Who are you voting/rooting for in this years election

[Brino]

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we find him!"

- President Bush, September 13, 2001

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

- President Bush, March 13, 2002

Only because our elections have become so dependent on television and its emphatic emptiness, could a man of such sublime and complacent ignorance assume the highest office in the land.

Mark Crispin Miller

I wrote Cruel and Unusual to make the case that Bush & Co. is fundamentally un-American -- an order wholly alien to the spirit of our founding documents. Certainly the regime represents some dark old strains in U.S. history: nativism, white supremacism, theocratic tyranny. But as far as our mainstream political traditions are concerned, Bush & Co. have simply junked them. They've hijacked the U.S. ship of state, and have it on a suicidal course.

I argue that Bush & Co. is the anti-Jefferson. This regime is not conservative, but represents a radical subversive movement -- one now largely in control of all three branches of the government, and also dominant throughout the press. What ultimately drives them is irrational. Sure, they're in it for the money and the oil; but that's not all that's going on here. They're neo-Calvinists, quite clearly working toward the imposition of theocracy on the United States, and then on the whole world. (Although mostly atheists and Jews, the Straussian types around Rumsfeld and Cheney are fine with that agenda, as they believe that theocratic government is best, because it makes the populace compliant.)

Mark Crispin Miller

 

[Brino]

Here's all the proof you will ever need that the people in power are a bunch of lying liars! Just when something doesnt go their way they bring in terrorism! More Vote for Bush or Die scare tactics!

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040927&s=legum

 

[georges]

So youd really say that to Kerry's face? Well then as you so like to say "you deserve a beating for insulting authority" isnt that the kind of society you want to live in georges!? One without freedom of speech where everybody who speaks their mind gets a beating!

Yes I would and i wouldn't be afraid to say it.
Insulting someone desserves a penalty and if he goes too far and it gets into fight then he desserves a beating.
In Texas in Dallas, when i visited the my family 5 years ago, all neighbours who lived on the same street than my family never insulted cops or troopers because they never had problems and always applied the laws.
Freedom of speech with respect of the other but not tolerating insults and flamings.

 

[georges]

Here's all the proof you will ever need that the people in power are a bunch of lying liars! Just when something doesnt go their way they bring in terrorism! More Vote for Bush or Die scare tactics!

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040927&s=legum

Is the nation a democrat newspaper???

 

[Starman]

Originally posted by georges
Flaming us for our point views Starman :wtf:

"Point views"? It depends what you mean with that. Pat Robertson is as extreme on the right as anybody in the United States is on the left. Yet his people has taken over large parts of the Republican Party. The Religious right - the Christian right - is an important GOP faction consisting of conservatives united on social issues, embracing traditional Judeo-Christian moral values. They are against abortion and gay marriage and favor school prayer, and interpret the establishment clause of the First Amendment as prohibiting only the official establishment of a state church, as opposed to the more secularist view that the clause prohibits the government from incorporating religion-based values in the law, so as to effect a strict separation of church and state. Some estimate religious conservatives represent the largest faction of the GOP in numbers. Prominent social conservatives include Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Senator Rick Santorum.

Another very influential wing is the Neoconservatives. Neoconservatives are generally regarded as the most militaristic branch of the party, in favor of an aggressive pre-emptive foreign policy. Many were once active members of the American Left, now "disillusioned" with the perceived extreme relativism and "anti-Americanism" of the 1960s protest generation. They favor unilateralism over reliance on international organizations and treaties, believing such commitments are often against America's interests. They began rising to significant influence during the Reagan administration. Those considered among the neoconservative circles include Jeane Kirkpatrick and Paul Wolfowitz.

 

[Starman]

Originally posted by georges
Now let me remember the past of Sweden during wwII, Sweden supplied a big amount of steel quantities to Germany, a lot German banks had gold stocks in Sweden. Some Swedes even faught with German during WWII. After WWII and more especially in the 80's-90's theer were investiagtion concerning from where was the gold from Sweden probably from the goods stolen by nazis which belong people who were killed in concentration camps by them. Despite Sweden wasn't involved in war we can consider it as an ally of the 1/3rd Reich so Starman who is nazi there????

Oh, how your memory deceives you, and your lack of education and your abundance of prejudice shows.

The investigation about the Nazi gold was about Switzerland, not Sweden. Swiss banks, not Swedish banks. Switzerland, East of France, South of Germany, West of Austria and North of Italy. The land of cuckoo clocks and white chocolate, one of the neighboring countries to the country you live in, France. Not Sweden located in Scandinavia, North Europe. The country that has the Northern Polar Circle passing through in the northernmost part of the country.

