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I just wanted to share this article involving interviews with college kids at Cairo University:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1874621,00.html

Many cited the new President's Muslim and African roots as reasons for optimism about a change in the way Washington deals with the world, while others said they had closely followed Obama's first steps in office and praised his moves to close Guantanamo prison, plans to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq and efforts to encourage Israel to ease the blockade against the Palestinians of Gaza.
 

georges

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I was right when I was claiming that OBAMA wasn't a chritsian but a wahibi muslim. Were electors of Obama so naive to think that he was a real christian????
 

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I was right when I was claiming that OBAMA wasn't a chritsian but a wahibi muslim. Were electors of Obama so naive to think that he was a real christian????
The Obama electors were conditioned to hate christians more than they were to detest wahabbists, IMO.
Anything opposite of George Bush, they were instructed to admire. (media pressure)
I can't say that they're entirely wrong, but geesh ! :rolleyes:

Obama's first televised interview goes to El Arabiya, go figure (?)

I like the way in which he belittles America and appeases the Arab world.
see for yourself
 
I was right when I was claiming that OBAMA wasn't a chritsian but a wahibi muslim. Were electors of Obama so naive to think that he was a real christian????

I'm not saying he is, but if he was so what? Isnt there a rule in the US that the church and the state have to be two seperate things?

Are you actually saying that Obama is going to pass legislation stating that the US is now under sharia law?

I know over the last 8 year the Bush administrations has completely stompped all over that rule. Is it because Bush is a christian that he's allowed to get away with allowing his faith to dictate his actions. Shouldnt your main concern be that any judgment based upon religion when dealing with the running of a nation be totally disregarded as incorrect practice.

No matter what religion this president is shouldnt matter, what should matter is if he allows it to affect his judgments.
 
i thing it was time to do it cause its stupid to contiue with a fight against comunists, if they like it that way in their countries let them be!
 

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i thing it was time to do it cause its stupid to contiue with a fight against comunists, if they like it that way in their countries let them be!
Oh really? Because communism was so great and people who lived under communism had it so much better than people who lived under a capitalist regime?? See how many millions of dead communism made. If you are so happy with communists, then why don't you live in Cuba?
 

georges

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I'm not saying he is, but if he was so what? Isnt there a rule in the US that the church and the state have to be two seperate things?

Are you actually saying that Obama is going to pass legislation stating that the US is now under sharia law?

I know over the last 8 year the Bush administrations has completely stompped all over that rule. Is it because Bush is a christian that he's allowed to get away with allowing his faith to dictate his actions. Shouldnt your main concern be that any judgment based upon religion when dealing with the running of a nation be totally disregarded as incorrect practice.

No matter what religion this president is shouldnt matter, what should matter is if he allows it to affect his judgments.
Fact is that the dominant religions that every president had before Obama gets elected were either christian (generally baptist christians) or protestants. Wahabism is one of the most radical of the islam, under his gentle appearance, Obama is in fact committed to make Islam a powerful religion in the USA. Why do you think that he was a friend of Rachid Khalidi (a well known PLO financer and campaigner) as well as Louis Farrakhan's friend (leader of the black nation of Islam) ? People with a religious faith like his shouldn't have been authorized to be elected, but once the deed is done, it is done and this thanks to the blind naivenety of brainwashed voters who believed in the liberal media.
You can criticize Bush and right wingers how you want, but I would rather have a president who is strongly proud of his country and a patriot than someone who is not really representative of his country, somewhat anti american and who is only willing to kiss the Arab nation leaders asses.
Also another thing, you haven't said is that no state in Europe had ever had a political leader with a muslim faith. Perhaps is it enough of an indicator of how it is risky to have a political leader with a muslim faith???
Radical islam is dangerous for civil liberties and democracies.
Those are just my :2 cents: that come straight out of the box.
p.s: Note to others. Please don't jump on me because I was merely expressing my honest views to Blueballs about Obama.
 
Fact is that the dominant religions that every president had before Obama gets elected were either christian (generally baptist christians) or protestants.

Well, every president before Obama has been a white male's so it would be obvious that they would be.

