Who are you voting/rooting for in this years election

Who are you voting/rooting for?

  • Democrats: John Kerry/John Edwards

    Votes: 64 57.1%
  • Republicans: George W. Bush/Dick Cheney

    Votes: 35 31.3%
  • Reform Party: Ralph Nader/Peter Camejo

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Green Party: David Cobb/Pat LaMarche

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Other third party canidate

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • No one

    Votes: 9 8.0%

  • Total voters
    112
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According to Pat Robertson, Feminism is a "socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians, and lesbians encourage straight women to abort their babies because lesbians will never have babies themselves." Try to follow that logic!

Well, I can try to turn that logic against him by using the same kind of rationalism to the Patriarchal system or Chauvinism... Something like "The Christian Right encourages men to chain their women to the stove and never let them leave the house." I think the people who listen to him are as closed-minded, narcissistic, and chauvinistic as he is. Some people just won't listen to other opinions.

Robertson's views mirror those of Jerry Falwell, who has made frequent appearances on The 700 Club. He agreed with Jerry Falwell that the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks were caused by "pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays, lesbians, the ACLU and the People for the American Way."

The extreme nature of conservatism - not just the extremity of its rhetoric but the oppressiveness of its prescriptions for society - is clear enough in the conservatives' own literature, but American culture no longer has the categories to identify what it is. Indeed, one can hear fascism, never mind conservatism, on the radio any day of the week. But Americans have mostly forgotten what fascism even is, so that they can listen to fascist rhetoric and it will actually sound kind of fresh.

On his 700 Club, Pat Robertson has on two occasions suggested a nuclear attack against the United States government. In two interviews with the author of a book critical of the United States Department of State, Robertson made suggestions that the explosion of a nuclear weapon at State Department Headquarters would be good for the country.

"What we need is for somebody to place a small nuke at Foggy Bottom" Robertson said between prayers and advertisements on his nationwide television program. Foggy Bottom is the location of the State Department headquarters. State Department officials said they believed the comments to be in extremely bad taste, and have lodged official complaints against Robertson for his remarks.

It's these people that Georges, Dirty Sanchez and Ranger support fanatically, people who sounds as extreme as NAZIS AND FACISTS at times.
 

georges

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Starman said:
Thank you, Georges, this response was golden! In one short and concise post you confirmed every single word I had written in my text about Conservatives! :rofl2: *laughing my ass off*

Michael Moore has freedoms and rights of thought and opinion. He has not broken any laws, except for those that would have been in countries with an extreme form of Conservatism. (Nazism/Facism/Communism)

Georges, being born in a bad neighbourhood is not people's own fault. Just because you are born to a poor family doesn't mean you're lazy or stupid. The society is not a fixed order where everyone should stay put where they are. A poor person can very well be a whole lot smarter than you, but deprived from a good education, practical experience and patterns of thought that would be required in a democracy, he will never be able to rise to his full potential. You are not a better person than every one else by blood. You defend Conservatism like it was a natural phenomenon, but in reality it is the most artificial thing on Earth. You try by your arguments make the social order seem permanent and timeless.

The modern democratic citizen is "modular", that is, capable of moving about within the society, building and rebuilding relationships and associations of diverse sorts, because of a set of social skills and social institutions that facilitate a generalized, dynamic mobility. The modular citizen gets a place in society not through birth or the bonds of an inherited order but through a gregarious kind of entrepreneurial innovation.

By depriving people of education and rights, you're trying to justify the hierarchical conservative order in terms of the values of community. You believe that everyone in a community is knitted to everyone else through a system of roles and relationships into which they are born, and which they supposedly accept and love. It is made to sound harmonious, and objections to it are made to sound divisive, by neglecting to mention the oppression of the life-long hierarchical bonds that make it up. For Conservatives modernity is understood in a negative way as an erosion of the particular types of community and order that traditional institutions provided.

And besides, the stupid thing is that I never wrote anything about "principals and some directors of prestigious high schools don't accept many people from bad suburbs". And I did never use the word "scum bitches" even once. You're just making things up as you go, without caring to read what I actually write. What I wrote is that everyone should have the right to get a good education. That is not the same thing.

Have you ever noticed the way that some people lead off an "argument" with words that are really long and official-sounding, and then descend into colloquialism and swearing?

First, it's Social Democrat, not Socio(-path) or what the heck you tried to imply with that. Second, Sweden do not have a Socialistic system, and you're just trying to imply that Sweden is a Communism. That is pure nonsens. If you ever cared to check for facts, like we others do before we write anything, you would know that the only, I repeat only, difference between Socialdemocracy/Socialliberalism and other types of Liberalism, is that Socialdemocracy/Socialliberalism includes the motto Solidarity, a concept you've proved you have no notion of. All types of Liberalisms including Socialdemocracy have the three mottos Freedom, Equality, Democracy.