"Some Swedes even faught with German during WWII."
Yes, it was Swedish Conservatives that loved the Nazi-rule of Germany, and before the war emigrated to Germany to help out. The same did Conservatives from many other countries too, also from your homeland France. They viewed Nazi-Germany, about the same way that Commies view Cuba today, like it is somekind of paradise on earth. Conservatists has all through the history never really had anything against dictatorship regimes, they might even co-operate with them, as long as they aren't a threat to their own power. Like for example USA and Pinochet in Chile, or USA and Saddam in Iraq.
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About Swedish iron ore during World War II

A vital factor in Sweden's relations with the great powers, particularly those with Germany and Britain, was that of trade. Prior to the war, Sweden had important trade routes with both Germany and Britain and the outbreak of war in September of 1939 obviously threatened those trade routes. If Sweden had showed any preference to either side in the war, such leanings would have threatened its policy of neutrality and possibly its independence as well. Maintaining such trade routes with the great powers was not only important in a political sense, but also an economic one as well. In 1938 for example, 24 percent of Sweden's total exports went to Britain, with another 18 percent of its exports going to Germany that same year. When the Second World War began, trade between both countries was greatly affected.

At the beginning of the war, agreements were signed between Sweden and the two great powers in order to sustain these vital trade routes. However, when Germany invaded Denmark and Norway in April of 1940, coupled with a German blockade of the North Sea, Sweden's trade with the west was cut by a total of 70 percent. Trade with Germany, within the blockade, increased with 37 percent of Sweden's exports going to Germany. Had Sweden stopped providing Germany with its iron-ore on its own accord, Sweden would have run the risk of a German invasion. It was known in government circles in Sweden that Germany had been considering an invasion of Sweden.

From 1943 onward, when Germany began to meet with a greater amount of misfortune after its losses at Stalingrad and elsewhere, Germany was forced into a more defensive position, while Allied forces met with greater successes on the battlefield, such as the battle in North Africa. Such a position allowed Sweden to be more decisive in its own policies and actions. Following August and September of 1943, Sweden was able to stiffen to German demands, and abandon its trade with Germany. However, despite Germany's defensive posture, Sweden was in constant fear that "the whole course of events suggested that the unexpected might happen," an attitude that was sustained until the very end of the war.
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Next, though Sweden claimed they were neutral, that was hardly the case, which these facts will show you.
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Sweden and the Winter War

The Winter War broke out when the Soviet Union attacked Finland on November 30, 1939, three months after the start of World War II. The war lasted until March 1940 and during the conflict Finland received crucial support from Sweden.

When the Soviet Union attacked Finland in 1939, an overwhelming number of Swedes favored some sort of involvement in the conflict, both on a humanitarian and a military basis, and as many as 20,000 Swedes voluntarily went to Finland to help the Finns defend their homeland against the advancing Soviet army during the Winter War. The Swedish government did send food, clothing, medicine and an amount of weapons to aid the Finns. Of those 20,000 volunteers, some were trained fighter pilots, which we allowed using Swedish fighter planes.
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Other things Sweden did during the war was:

