worst genocide/holocaust ever? (explain your answer)

worst genocide/holocaust ever? (explain your answer)

  • the christians persecution after the death of christ

    Votes: 2 6.3%
  • the death of millions of american natives/indegenous by the spaniards in the discover of America

    Votes: 7 21.9%
  • the jewish holocaust, by the nazis

    Votes: 12 37.5%
  • other (please post and explain why)

    Votes: 11 34.4%

  • Total voters
    32

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
The innocent Iraqi women and children who are killed in the name of money! As well as the thousands of American lives lost for the same cause.
 

plucap

Banned
The innocent Iraqi women and children who are killed in the name of money! As well as the thousands of American lives lost for the same cause.
You don't think previous genocides has been about power/wealth too? Ideology is usually just a cover for profane matters.

Anyway I think this poll is a bit strange. Am I supposed to value different ethnic groups? Or just go by the numbers?
Because honestly I think they're all pretty horrible and I don't know how to choose between them. Still though, the Pol Pot regime always gives me the creeps.
 

Dixie Dash

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Official Checked Star Member
What we did to the Native Americans bothers me a lot. Today we recognize how we treated African Americans so wrong back in the day. But you don't hear as much about the Native Americans. Reading about the Trail of Tears really bothered me because I have Cherokee in my family. We pretty much drove them out and killed them along the way. I think people need to stop with racist crap between white and black only and see the whole picture. Many people in the past have been hurt or killed due to the inability of some to accept diversity. There was no reason for any of that crap to happen. I believe it won't happen again because we are past those times. All of those events you listed are horrible and I'm glad we have come a long way since then. There is still room for improvement.
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
What we did to the Native Americans bothers me a lot. Today we recognize how we treated African Americans so wrong back in the day. But you don't hear as much about the Native Americans. Reading about the Trail of Tears really bothered me because I have Cherokee in my family. We pretty much drove them out and killed them along the way. I think people need to stop with racist crap between white and black only and see the whole picture. Many people in the past have been hurt or killed due to the inability of some to accept diversity. There was no reason for any of that crap to happen. I believe it won't happen again because we are past those times. All of those events you listed are horrible and I'm glad we have come a long way since then. There is still room for improvement.

Excellent point! :hatsoff:

I didn't even think of that. Our entire country is build upon the blood of those we stole it from!

Land of the free home of the brave...my ass! More like Land of the thieves, and former home of the braves!
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
We are?
Then how come just about everywhere I go on the internet, including this site, I see proponents of nuking the middle east?

Because...think of all the pretty glass!!!
 

plucap

Banned
We are?
Then how come at just about every forum I visit on the internet, including this site, I see proponents of nuking the middle east?
Very good point. People think they're not as battle hungry nowadays as they used to be, when in fact there's a large portion of people who constantly talks about bombing this bombing that like it's nothing.

Hopefully though, the modern societies won't have to see any more genocides on our ground. And even further hopefully it can be stopped everywhere else too. Like Burma for example.
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
Fortunately I don't take you seriously on that, Legz. But I do wonder what the kick is in beng a troll.

I'm not a troll...I don't think...I just like to post random shit! I still say fuck Iraq and am dead serious about that!
 
Well Legz you yourself have admitted to trolling here....i.e. making outrageous statements just to provoke a response....such as "think of all the pretty glass". I guess you must enjoy doing that. I just don't understand why :dunno:

When you say you're dead serious about "fuck Iraq", how do you mean that? Do you mean we should leave? Do you mean we should nuke it? Do you mean both? Or something else? What is your actual position?
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
I just like to piss people off sometimes. The responses to some of my posts are quite funny!

My "official" position on Iraq is just leave! Let them fend for themselves!
 
I say Stalin killing his own countrymen he killed so many people in his own country, the fact that it was his own country is what makes it extra bad.

What you said is actually what genocide is, it's not "extra bad" but simply what the word means.

*Quote - "Genocide is generally considered one of the worst moral crimes a government (meaning any ruling authority, including that of a guerrilla group, a quasi state, a Soviet, a terrorist organization, or an occupation authority) can commit against its citizens or those it controls."

It was of course Hitler and his attempt to murder all Jews that broadened the words meaning to include outside groups.

*Quote - "The major reason for this is what the world learned about the Holocaust, the systematic attempt of German authorities during World War II to kill all and every Jew no matter where found-to destroy Jews as a group. This murder of between 5 to 6 million Jews became the paradigm case of genocide and underlies the word's origin."

If you wish to consider the worst as the highest amount then:

*Quote - " Taking both social definitions into account, governments have murdered probably around 174 million people during the 20th Century. Most of this killing, perhaps around 110 million people, is due to communist governments, especially the USSR under Lenin and Stalin and their successors (62 million murdered), and China under Mao Tse-tung (35 million). Some other totalitarian or authoritarian governments are also largely responsible for this toll, particularly Hitler's Germany (21 million murdered) and Chiang Kai-chek's Nationalist government of China (about 10 million). Other governments that have murdered lesser millions include Khmer Rouge Cambodia, Japan, North Korea, Mexico, Pakistan, Poland, Russia, Turkey, Vietnam, and Tito's Yugoslavia."


*Quotes taken from
Chalk, F., and K. Jonassohn. The History and Sociology of Genocide: Analysis and Case Studies, New Haven 1990.
 
"Taking both social definitions into account, governments have murdered probably around 174 million people during the 20th Century. Most of this killing, perhaps around 110 million people, is due to communist governments, especially the USSR under Lenin and Stalin and their successors (62 million murdered), and China under Mao Tse-tung (35 million). Some other totalitarian or authoritarian governments are also largely responsible for this toll, particularly Hitler's Germany (21 million murdered) and Chiang Kai-chek's Nationalist government of China (about 10 million). Other governments that have murdered lesser millions include Khmer Rouge Cambodia, Japan, North Korea, Mexico, Pakistan, Poland, Russia, Turkey, Vietnam, and Tito's Yugoslavia."

And yet we have one freeones poster who insists no nation has more "blood on it's hands" than the United States :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
And yet we have one freeones poster who insists no nation has more "blood on it's hands" than the United States :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

who thinks that?
 
Algiers anyone?

I don't know if it's the worst, but it is probably the most overlooked genocide in the 20th century.
 

dick van cock

Closed Account
It's not about the numbers. The singularity of the Shoah lies in its industrial efficiency.

Never before and never since has there been a comparable management behind the intent of extinguishing an entire ethnic group.

Comparing the holocaust to Communist crimes is pointless since Stalin's and Mao's victims were mainly collateral damage. (famines brought about by poilitical mismanagement).

How anyone can call the misguided US war in Iraq a genocide is beyond me... :rolleyes:
 
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