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Who are your favorite philosophers?
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i mostly like him. i've had some heated arguments with him, but nevertheless, i've read all of his books and consider him an inspiring writer.
i'm flattered.
Will: See the sad thing about a guy like you, is in about 50 years you’re gonna start doin' some thinkin' on your own and you’re gonna come up with the fact that there are two certainties in life. One, don't do that. And two, you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a fuckin’ education you coulda' got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the Public Library.
Clark: Yeah, but I will have a degree, and you'll be serving my kids fries at a drive-thru on our way to a skiing trip. Will: Yeah, maybe. But at least I won't be unoriginal.
Will: If you want to read a real history book, read Howard Zinn's 'People History of the United States.' That book will knock you on your ass.
Will: Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.... that's a tough one. But I'll take a shot. Say I'm working at N.S.A. and somebody puts a code on my desk, something noone else can break. Maybe I take a shot at it and maybe I break it. And I'm real happy with myself, 'cause I did my job well. But maybe that code was the location of some rebel army in North Africa or the Middle East, and once they have that location, they bomb the village where the rebels were hidin'- fifteen hundred people that I never met, never had no problem with get killed. Now the politicians are sayin', oh, "Send in the marines to secure the area" 'cause they don't give a shit. It won't be their kid over there, gettin' shot, just like it wasn't them when their number got called, 'cause they were pullin' a tour in the National Guard. It'll be some guy from Southie over there, takin' shrapnel in the ass; he comes back to find that the plant he used to work at got exported to the country he just got back from, and the guy who put the shrapnel in his ass got his old job, 'cause he'll work for fifteen cents a day and no bathroom breaks. Meanwhile he realizes the only reason he was over there in the first place was so that we could install a government that would sell us oil at a good price, and of course the oil companies use the little skirmish over there to scare up domestic oil prices- a cute little ancillary benefit for them, but it ain't helping my buddy at two-fifty a gallon. They're takin' their sweet time bringin' the oil back, o' course, maybe they even took the liberty of hiring an alcoholic skipper who likes to drink martinis an' fuckin' play slalom with the icebergs; it ain't too long 'til he hits one, spills the oil and kills all the sea life in the North Atlantic. So now my buddy's outta work, he can't afford to drive, so he's walkin' to the fuckin' job interviews, which sucks 'cause the shrapnel in his ass is givin' him chronic hemorrhoids, and meanwhile he's starvin' 'cause every time he tries to get a bite to eat the only blue plate special they're servin' is North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State. So what did I think? I'm holdin' out for somethin' better. I figure fuck it, while I'm at it, why not just shoot my buddy, take his job, give it to his sworn enemy, hike up gas prices, bomb a villiage, club a baby seal, hit the hash pipe and join the National Guard? I could be elected President.
dave_rhino
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The ones in the unemployment line.
applesauce, bitch!
My mum.
Diogenes of Sinope, because of his sense of humour; Kierkegaard too.
Emil Michel Cioran, because of his exquisitely bleak vision.
What about the others, who would not be labeled as "philosophers" at first glance, but have well established their "philosophy" with their work (or simply with their existence), written or unwritten. Film directors, painters, sculptors, musicians, authors, actors, poets, fools or bums. That would make a very long list of "favourite philosophers" indeed.
Robert Wyatt
Aki Kaurismäki
Erik Satie
Mark Hollis
Lee Hazlewood
Weldon Kees
Townes van Zandt
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Emil Michel Cioran, because of his exquisitely bleak vision.
What about the others, who would not be labeled as "philosophers" at first glance, but have well established their "philosophy" with their work (or simply with their existence), written or unwritten. Film directors, painters, sculptors, musicians, authors, actors, poets, fools or bums. That would make a very long list of "favourite philosophers" indeed.
Robert Wyatt
Aki Kaurismäki
Erik Satie
Mark Hollis
Lee Hazlewood
Weldon Kees
Townes van Zandt
...
Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Immanuel Kant, Marcus Aurelius.
I think he actually said, "Köstlich! Köstlich! Kaugummi, haften Sie es oben! Ihr Mutter Scheißeloch!"
it's almost a haiku.