• Sweden spied for the allied forces, and we had, amongst other things, spy-planes that took pictures of strategic targets.
• The Norweigan and Danish resistance forces, against the German occupation, had bases in Sweden. We did also fund the resistance forces with food, clothing, medicine and weapons.
• We saved many Jews, that otherwise would have been killed.
  The Swedish legation in Budapest succeeded in negotiating with the Germans that the bearers of these protective passes would be treated as Swedish citizens and exempt from wearing the yellow Star of David on their chest. It was Per Anger, a young diplomat at the legation in Budapest, who initiated the first of these Swedish protective passes. (In 1982, Per Anger was also awarded the honor of "righteous among the nations" by Yad Vashem in Jerusalem for his heroic actions to save Jews during the war.)
  Raoul Wallenberg, known as a quick thinker, energetic, brave and compassionate, is thought to have saved the lives of between 20,000 and 100,000 Jews. In comparison you can consider that Oskar Schindler, the German businessman, that Steven Spielberg has made a film about, saved 1,200 Jews. The Swedish government had given Raoul Wallenberg a full diplomatic status, and a right to issue out temporary Swedish passports, so that the Jews could get to the safety in Sweden. Just like the story about Oskar Schindler, there has been films made about the story of Raoul Wallenberg too.
  Raoul Wallenberg - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/wallenberg.html
  Wallenberg: A Hero's Story (1985) (TV) - http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0090285/
  God afton, Herr Wallenberg (1990) (AKA: Good Evening, Mr. Wallenberg (1990)) - http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0099673/
  Raoul Wallenberg was made an Honorary Citizen of the United States in 1981. The bill was sponsored by Representative Tom Lantos, a Hungarian Jew who as a teenager sought refuge in one of Wallenberg's safe houses. He was later made an honorary citizen of Canada in 1985, and of Israel in 1986.
  He was honored by Israel's Yad Vashem memorial as one of the "Righteous Among the Nations", recognizing those non-Jews who helped save Jews from the Holocaust.
  And we had more people rescuing Jews, Raoul Wallenberg was just the most successful one.
  Count Folke Bernadotte af Wisborg (January 2, 1895 - September 17, 1948), is noted for his negotiation for the release of prisoners from the German concentration camps in World War II. Just before the end of World War II he gained much good will leading a rescue operation transporting interned Norwegians, Danes and other inmates from German Concentration Camps to hospitals in Sweden. In the "White Buses" of the Bernadotte-expedition, funded by the Swedish King, Gustav V, 27,000 persons were liberated, a considerable share of them Jews.
• We received and accepted refugees from our neighboring countries.

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So as you can see, we fought in the war on the side of the allies, not through weapons, but through intelligence and cunning. We knew that if we started a war with Germany, we would probably have been quickly over-run, so instead we, in the guise of neutrality, undermined the Germans, maked sabotage, and spied at them. We supported their enemies. Using our claim to be neutral, we decieved the Germans, so that Sweden could give Intelligence to the Allies. We weren't really neutral at all, instead we just put the German's into a false sense of security. If you make your enemy feel safe, then you have the advantage. We have always been against Conservative extremists, no matter if they are Nazis, Facists or Commies.

 

[georges]

"Point views"? It depends what you mean with that. Pat Robertson is as extreme on the right as anybody in the United States is on the left. Yet his people has taken over large parts of the Republican Party. The Religious right - the Christian right - is an important GOP faction consisting of conservatives united on social issues, embracing traditional Judeo-Christian moral values. They are against abortion and gay marriage and favor school prayer, and interpret the establishment clause of the First Amendment as prohibiting only the official establishment of a state church, as opposed to the more secularist view that the clause prohibits the government from incorporating religion-based values in the law, so as to effect a strict separation of church and state. Some estimate religious conservatives represent the largest faction of the GOP in numbers. Prominent social conservatives include Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Senator Rick Santorum.

Another very influential wing is the Neoconservatives. Neoconservatives are generally regarded as the most militaristic branch of the party, in favor of an aggressive pre-emptive foreign policy. Many were once active members of the American Left, now "disillusioned" with the perceived extreme relativism and "anti-Americanism" of the 1960s protest generation. They favor unilateralism over reliance on international organizations and treaties, believing such commitments are often against America's interests. They began rising to significant influence during the Reagan administration. Those considered among the neoconservative circles include Jeane Kirkpatrick and Paul Wolfowitz.

There has been always anti americanism, it has always existed. Like someone said "You are with us or against us there is no in between". Sorry but when everyone is against something then i think you don't have another choice than to act by yourself. Internationalities treaties are not often respected by countries who sign them and about international organzations the country that has often the most important word are always the US,why? Because they are the sole superpower.
Reagan did good things during 8 years. He was one of the best presidents ever and one of the most popular.Conservative or not, people who are patriotic and defend their country interests get always more recognition by people.
I don't see the problem about being militaristic it shows that a country has a defense and has a will to develop latest technologies for its defense.

 

[georges]

Oh, how your memory deceives you, and your lack of education and your abundance of prejudice shows.

The investigation about the Nazi gold was about Switzerland, not Sweden. Swiss banks, not Swedish banks. Switzerland, East of France, South of Germany, West of Austria and North of Italy. The land of cuckoo clocks and white chocolate, one of the neighboring countries to the country you live in, France. Not Sweden located in Scandinavia, North Europe. The country that has the Northern Polar Circle passing through in the northernmost part of the country.