Wahabism is one of the most radical of the islam, under his gentle appearance, Obama is in fact committed to make Islam a powerful religion in the USA. Why do you think that he was a friend of Rachid Khalidi (a well known PLO financer and campaigner) as well as Louis Farrakhan's friend (leader of the black nation of Islam) ? .

I'm sure Wahabism is a dangerous off-shoot of Islam, but how do you know Obama is a member of this religion? Do you have any solid proof that he is? If you do can you post it here please I would like to read it. Personally I think he is not, I dont even think he is religious, but you can be president without being a follower of one church or another in the US :dunno:


Louis Farrakhan is a high ranking member of the black community, I wouldnt surprised if Obama was campaigning for his support (If he was). Just like any white candidate would try to enlist the help of a church leader even though (lets say) they supported the murder of abortion doctors. Thats just the way it goes. I dont know enough about Rachid Khalidi so I'll have to skip him.

People with a religious faith like his shouldn't have been authorized to be elected, but once the deed is done, it is done and this thanks to the blind naivenety of brainwashed voters who believed in the liberal media.

Like I said in my first post religious belief shouldnt be a factor at all in elections. That should not be the reason someone votes or does not vote for a candidate. Policy should be the main reason, but nowadays thats not important because its to complicated for people to understand or to complex for the news orginisations to keep viewers interested. So they decide to look at the candidated religion or ethni background or race as the "entertainment" for the election :dunno:

You can criticize Bush and right wingers how you want, but I would rather have a president who is strongly proud of his country and a patriot than someone who is not really representative of his country, somewhat anti american and who is only willing to kiss the Arab nation leaders asses.

I think Obama is patriotic, thats what comes across to me in his speeches, being patriotic is all well and good but there is a point where that patriotism becomes separatism, which was evident in the 8 years of the Bush administration an us against them atitude that gets nothing done on a political level only 2 failing wars and the loss of most of your international alliances.

Starting these wars has accomplished nothing except thousands of US soldiers dead and millions of Iraqi and Afghans dead. Economic downturn and the radicalisatio of thousands more moderate muslims. Dont you think some diplomacy with these nations the "axis of evil" is worth a try. Conversing without threats of military action is the only way anything ever gets sorted out.

Also another thing, you haven't said is that no state in Europe had ever had a political leader with a muslim faith. Perhaps is it enough of an indicator of how it is risky to have a political leader with a muslim faith???
Radical islam is dangerous for civil liberties and democracies.
Those are just my :2 cents: that come straight out of the box.

Maybe no Muslim politician has become high enough in their chosen political party to run for office. Or it might be the fact that even though we Europeans feel were so forward thinking, were actually not and are in fact behind the US in that sense.

Radical Islam is dangerous, just like radicalism of any other religion. So why keep it? People still "need" to believe, I dont know why :dunno:
 
I was right when I was claiming that OBAMA wasn't a chritsian but a wahibi muslim. Were electors of Obama so naive to think that he was a real christian????

Georges excuse me but what in the world are you talking about?

The article talks about him having muslim "roots" (primarily his biological father, who did not raise him, and who actually wound up an atheist), but everybody already KNOWS about that.

His association with Farrakhan comes from both of them being advocates for similar goals in the BLACK community, i.e.: 1) increased voter registration, 2) increased adoption, 3) encourging black fathers to take greater responsibility for their children. That crossover has nothing to do with Islam.

For the millionth time: OBAMA - IS - NOT- A - MUSLIM
 
Just like linking 9/11 to Iraq ...

Guantanamo wouldn't be seen as an act of reconciliation, but an admission that the U.S. is wrong on it's whole outlook on Muslims
Just like Americans who link 9/11 to Iraq, people who link America's military actions to religion are utterly misguided.

The United States has a very, very significant Muslim population, greater than all Jewish minorities combined. We all live here in peace and understanding. People who honestly make racial and religious comments about the US don't know the first thing about the US, and I highly recommend they visit -- with the TV turned off the entire time I might add.

Gitmo has nothing to do with religion. How anyone would related the two sounds like propaganda they've listened to. Given that the US is one of the very few nations with a free media, it doesn't surprise me if various media outlets say such. Understand the term "Christian Extremists" is also used by the US and its state governments as well, such as in the killings of abortion doctors (even by the right-wing who very much does prosecute them), and even sometimes protests.

If religion became foreign policy in the US, you'd find any leader removed from power very, very quickly. I'm sorry, the rhetoric only goes so far. The US was founded, and repeatedly clarified to be founded by the very founders, to not be on any religion, and not just the various Christian sects. That was repeatedly and explicitly emphasized early on. About the only religious basis in the US is the US Court System based on Common Law that is largely British and founded on largely Judo-Christian Beliefs (including the Ten Commandments, which may be shown as long as it's shown with other, equally important and legal foundations of our system, and not in a religious pretext like some try to use it in).

I honestly wish people would read the actual writings of early American leaders, on alcohol and drugs, on capitalism and community, on firearms and freedom and on religion and state. We've had representatives sworn in on the Qur'an in the past, and we will again. I could care less if Obama is a Muslim, and most everyone involved with the operations of the US and state governments could care less too.

Nelson Mandella quickly discredited himself and his colleagues distanced himself when he accused W. of not listening to Kofi Anon because he was black. Hugo Chavez, among several others, only made himself more of an ignorant fool when he said the US calls the Executive Building the White House for racial reasons (TR named it, it was a term of commonality, not royalty or reservation, and he was criticized then -- just like they lambasted Washington for wanting to be called "Mr. President").

We all have our experience and we all have our resulting viewpoints. Unfortunately too many people make it without visiting a great portion of the US. A lot of my immigrant colleagues were amazed that they had nothing to fear when they came to the heart of the US mid-west, despite what they heard prior. It's sad and pathetic.

Although even American leaders aren't immune from making statements, although most were a lapse in judgement and not intentional. The word "crusade" is historical reference in a positive meaning, and that carries forward in the west -- even though its use was the instigator of wars and suffering. When W. used it in his post-9/11 address, I could have smacked him, but he did not mean it in a religious way at all, but in the same meaning as vigilance. Unfortunately it's often used interchangeably by some and it can offend some when used ad hoc, but it hardly has a religious intent here in the US as common speech.

Although that's starting to change post-9/11, and its use is frowned upon.
 
I don't really want to call the Crusades an instigation, as the Muslims started hundred's of years before the first Crusade. They toppled Many, many christian and pagan kingdom's, executed their leaders and historians, destroyed or defaced (hence the term iconoclast) cultural landmarks etc.

The first Crusade carried out in Western Europe was MUSLIM on EUROPEAN in Spain. They were fighting into France when Charles Martel rallied Frankish tribes to stop them at the battle of Tours in 732 AD/CE. During that time and the next few centuries Europe was in disarray and much of the communications with the outside world were lost. It was the news that city after city was falling to the muslims, Jeruselam included, that spurred the Pope and the European nobles to act.


Yes there were excesses, but people with a hidden agenda play on our ignorance to set the narrative.
 
I'm not saying he is, but if he was so what? Isnt there a rule in the US that the church and the state have to be two seperate things?

Are you actually saying that Obama is going to pass legislation stating that the US is now under sharia law?

I know over the last 8 year the Bush administrations has completely stompped all over that rule. Is it because Bush is a christian that he's allowed to get away with allowing his faith to dictate his actions. Shouldnt your main concern be that any judgment based upon religion when dealing with the running of a nation be totally disregarded as incorrect practice.

No matter what religion this president is shouldnt matter, what should matter is if he allows it to affect his judgments.



If that were true (and I don't believe it is, but I don't believe he's a "christian" either) there would be definite reason to be suspicious of him. The United States is a Western nation, the most powerful in fact. We're currently fighting terrorist organizations (and in bloodless war with the nations that are supporting them) in the Muslim world. Even "moderate" muslims or just pan-arabists act against us, even though they aren't religious themselves. We couldn't fully trust a practicing wahabbi muslim to act in the best interests of a Western nation against the spectrum of muslim and arab extremists.
 
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