Why Obama?

[meesterperfect]

^ man you sure bring up skin color alot. Do you hate white people? If not you sure do come acroos that way.

Here are some reasons I think many will vote for Obama.

1) Anti republican sentiment caused in great part by the news media's 5 1/2year attack on anything republican and its depressing analysis and viewpoint about how bad things have been.
Nothing positive, only doom and gloom and its had a very strong effect on peoples attitudes and viewpoints. Obama has used this depressing outlook to his advantage by offering change.

2) The man is a good speaker who is telling the middle class how he will help them financially. Many are buying it.

3) McCain is not very charismatic. Its like American Idol to many.

4) The news media again. Although this man has many questionable associations, from the racist pastor to the admitted guilty and free radical terrorist to anti semite Rashid Khalidi to extreme racist Louis Farrakhan.
Although these connections are strong, the media has not reported or pursued and even buried them.
Instead they have been a major campaigning foce for him.

5) Blind faith/Lack of knowledge. Who really knows this man? A junior senator who's missed more votes than he's made. Who's spent most of his time as a senator only campagning for PREZ. An incredibly widespread sentiment that we need change( valid in many ways) has people focusing on him with an un-warranted belief that he is the man who will bring this change, whatever that is.

6) Race. many are voting for him for racial reasons. The fact that 95%+ blacks will vote for him tells me that its not just about his political views.

These are the main reasons I believe based on my observation, many people like him so much.

 

[AFA]

Maybe there is something shallow about the McCain campaign from the start?

It's also possible those of us observing him from the beginning saw politics as usual 14 months ago when the campaign started and have seen him adjust major parts of that campaign to fit what was always a much more popular and thought out view of Obama's as recently as the summer. It's not in the republican interest to form detailed plans on any of this, as the same special interest groups who supported Bush in two elections are backing McCain now. As was Romney, as was Giuliani the earlier potential chosen, he's their newest figurehead. They will ride on the same high speed train down the same broken tracks.

Personally I think a joke about Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran is a poor start to international relations with Iran or the rest of the watching world. It makes him look like a loose cannon with a lack of respect, although I accept he wasn't serious.

 

[Donkey Boy]

How am I racist? It's the white folks that have been treating blacks like shit. All I'm saying is that a black person should for once be given a power of authority such as president of the USA.

You're racist because you believe someone's superiority of performance in a certain job is based on the color of their skin.

Skin color does not (should not) matter.

I want the best person for the job. Solely, being "black" does not make someone more superior. To say so would mean that you are a "Black Supremacist."

Likewise, the idiots in TN believe (mistakenly) that being "white" makes someone more superior...and what do we refer to them as? "White Supremacists."

 

[darkwarrior3007]

6) Race. many are voting for him for racial reasons. The fact that 95%+ blacks will vote for him tells me that its not just about his political views.

Alright we have to get one thing straight on this one. This is simply not true. The majority of black people are not voting for Obama because he is black, they or rather we are voting for him because he is a Democrat. Black people were already set to vote for Hillary Clinton until she messed up. Personally I was either going to vote for either Ron Paul or John Edwards. Then it was Clinton and then it was Obama. Are there black people voting for him based on race, uh yeah same as some whites aren't voting for him based on race but to say the majority of blacks are voting based on race is absolute BS. If that was the case we would've voted for Al Sharpton.

 

[AFA]

Another very simple thing that made people think that gained popularity for Obama over McCain, again goes back before the last few months.

In this area, people are hit with climbing property taxes, climbing homeowners insurance rates as well as bad mortgages and climbing building costs. You can drive down the street and see 4 houses in a row that have either for sale or for rent signs. Property tax bills for many have climbed from under $1000 a year to about 6x that, and the wastful in control of local government can't seem to take a spending vacation. People are moving to other states where those costs are lower and schools planned here a few years ago will be built but not have the attendance.

People are not working, being laid off as a result, and John McCain felt the economy was sound? He wouldn't say how many houses he owns? Bush also said again and again "some don't get it, the economy is strong", while more and more people daily were facing all of the above? How many times did I say he was doing a Ken Lay Enron speech 2 and 3 years ago? Finally sometime well after Bush said the economy was bad, McCain finally started to say the economy is bad.

People know full well $12B a month is going into a war that never should have been waged that the Viet vet McCain thinks should be won in victory! Is he nuts? He already said the US might be there for 50?, 100? years! Cheney's old company won a multi year, contract without a bid, and made billions as did the defense contractors. Who do you think is pushing hardest for a McCain win next week?