"Some Swedes even faught with German during WWII."
Yes, it was Swedish Conservatives that loved the Nazi-rule of Germany, and before the war emigrated to Germany to help out. The same did Conservatives from many other countries too, also from your homeland France. They viewed Nazi-Germany, about the same way that Commies view Cuba today, like it is somekind of paradise on earth. Conservatists has all through the history never really had anything against dictatorship regimes, they might even co-operate with them, as long as they aren't a threat to their own power. Like for example USA and Pinochet in Chile, or USA and Saddam in Iraq.
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About Swedish iron ore during World War II

A vital factor in Sweden's relations with the great powers, particularly those with Germany and Britain, was that of trade. Prior to the war, Sweden had important trade routes with both Germany and Britain and the outbreak of war in September of 1939 obviously threatened those trade routes. If Sweden had showed any preference to either side in the war, such leanings would have threatened its policy of neutrality and possibly its independence as well. Maintaining such trade routes with the great powers was not only important in a political sense, but also an economic one as well. In 1938 for example, 24 percent of Sweden's total exports went to Britain, with another 18 percent of its exports going to Germany that same year. When the Second World War began, trade between both countries was greatly affected.

At the beginning of the war, agreements were signed between Sweden and the two great powers in order to sustain these vital trade routes. However, when Germany invaded Denmark and Norway in April of 1940, coupled with a German blockade of the North Sea, Sweden's trade with the west was cut by a total of 70 percent. Trade with Germany, within the blockade, increased with 37 percent of Sweden's exports going to Germany. Had Sweden stopped providing Germany with its iron-ore on its own accord, Sweden would have run the risk of a German invasion. It was known in government circles in Sweden that Germany had been considering an invasion of Sweden.

From 1943 onward, when Germany began to meet with a greater amount of misfortune after its losses at Stalingrad and elsewhere, Germany was forced into a more defensive position, while Allied forces met with greater successes on the battlefield, such as the battle in North Africa. Such a position allowed Sweden to be more decisive in its own policies and actions. Following August and September of 1943, Sweden was able to stiffen to German demands, and abandon its trade with Germany. However, despite Germany's defensive posture, Sweden was in constant fear that "the whole course of events suggested that the unexpected might happen," an attitude that was sustained until the very end of the war.
___

Next, though Sweden claimed they were neutral, that was hardly the case, which these facts will show you.
___

Sweden and the Winter War

The Winter War broke out when the Soviet Union attacked Finland on November 30, 1939, three months after the start of World War II. The war lasted until March 1940 and during the conflict Finland received crucial support from Sweden.

When the Soviet Union attacked Finland in 1939, an overwhelming number of Swedes favored some sort of involvement in the conflict, both on a humanitarian and a military basis, and as many as 20,000 Swedes voluntarily went to Finland to help the Finns defend their homeland against the advancing Soviet army during the Winter War. The Swedish government did send food, clothing, medicine and an amount of weapons to aid the Finns. Of those 20,000 volunteers, some were trained fighter pilots, which we allowed using Swedish fighter planes.
___

Other things Sweden did during the war was:

• Sweden spied for the allied forces, and we had, amongst other things, spy-planes that took pictures of strategic targets.
• The Norweigan and Danish resistance forces, against the German occupation, had bases in Sweden. We did also fund the resistance forces with food, clothing, medicine and weapons.
• We saved many Jews, that otherwise would have been killed.
  The Swedish legation in Budapest succeeded in negotiating with the Germans that the bearers of these protective passes would be treated as Swedish citizens and exempt from wearing the yellow Star of David on their chest. It was Per Anger, a young diplomat at the legation in Budapest, who initiated the first of these Swedish protective passes. (In 1982, Per Anger was also awarded the honor of "righteous among the nations" by Yad Vashem in Jerusalem for his heroic actions to save Jews during the war.)
  Raoul Wallenberg, known as a quick thinker, energetic, brave and compassionate, is thought to have saved the lives of between 20,000 and 100,000 Jews. In comparison you can consider that Oskar Schindler, the German businessman, that Steven Spielberg has made a film about, saved 1,200 Jews. The Swedish government had given Raoul Wallenberg a full diplomatic status, and a right to issue out temporary Swedish passports, so that the Jews could get to the safety in Sweden. Just like the story about Oskar Schindler, there has been films made about the story of Raoul Wallenberg too.
  Raoul Wallenberg - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/wallenberg.html
  Wallenberg: A Hero's Story (1985) (TV) - http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0090285/
  God afton, Herr Wallenberg (1990) (AKA: Good Evening, Mr. Wallenberg (1990)) - http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0099673/
  Raoul Wallenberg was made an Honorary Citizen of the United States in 1981. The bill was sponsored by Representative Tom Lantos, a Hungarian Jew who as a teenager sought refuge in one of Wallenberg's safe houses. He was later made an honorary citizen of Canada in 1985, and of Israel in 1986.
  He was honored by Israel's Yad Vashem memorial as one of the "Righteous Among the Nations", recognizing those non-Jews who helped save Jews from the Holocaust.
  And we had more people rescuing Jews, Raoul Wallenberg was just the most successful one.
  Count Folke Bernadotte af Wisborg (January 2, 1895 - September 17, 1948), is noted for his negotiation for the release of prisoners from the German concentration camps in World War II. Just before the end of World War II he gained much good will leading a rescue operation transporting interned Norwegians, Danes and other inmates from German Concentration Camps to hospitals in Sweden. In the "White Buses" of the Bernadotte-expedition, funded by the Swedish King, Gustav V, 27,000 persons were liberated, a considerable share of them Jews.
• We received and accepted refugees from our neighboring countries.

