical treatment or procedures?

Load of ****.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/21/3/19.full.html

http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-03-2012/myths-canada-health-care.html

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/myths-about-canada-us-health-care-debunked-2012-08-09

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ates-for-medical-care/?utm_term=.aceb045d6cfc


Fucking idiot.

 

[Johan]

The "Health" industry including insurance companies, big ass pharma, private hospitals, would lose billions under a Universal Health Care or Single Payer health system.
The rich don't want it because they would pay more and have the same health care as everyone else. Under the previous & current systems, the rich pay less and get way better health care services than the poor or middle-class.

Greed.

https://theconversation.com/why-the...alth-care-while-many-other-countries-do-77591

That. And a a fucked up political system in which politicians serve their donors more than their constituents.

 

[sean miguel]

You should be ******.

All you do is storm into threads and hurl insults unprovoked.

It's not once in a while, but every time.

I suggested he **** himself, but that was just a suggestion.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Load of ****.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/21/3/19.full.html

http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-03-2012/myths-canada-health-care.html

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/myths-about-canada-us-health-care-debunked-2012-08-09

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ates-for-medical-care/?utm_term=.aceb045d6cfc


Fucking idiot.

You should be ******.

All you do is storm into threads and hurl insults unprovoked.

It's not once in a while, but every time.

 

[sean miguel]

Load of ****.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/21/3/19.full.html

http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-03-2012/myths-canada-health-care.html

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/myths-about-canada-us-health-care-debunked-2012-08-09

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ates-for-medical-care/?utm_term=.aceb045d6cfc


Fucking idiot.

Canadians seek treatment abroad

The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.


In citing those numbers in its 2015 report, "Leaving Canada for Medical Care," the organization said difficulties in obtaining timely medical care at home is, increasingly, leading Canadians to seek it abroad. "It is possible [they] may have left the country to avoid some of the adverse medical consequences of waiting for care, such as worsening of their condition, poorer outcomes following treatment, disability, or death," the report says. "Some may leave simply to avoid delay and to make a quicker return to normal life."

Canadians could expect to wait 9.8 weeks for medically necessary treatment after seeing a specialist in 2014, the researchers found, three weeks more than the time physicians considered to be clinically "reasonable."

The public health care system sends some Canadians abroad for treatment partly because of a lack of available local resources, the report says.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care


**** yourself. Or don't. Or get eaten by a shark. I don't care m8.

 

[bobjustbob]

Because through decades of propaganda and greed the powers that be have convinced the sheep to be perpetually afraid. This has allowed them to waste trillions of dollars on 'defence' instead of putting the tax dollars of the people to improving the fate of the people.
It is a national embarrassment that the bleating millions allow this to occur.
But by all means live in fear.

Great Idea. Let's start the defense cuts with pulling out of NATO.

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

Great Idea. Let's start the defense cuts with pulling out of NATO.

**** yeah!!

 

[bodie54]

Great Idea. Let's start the defense cuts with pulling out of NATO.

That's not going to get us very far.

Turmp has claimed that we spend “billions and billions” on NATO annually, but the Defense Department documents our annual direct contribution at under $500 million.

Under 500 million, out of a total defense budget of over 600 billion.

What can be labeled indirect spending is also a factor, but seems hard to quantify in relation to NATO because it so broadly serves our own interests internationally. How many of the other 27 member states project their military might across the globe the way we do?

And why would we leave NATO to begin with? I just can't comprehend the thinking behind this :dunno:

Trump continues to approach these NATO contributions as if they're a binding contract, when in fact they're a good faith goal with 7 years left until the proposed compliance date.

 

[bobjustbob]

It's a start. And besides, those other countries love criticizing our influence and military might. Next we can move the U.N. to another country and let them pick up the tab for hosting it. Generate more tax money with that property too. Easily another few billion into the cookie jar.