 

[Donkey Boy]

Alright we have to get one thing straight on this one. This is simply not true. The majority of black people are not voting for Obama because he is black, they or rather we are voting for him because he is a Democrat. Black people were already set to vote for Hillary Clinton until she messed up. Personally I was either going to vote for either Ron Paul or John Edwards. Then it was Clinton and then it was Obama. Are there black people voting for him based on race, uh yeah same as some whites aren't voting for him based on race but to say the majority of blacks are voting based on race is absolute BS. If that was the case we would've voted for Al Sharpton.

Then why the disparity indicated here?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_on_el_pr/early_voting

And here:
http://www.militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/081003_ep_2pp.pdf

Peep my post on the skinhead idiot plot where I originally posted these links. http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?p=2624915#post2624915

I am simply blind to the color, age, creed, sex, etc. of the candidate. I want the best person for the job. And I want people to vote for the right reasons. Not the wrong one. (i.e. color, age, creed, sex, etc...)

I agree with you though...there will be whites who will not vote for Obama solely because he is black. It really is sad in this day and age. But even by Obama's own admission, his "race" would increase "black" voter turnout by 30%.

Believing that race is not the sole reason for many peoples votes this election is just plain naive. IMHO.

 

[don_equis]

good for you son. You'll figure out how to live off the system no matter you supports you won't you?

I'd rather pay for you than a corporate exec who needs about 5,000 times more than what you need to live on. :thumbsup:

Hey spare some wealth over here AFA on my open pocket :rofl: and send some pizza my way too (actually the pizza joke was a good one).

:glugglug:

 

[girk1]

Then why the disparity indicated here?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_on_el_pr/early_voting


I am simply blind to the color, age, creed, sex, etc. of the candidate. I want the best person for the job. And I want people to vote for the right reasons. Not the wrong one. (i.e. color, age, creed, sex, etc...)

I agree with you though...there will be whites who will not vote for Obama solely because he is black. It really is sad in this day and age. But even by Obama's own admission, his "race" would increase "black" voter turnout by 30%.

Believing that race is not the sole reason for many peoples votes this election is just plain naive. IMHO.

If someone else says people are only voting for Obama in Nov. because he is Black I will :scream:

Blacks have voted overwhelmingly White Dem since 1964:

'64 90-95% Blacks voted for LBJ
'68 90-95% Blacks voted for Humphrey

'84 91% Mondale
'88 89% Dukakis

2000 90% voted Gore & '04 88% Kerry

Carter & Clinton got roughly 85% of the Black vote in their runs(third party candidates like Perot lowered the %)

Now that Obama is running & will get 90% of the Black vote people say it's about race which is absolutely ridiculous & ignorant. Was it about Race with Gore, Kerry, Mondale,Dukakis,LBJ,Humphreys,etc..?:dunno:
Blacks have simply been repelled by the republican Party since the mid sixties when they once favored the GOP. The GOP decided to pander to the Southern White Supremecist/Segregationist vote in 1968 & absolutely turned
off Blacks. The GOP's Southern Startegy has worked like a charm as they have completely dominated the once Democratic South ever since & has been the key to their National political dominance.


Obama was trying to sell himself to Whites who doubted that he can win a general election,but Black voter turnout is roughly 60% the past two elections & there is no way in hell he will get a 90% turnout. It will improve to 70% or so perhaps ,but no group in this country's history ever turned out 90% of it's demographic to vote.

Put token Black Repubs like Condi Rice/Alan Keyes/Richard Steele on a ticket & Blacks will still vote over 85% Dem. Period.

 

[ChefChiTown]

Blacks have voted overwhelmingly White Dem since 1964:

'64 90-95% Blacks voted for LBJ
'68 90-95% Blacks voted for Humphrey

'84 91% Mondale
'88 89% Dukakis

2000 90% voted Gore & '04 88% Kerry

Carter & Clinton got roughly 85% of the Black vote in their runs(third party candidates like Perot lowered the %)

Where are you getting these numbers from? If it's from some "government" source, then how are they getting these numbers?

Voting is 100% anonymous. The only way that numbers like this would exist is if they were taken from a public poll, which is the worst way to get accurate, factual statistics.

 

[girk1]

Where are you getting these numbers from? If it's from some "government" source, then how are they getting these numbers?

Voting is 100% anonymous. The only way that numbers like this would exist is if they were taken from a public poll, which is the worst way to get accurate, factual statistics.