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So as you can see, we fought in the war on the side of the allies, not through weapons, but through intelligence and cunning. We knew that if we started a war with Germany, we would probably have been quickly over-run, so instead we, in the guise of neutrality, undermined the Germans, maked sabotage, and spied at them. We supported their enemies. Using our claim to be neutral, we decieved the Germans, so that Sweden could give Intelligence to the Allies. We weren't really neutral at all, instead we just put the German's into a false sense of security. If you make your enemy feel safe, then you have the advantage. We have always been against Conservative extremists, no matter if they are Nazis, Facists or Commies.

My lack of education nono:nono: You lack maybe of education by putting everyone in the same bag.A country that has sold steel to germany is a collaborationnist. But the facts you give me seem to show that there were people who didn't like nazis.
Finland was leaded by Marshal Mannerheim who was against commies but who was supporting Germans.
I have read about the wallenberg case in mr wiesenthal's book "justice isn't vengeance."

 

[Brino]

Is the nation a democrat newspaper???

Ha! I knew youd say that! Predictable as always! :rofl:

 

[Brino]

Yes I would and i wouldn't be afraid to say it.
Insulting someone desserves a penalty and if he goes too far and it gets into fight then he desserves a beating.
In Texas in Dallas, when i visited the my family 5 years ago, all neighbours who lived on the same street than my family never insulted cops or troopers because they never had problems and always applied the laws.
Freedom of speech with respect of the other but not tolerating insults and flamings.

You said if you insulted somebody then you dererve a beating! That's what you said about Moore, but now that your the topic of conversation the rules change to if you start a fight with somebody you deserve a beating! Which is it georges!? Insulting somebody or starting a fight!? Note the fact that you said Moore deserved a beating and yet Moore didnt start a fight with anybody he just insulted them!

 

[LetoII]

I don't see the problem about being militaristic it shows that a country has a defense and has a will to develop latest technologies for its defense.

georges, according to your posts in this thread i assume you're pretty interested in history. then you should know that all the big militaristic nations (the greek, the persians, the romans etc) were conquerers and warmongerers and constantly at war with others. and we haven't learned that much since then. we still make war for the same reasons.
so, yes, i think that being militaristic is a very big problem, for any nation in the world.
i agree with you that it's okay for defensive purposes, but hasn't iraq shown us that the actual US gov is willing to abuse it's military power for more than simple defense ?!?
being militaristic is DANGEROUS, it has always been and it'll never change.

regards

Leto

 

[georges]

You said if you insulted somebody then you dererve a beating! That's what you said about Moore, but now that your the topic of conversation the rules change to if you start a fight with somebody you deserve a beating! Which is it georges!? Insulting somebody or starting a fight!? Note the fact that you said Moore deserved a beating and yet Moore didnt start a fight with anybody he just insulted them!

You insult someone you have to assume your words.If you can't better is to say nothing and keep your mouth shut.Insulting equals provocating it shows lack of tact and education.If insulting goes too far then the person needs a lesson.

 

[member5726]

Since you seem to really know a lot of things about Bush, i would like to know what the US should do about the Genocide in Soudan, since Democracy and liberty are so important to him...

 

[Brino]

You insult someone you have to assume your words.If you can't better is to say nothing and keep your mouth shut.Insulting equals provocating it shows lack of tact and education.If insulting goes too far then the person needs a lesson.

Well if you insulted Kerry then I'm sure it would go to far, so then by your own admission you'd deserve a beating correct!

You talk about getting a beating if you insult somebody but what you dont realize is that it goes both ways! If we lived in a society like that then you also would recieve a beating for speaking your own mind! Is that really the society you want to live in!?