 

[Justaman]

And why would we leave NATO to begin with? I just can't comprehend the thinking behind this :dunno:

This. I support our president and want him to succeed. Anyone who wishes otherwise is not a patriot in my book. However, any thought to to abrogate our commitment to our NATO allies is just plain dumb. On this subject, I am much more aligned with guys like McCain and Graham than I am with president Trump or Steve Bannon. Why do you think Putin and his cronies would love to see NATO fall apart? If NATO were disbanded, we lose our ABM sites in eastern Europe and Turkey immediately. With no American presence to counter Russian expansion, Putin would have a green light to snap up the Baltic states and Moldova without any hesitation. Who knows, he might even attempt to extend the Russian sphere of influence back to Warsaw Pact proportions in eastern Europe. There certainly would be nothing to stop him if he so desired.

The reason Putin is so fearful of NATO is because, in a conventional war (God forbid), he is hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned. However, in a nuclear conflagration, the Russian strategic deployment capability is actually a little bit greater than that of the USA. That said, his ultimate goal is to strike a MAD counterbalance once again ala the Cold War. As long as NATO conventional superiority is in place and our ABM sites are operational, the balance of power swings seriously toward the West. Conceivably, in his mind at least, the USA could possibly shoot down any European ICBMS launched from the Sovie....(er, Russia rather. Sorry Freudian slip) and successfully deploy a massive counterstrike in a scenario that, on paper at least, makes a nuclear war winnable. Without the MAD concept being a valid one, Russia is extremely vulnerable. Getting rid of NATO solves that problem for him. So, unless you are a Russian sympathizer for some reason, NATO must remain strong and united in order to provide a strategic advantage for the West. The only way that happens is with the US leading the way.

 

[sean miguel]

It would be disastrous were NATO to disband but I don't think that was ever Trump's intention when he called it "obsolete" and suggested the U.S. could withdraw. The Art of the Deal.

After all, didn't Obama ask the same of NATO members who weren't paying their share, except he asked nicely? And what did that get? A good faith commit as in a we'll see years from now?

The difference between an alpha and a beta as the leader of the free world, ladies and cucks.

 

[mongo18]

After all, didn't Obama ask the same of NATO members who weren't paying their share, except he asked nicely? And what did that get? A good faith commit as in a we'll see years from now?

The 2% agreement was a decade long goal entered into in 2014, and since then, the 23 out of 28 countries who are not paying 2% have all made progress towards reaching their goal. So they're doing exactly what they said they would do, and your dear leader is berating them for popularity points from simpletons like yourself.

The difference between having an intelligent, competent president and a petulant ***** with no idea what he's doing.

 

[rivasky]

Free healthcare in Europe is a misnomer. It gets paid for by the enormous taxes on the everyday citizens.

You don't understand the system. Health care isn't funded by taxes.

 

[Rey C.]

You don't understand the system. Health care isn't funded by taxes.

I'm not here to troll this thread or bait you. It's unfortunate that these threads always turn into silly name calling contests these days, so you can't actually have any sort of discussion or learn about another person's point of view. But anyway, I *thought* that the European system has a component that's funded through taxation, as well as a component (sort of like our supplemental polices) that's privately or employer funded. :dunno:

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

I'm not here to troll this thread or bait you. It's unfortunate that these threads always turn into silly name calling contests these days, so you can't actually have any sort of discussion or learn about another person's point of view. But anyway, I *thought* that the European system has a component that's funded through taxation, as well as a component (sort of like our supplemental polices) that's privately or employer funded. :dunno:

Here here so many trolls doing nothing but internet bully????

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This was brought up in another thread, but you know what the U.S. Federal Government spends on defense vs. entitlements, right? It's not even close.

Universal Healthcare is the ideal, then why do Canadians come to the U.S. for medical treatment or procedures? Because do as I say, not as I do, and some ******* are more equal than others.

Entitlements???
It comes down to what the actual definition of an entitlement is.
From my point of view the military budget is by far the largest expenditure of our tax dollars every year there isn't anything else even close.