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_00.html Check any recent year you would like.
(Among a few places including newspapers,cnn,NBC,Fox,NPR,PBS,etc...which break down election results by demographics if you would like to educate yourself.)

Blacks being registered at over 80 or 90% Democrat gives credence to this FACT also.

Well where in the hell do you & people here get your stats or proof that Blacks are only voting for Obama because he is Black? Assumption? How do you & other people make this silly argument if the vote is so anonymous?
Am I the only one who has to give evidence while I listen to you & others anecdotes about a few Blacks you know said they will vote for Obama because of his race?

If the vote is so anonymous & we don't know how Blacks vote then why would you & others claim to know otherwise?Why constantly belabor this topic?:dunno:
How can you make the assumption about who they are going to vote for & what reason? Educated exit polls(which are more accurate than your assumptons) & overwhelming % of Registered Black DEM voters are more evidence than some guys on a message board misinformed & convoluted theories/assumptions.

These STATISTICS have been out there after each election virtually unchallenged by any historian/political scientist,but now suddenly laypeople with heaven knows what possible agenda want to challenge these statistics since Obama is in the race:dunno:
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Those Stats/numbers aren't EXACTS, but APPROXIMATES.

 

[Galactic]

Better than the alternative.

 

[Friday on my mind]

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_00.html Check any recent year you would like.
(Among a few places including newspapers,cnn,NBC,Fox,NPR,PBS,etc...which break down election results by demographics if you would like to educate yourself.)

Blacks being registered at over 80 or 90% Democrat gives credence to this FACT also.

Well where in the hell do you & people here get your stats or proof that Blacks are only voting for Obama because he is Black? Assumption? How do you & other people make this silly argument if the vote is so anonymous?
Am I the only one who has to give evidence while I listen to you & others anecdotes about a few Blacks you know said they will vote for Obama because of his race?

If the vote is so anonymous & we don't know how Blacks vote then why would you & others claim to know otherwise?Why constantly belabor this topic?:dunno:
How can you make the assumption about who they are going to vote for & what reason? Educated exit polls(which are more accurate than your assumptons) & overwhelming % of Registered Black DEM voters are more evidence than some guys on a message board misinformed & convoluted theories/assumptions.

These STATISTICS have been out there after each election virtually unchallenged by any historian/political scientist,but now suddenly laypeople with heaven knows what possible agenda want to challenge these statistics since Obama is in the race:dunno:
.
Those Stats/numbers aren't EXACTS, but APPROXIMATES.

I'm shocked more blacks don't register and vote republican then the roughly 10% they get.:eek:Actually I'm not shocked.:1orglaugh

 

[ChefChiTown]

Blacks being registered at over 80 or 90% Democrat gives credence to this FACT also.

How does that make it a fact that black people, as a whole, are voting one way or another?

What about all of the people who don't buy into the game of trying to belong to one certain political party, like myself? I'm not a registered Democrat and I'm not a registered Republican. I'm a registered voter and when I vote, it's done anonymously. So, since you don't know if a voter is a registered Democrat or registered Republican and since voting is done anonymously, how can those statistics be anywhere close to accurate?

ANSWER: They're not. They can't be.

Those "facts" are probably taken from public surveys which, once again, are the worst way to get accurate statistics.

Well where in the hell do you & people here get your stats or proof that Blacks are only voting for Obama because he is Black? Assumption? How do you & other people make this silly argument if the vote is so anonymous?
Am I the only one who has to give evidence while I listen to you & others anecdotes about a few Blacks you know said they will vote for Obama because of his race?

When did I, personally, say that black people will vote for Obama because he's black? Other people may have said that, but I haven't.

Your "evidence" isn't too convincing either, for the reasons I stated above.

If the vote is so anonymous & we don't know how Blacks vote then why would you & others claim to know otherwise?Why constantly belabor this topic?:dunno:
How can you make the assumption about who they are going to vote for & what reason? Educated exit polls(which are more accurate than your assumptons) & overwhelming % of Registered Black DEM voters are more evidence than some guys on a message board misinformed & convoluted theories/assumptions.

Exit polls aren't accurate. Do they ask every single person who walks out of their voting location who they voted for? No.

The exit polls are conducted by the National Election Pool (NEP), a consortium of ABC News, Associated Press, CBS News, CNN, Fox News and NBC News formed in 2003.