Sun Tzu
Machiavelli
I personally believe that without a fundamental system of control NO state nor government, i.e that place from which most expect help when help is needed, could/would exist. Most people hate taxes yet want to go to college on grant money. If the government/state could not influence attitudes about taxation, then they'd get a mere percentage of the whole.
I do not advocate lies. But, how would you move group in unison to ensure that any new alternative fuel source is consumed on a level which would make it a viable commercial product?
I'd love very much to follow philosophers who advocate the power of individuals and individual thinking about all else, but the world is built upon individuals who must rely on collectives for bargaining power. Absolutely, we must each turn self-analytical in order to protect our psyche, but the power of the group to solve problems has been demonstrated.
Machiavelli
I personally believe that without a fundamental system of control NO state nor government, i.e that place from which most expect help when help is needed, could/would exist. Most people hate taxes yet want to go to college on grant money. If the government/state could not influence attitudes about taxation, then they'd get a mere percentage of the whole.
I do not advocate lies. But, how would you move group in unison to ensure that any new alternative fuel source is consumed on a level which would make it a viable commercial product?
I'd love very much to follow philosophers who advocate the power of individuals and individual thinking about all else, but the world is built upon individuals who must rely on collectives for bargaining power. Absolutely, we must each turn self-analytical in order to protect our psyche, but the power of the group to solve problems has been demonstrated.
"The character of peoples varies and it is easy to persuade them of a thing , but difficult to keep them in that persuasion. And so it is necessary to order things so that when they no longer believe, they can be made to believe by force...Fortune, is a woman, and it is necessary, if you wish to master her, to conquer her by force."
-Machiavelli
So he not only suggests that the government should tell people what to think against popular opinion and democratic process, but he uses rape as an analogy of how to go about forcing people to do so. Yeah, what a role model.
-Machiavelli
So he not only suggests that the government should tell people what to think against popular opinion and democratic process, but he uses rape as an analogy of how to go about forcing people to do so. Yeah, what a role model.
Trying to place every piece of writing in an exact 21st century model isn't recommended. Besides, Fortune being a "woman" isn't, I think, meant literally. He's probably talking about conquering that which is the "opposite" of him. Also, remember - he is writing at a time, the 15th century, when women were thought of as little better than insignificant baby factories.
Ron Jeremy, Summer Cummings, and Nikki Nova.
Marlo Manson
Hello Sexy girl how your Toes doing?
who can make the past come to light; control the present; and predict the future? SMITH AND WESSON!!! :bowdown::hatsoff:
his real name was Eric Blair
Jacques Derrida
Franz Kafka
Jean Baudrillard
Marcus Tullius Cicero
Jean-Paul Sartre
Baruch Spinoza
Charles Bukowski
Arthur Schopenhauer
Johann Wolfgang Goethe
Emil Cioran
Fyodor Dostoevsky
etc.
I don't particularly dislike any philosophers that I have encountered. Some of the more new-age ones I do find revolting in that they merely scrape together some lines and pawn off their predominately plagiarized and regurgitated texts as some kind of self-help. These hucksters have been around for a long time though, dating all the way back to ancient Greece and perhaps before then. Generally I'm drawn to the grittier and more pessimistic (or realist depending on how you interpret the world) writers as I see this as the true state of man. If I want to see rainbows I'll get drunk and look at the sun through my half-emptied bottle.
Franz Kafka
Jean Baudrillard
Marcus Tullius Cicero
Jean-Paul Sartre
Baruch Spinoza
Charles Bukowski
Arthur Schopenhauer
Johann Wolfgang Goethe
Emil Cioran
Fyodor Dostoevsky
etc.
I don't particularly dislike any philosophers that I have encountered. Some of the more new-age ones I do find revolting in that they merely scrape together some lines and pawn off their predominately plagiarized and regurgitated texts as some kind of self-help. These hucksters have been around for a long time though, dating all the way back to ancient Greece and perhaps before then. Generally I'm drawn to the grittier and more pessimistic (or realist depending on how you interpret the world) writers as I see this as the true state of man. If I want to see rainbows I'll get drunk and look at the sun through my half-emptied bottle.
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