 

[georges]

Well if you insulted Kerry then I'm sure it would go to far, so then by your own admission you'd deserve a beating correct!

You talk about getting a beating if you insult somebody but what you dont realize is that it goes both ways! If we lived in a society like that then you also would recieve a beating for speaking your own mind! Is that really the society you want to live in!?

You dislike disciplin don't you ?
There are laws that are made to be respected and you have to obey them.
You think that you can insult someone and think also that you won't be punished?Then you are really naive.Law is law and if you trespass the law you have to be punished.
Problem is that the person who started to insult Bush was Moore followed by democrats.
At least i amn't afraid to open my mouth when i have something to say i say it.
You know what if you want insult someone in France even a single normal person you can be traded in court and receive a penalty. I prefer this type of society.An anarchist society is a society where there is no respect of the rules, this is probably what you want but that will never happen.

 

[Brino]

You dislike disciplin don't you ?
There are laws that are made to be respected and you have to obey them.
You think that you can insult someone and think also that you won't be punished?Then you are really naive.Law is law and if you trespass the law you have to be punished.
Problem is that the person who started to insult Bush was Moore followed by democrats.
At least i amn't afraid to open my mouth when i have something to say i say it.
You know what if you want insult someone in France even a single normal person you can be traded in court and receive a penalty. I prefer this type of society.An anarchist society is a society where there is no respect of the rules, this is probably what you want but that will never happen.

Well, I'm glad I dont live in France then! Guess what georges incase you didnt know America isnt France! The law here is the opposite of the law there! Freedom of speech is a law here or an ammendment to be more precise! So you dont get punished for speaking your mind here! So if you prefer that kind of society then stay in France! Obviously freedom of speech is better than the type of society you live in otherwise America wouldnt have the influence it does today!

Admit it georges your a hypocrite! You want to live in that society as long as it benefits you! You want to be able to insult people without them insulting you back! If it were the opposite and everybody insulted you but you couldnt insult them back, you wouldnt like it would you!? So why should you get everything you want but nobody else get the same!?

 

[member5726]

Since you seem to really know a lot of things about Bush, i would like to know what the US should do about the Genocide in Soudan, since Democracy and liberty are so important to him...

I just love the way Georges respond to some of my post, but he ignores other... so i will just repost my question until he respond it.

 

[georges]

Well, I'm glad I dont live in France then! Guess what georges incase you didnt know America isnt France! The law here is the opposite of the law there! Freedom of speech is a law here or an ammendment to be more precise! So you dont get punished for speaking your mind here! So if you prefer that kind of society then stay in France! Obviously freedom of speech is better than the type of society you live in otherwise America wouldnt have the influence it does today!

Admit it georges your a hypocrite! You want to live in that society as long as it benefits you! You want to be able to insult people without them insulting you back! If it were the opposite and everybody insulted you but you couldnt insult them back, you wouldnt like it would you!? So why should you get everything you want but nobody else get the same!?

You are an hypocrite because you think that you can insult anyone behind their back and nver be punished.
Do you honestely think that you can talk to with a crap language and even insult to a judge or any other person.
You want an anarchy which means you want a system where you can insult everyone, trespass the law and not being punished.It is like the system when you steal "not seen, not taken". That is not freedom of speech.Insulting everyone and calling them with names is not freedom of speech it is not respecting the others it is walking on their toes.
Problem is education a scumbag will always remain a scumbag period. If someone is bad educated he will remain as he is for all his life.
None likes scumbag or bullies they are a danger for the society, you maybe like them but many people don't.
You think that you are all allowed, certainly not.:nono:You have laws and if you don't respect them you have to be punished.
You hate disciplin and order, i can see that through your posts.

 

[georges]

Since you seem to really know a lot of things about Bush, i would like to know what the US should do about the Genocide in Soudan, since Democracy and liberty are so important to him...

Bush can't do all at the same time. He is not a wizzard.
To this my question will be" have you seen how clinton had fucked up the us army in somalia?"

 

[member5726]

Bush can't do all at the same time. He is not a wizzard.
To this my question will be" have you seen how clinton had fucked up the us army in somalia?"

Well, easier to put the blame on others... i guess we should put the blame about the situation in Korea on Clinton too, and the price of oil, and the situation on healthcare, the economy too... :yesyes: Lets all put the blame on Clinton, everything wrong in the US heck in the whole world is Clinton fault, Bush can wash is hands clean !

Btw just to be clear Georges, i was being sarcastic !