In theory, exit polls should match election results. But for all the care that goes into conducting accurate exit polls, errant results aren’t completely uncommon. Respected polling analyst Mark Blumenthal found that during the Democratic primaries this year, preliminary exit polls overestimated Obama's strength in 18 of 20 states, by an average error of 7 percentage points, based on leaked early results.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081021/pl_politico/14778

Shortly before resigning from the organization I co-founded in 2004 to scientifically study the accuracy of US elections (US Count Votes) I reached the conclusion that all the available public exit poll data was consistent with widespread electoral fraud, with widespread bad polling techniques - and, worse yet, an unfathomable combination of the two.

As long as we are confined to the narrow domain of exit polls and in the absence of full disclosure of the data, these questions were, are and will remain unanswerable. If we look outside the realm of exit polls briefly in order look at the "big picture", what do we see?

We now know for certain there are a host of systematic vulnerabilities in the all the components of electronic vote counting technology - DRE, op-scan, and tabulator - that tally the vast majority of the US vote. Given the nature of end-to-end voting systems and considering how they are "tested", deployed to the field, operated, and "examined" after the fact, widespread covert vote count corruption is certainly technically feasible.

http://www.electiondefensealliance.org/the_great_exit_poll_debate_by_bruce_odell

These STATISTICS have been out there after each election virtually unchallenged by any historian/political scientist,but now suddenly laypeople with heaven knows what possible agenda want to challenge these statistics since Obama is in the race:dunno:
.
Those Stats/numbers aren't EXACTS, but APPROXIMATES.

Yes, they are approximate numbers; approximate numbers with a huge margin of error.

The only statistic that is accurate is how many total votes each candidate gets. And, the funny thing...who knows if THAT statistic is even accurate. Our whole system of voting in the US is completely unreliable. There are so many inaccuracies at every single "level" of vote counting that it's honestly hard to believe that the numbers are even real.

For all we know, Ralph Nader could've won the past 3 elections. :dunno:

 

[Facetious]

Didn't I hear that Obama's the Dem party are considering the confiscation, or transference of everybody's 401K as a supplement for revenue needed to run the govt.? The government will guarantee us a measly 3% annual interest, which is about on par with inflation. The S&P 500 average rate of return is about 7%, if I recall correctly.

So, the feds may raid our retirement accounts, only to offer us the lesser (3%) rate of return percentage as they, in all likelihood, would receive the other 4% (or better) percent ? No thanks ! I'll invest my way, thank you very much.

 

[AFA]

I never heard that. Sounds like more B.S. flying around.

Obama is an arab you know.

 

[Facetious]

^ Maybe it's just bleed over from the girls at Fox(Y) Newz Net. . . . or maybe it was Dobbs :dunno:.

Obama is black on the outside but probably has 50% white blood inside !! LOL !! :nanner:

Which one did Barak describe a "typical white person" ?
His Mother or Grandma :dunno: ?

 

[girk1]

I'm shocked more blacks don't register and vote republican then the roughly 10% they get.:eek:Actually I'm not shocked.:1orglaugh

1orglaugh Hell I would be shocked if ten percent are registered Republicans.

40 something Black members of Congress & they are ALL Democrat

Republican Black congressman=0 :1orglaugh

With all of the overwhelming PROOF that Blacks vote nearly 90% Democrat every election since 1964 people still come with this nonsense. This is an easy non argument which has become rather boring.
Like I said in another post it seems as if though some people like to be devil's advocate & argue for arguments sake because the evidence is overwhelming.

 

[AFA]

^ Maybe it's just bleed over from the girls at Fox(Y) Newz Net. . . . or maybe it was Dobbs :dunno:.



Which one did Barak describe a "typical white person" ?
His Mother or Grandma :dunno: ?

Sounds like more B.S. It's thicker than ever right now.

I like this video and my interpretation of what they said;
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2572113&postcount=134

 

[Facetious]

40 something Black members of Congress & they are ALL Democrat

Republican Black congressman=0 :1orglaugh

With all of the overwhelming PROOF that Blacks vote nearly 90% Democrat every election since 1964 people still come with this nonsense. This is an easy non argument which has become rather boring.
Like I said in another post it seems as if though some people like to be devil's advocate & argue for arguments sake because the evidence is overwhelming.

So, 44 years has elapsed with the Black / American - African leadership leaning strongly, if not 99 % in favor of the democratic party . . . and what does the democratic party have to show for it ?

Very little, insofar as progress goes. Black Americans would be better off in the ranks of an Independent political party apparatus. It pains me to see all of these arrogant white libs leading Black Americans around. It's belittling and furthermore . . . disgusting.

:yesyes:

 

[ChefChiTown]

^^^^

That's not my post. :wtf: