Will islam Conform To The West, or Vice Versa

What Trident says is pretty much true, the US hasn't had nearly as many issues surrounding the rise of fundamentalism and general integration from within its own boarders as many European nations.

With modern travel it's becoming less of a factor all the time, but still the US has a big advantage of having two huge oceans separating us from the rest of the world and bordering cultures that might conflict (with the exception of Mexico) unlike Europe has. I'm sure that has a large part in it.
 
With modern travel it's becoming less of a factor all the time, but still the US has a big advantage of having two huge oceans separating us from the rest of the world and bordering cultures that might conflict (with the exception of Mexico) unlike Europe has. I'm sure that has a large part in it.

Another reason is that many European countries have had empires in muslim countries (Britain - Pakistan/Bangladesh/Nigeria/Egypt, France - Algeria/Morocco) and this opens the door for inwards often legal immigration. The US has never had an empire in muslim countries but they're building one as we speak ;)
 
I hope you're not including England in that blanket statement?




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Dude your Pakistani population is just barely integrated. That group is a hotbed for AQ activity.
The only redeeming factor is that you have a spot on anti terrorist operation that usually nabs the beardies before they can do much damage.
 
I think everyone will do a lot of talking and then someone accidentally fries a circuit board with their coffee and launches all the weapons on this planet earth.
 
But if they convert us to be more like them then it logically follows that we will get more persistent ourselves and therefore the process should stop about halfway.
Besides, we're already changing their culture, both those who live in the west and those who live in their traditional homelands.

I still don't know bro...I think you might be right, we are changing their culture somewhat, but this whole process is just too unstable.
 
Dude your Pakistani population is just barely integrated. That group is a hotbed for AQ activity.
The only redeeming factor is that you have a spot on anti terrorist operation that usually nabs the beardies before they can do much damage.

You can nab almost anyone plotting anything with current technology and very limited privacy rights.
 

emceeemcee

Banned
How can they steal what is theirs to begin with.


:1orglaugh "The Bible defense" isn't a good one to trot out in a grown-up conversation.



Somebody tell the International Court of Justice and High Contracting Parties of the Geneva Conventions that they've got it all wrong!
 
:1orglaugh "The Bible defense" isn't a good one to trot out in a grown-up conversation.



Somebody tell the International Court of Justice and High Contracting Parties of the Geneva Conventions that they've got it all wrong!




The Jews were there for thousands of years. Go ahead and cry, bring up the ICJ, but Israel exists despite what you and your cabal say.:glugglug:
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Dude your Pakistani population is just barely integrated. That group is a hotbed for AQ activity.
The only redeeming factor is that you have a spot on anti terrorist operation that usually nabs the beardies before they can do much damage.

BS. Ever been here? Are you telling me the (British born) Pakistani girl I used to fuck when I was 16 was AQ? Are you telling me my good friend and colleague (Pakistani born) was AQ? The Pakistani woman whose house I moved into?
Yes we have some nutters, but they're not so badly integrated as you suggest. Some even fight in the British army, serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Vodka, you make blanket statements all the time, especially when it comes to the U. S.
So? I'm right. :tongue:
 
BS. Ever been here? Are you telling me the (British born) Pakistani girl I used to fuck when I was 16 was AQ? Are you telling me my good friend and colleague (Pakistani born) was AQ? The Pakistani woman whose house I moved into?
Yes we have some nutters, but they're not so badly integrated as you suggest. Some even fight in the British army, serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.


So? I'm right. :tongue:





Yeah dude my first visit was in 1969. My last was in '92 with a lot of visits in between.
 
The Jews were there for thousands of years. Go ahead and cry, bring up the ICJ, but Israel exists despite what you and your cabal say.:glugglug:

From what you have posted in the past I'm assuming you live in the U.S.A. Correct me if I'm wrong.

If that's case, from the thinking you have displayed I'm sure you're about to hand your land back over the Native Americans any second now...right? After all before settlers where here and for the most part forcibly took their land from them they were here thousands of years also. If you're not willing to do that and don't think it's fair then your argument doesn't hold too much water now does it?
 
From what you have posted in the past I'm assuming you live in the U.S.A. Correct me if I'm wrong.

If that's case, from the thinking you have displayed I'm sure you're about to hand your land back over the Native Americans any second now...right? After all before settlers where here and for the most part forcibly took their land from them they were here thousands of years also. If you're not willing to do that and don't think it's fair then your argument doesn't hold too much water now does it?




Actually I'll give it back to the dinosaurs and early mammals. They were here long before people.
 
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emceeemcee

Banned
The Jews were there for thousands of years. Go ahead and cry, bring up the ICJ, but Israel exists despite what you and your cabal say.:glugglug:

so if you get up and leave your seat on the bus, come back some years later it gives you the right to

a) forcibly remove the person who is sitting in the seat you vacated
b) throw everybody else off the bus just so you are friends can have the whole thing for yourselves.


It's funny how you think living somewhere for thousands of years grants a people rights yet you have no trouble with Palestinian Arabs, who have lived there for millenia, being turfed off their land by a Jewish family from Brooklyn or Russia.
 
It's funny how you think living somewhere for thousands of years grants a people rights yet you have no trouble with Palestinian Arabs, who have lived there for millenia, being turfed off their land by a Jewish family from Brooklyn or Russia.



1. You cannot deny that the Jews have lived in that region for thousands of years. That's fact.



2. You can thank the Fascists and the Communists for creating Israel. Had they not persecuted Jews, Israel might not exist today. As recent as the 1980s Russian Jews fled the Soviet Union and persecution to find a new life in the only Jewish nation on Earth.
 
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