Next, half of USAs population, HALF, want to have the democratic system rather than the conservative system. Have you forgotten places like California and New York? They are in USA too!!!

Maybe you should try to actually find out things for yourself, instead of being ruled by prejudiced thoughts? Oh, I forgot! That would require you to think outside the box, and force you to challenge your Conservative beliefs. Innovation is bad for you, and prejudice is good. Questioning is a threat to social order, and rational thought is evil. Nothing can be worse for the conservative than rational thought, because people who think rationally might decide to try replacing inherited institutions with new ones, something that a conservative regards as impossible.

It sounds very much on this, and your other posts, like you would like to turn USA into a police state where no one is allowed to speak his mind without having to fear the wrath of the authorities. That is the description of a Facist state. In fact you have many times resorted to Facist rhetorics in your posts. Well, I'm sorry, but half of USA's population doesn't agree with you, they agree with me. They want to have human rights and civil liberties. They do not want oppression. You seem to think that if one gives people freedom, the society will turn into an Anarchy. This is very cynic of you. You see the whole world as consisting of two sides like a coin, your side, which you see as good, and the other side, which you see as evil. I'm sorry, but the world is not two dimensional. The world is not governed by absolutes.

People who believe that the aristocracy rightfully dominates society because of its intrinsic superiority are Conservatives; Democrats, by contrast, believe that they are of equal social worth. Conservatism is the antithesis of democracy. This has been true for thousands of years.

Some conservative rhetors have taken to literally demonizing the very notion of a democratic opposition. Rush Limbaugh has argued at length that Tom Daschle resembles Satan simply because he opposes George Bush's policies. Ever since then, Limbaugh has regularly identified Daschle as "el diablo". This is the emotional heart of conservatism: the notion that the conservative order is ordained by God and that anyone and anything that opposes the conservative order is infinitely evil.

Georges, go back to school!
Michale Moore has just one right to stay polite and courteous.He has to stop spreading his hatred in every of his film.He can't bear Bush ok but he has tnot to insult him depsite he hates him.

"Just because you are born to a poor family doesn't mean you're lazy or stupid. The society is not a fixed order where everyone should stay put where they are. A poor person can very well be a whole lot smarter than you, but deprived from a good education, practical experience and patterns of thought that would be required in a democracy, he will never be able to rise to his full potential. You are not a better person than every one else by blood."Not all poor people are lazy but many of them are. Not all poor people have an intelligence and are made for studies.Not many of them have practical experience and patterns of thought.You can be a better person than another by your education and by your willingness to bring somthing useful to the society and not by taking advantage of the others.

Hierarchy always existed and will always exist.Sorry but there were always social classes everywhere.Even in firms you have the ceo, the execs and the workers.

"By depriving people of education and rights, you're trying to justify the hierarchical conservative order in terms of the values of community. You believe that everyone in a community is knitted to everyone else through a system of roles and relationships into which they are born, and which they supposedly accept and love."
As far as i know people are given full chances to make their studies if they are unable or to lazy to get the opportunity for succeeding them that is not our problem, we can't assist people all their lifes. The rest of the paragraph is typical socialism.

Some people from these suburbs are refused at work or at schools because they represent a threat and because they go against the interests of the firm or the school and also because they have an unability to adapt. You can't put them with normal people because they are unforeseenable.

"Nothing can be worse for the conservative than rational thought, because people who think rationally might decide to try replacing inherited institutions with new ones, something that a conservative regards as impossible."
Trying to change something by something worse is of course excluded unless you really want to risk the economic health of your country.

"It sounds very much on this, and your other posts, like you would like to turn USA into a police state where no one is allowed to speak his mind without having to fear the wrath of the authorities. That is the description of a Facist state. In fact you have many times resorted to Facist rhetorics in your posts. Well, I'm sorry, but half of USA's population doesn't agree with you, they agree with me. They want to have human rights and civil liberties. They do not want oppression. You seem to think that if one gives people freedom, the society will turn into an Anarchy"
Bullshit.You have laws to respect and you have to obey to them with no exception.Maybe is being a disciplinarian is frightening you?Surely because if you allow all you have anarchy.You are a socialist and you like a system where people who work hard pay for the others, right?You would like to allow all what is unthinkable.You are more evil than conservatives because according to your logic everyone should be put in the same bag.That means that even the scum will have the same rights tahn normal people:wtf: THe scum has one right to shut the fuck up, no to racket person and go to jail for life if they do something bad.Your system goes against the persons safety.

"This is the emotional heart of conservatism: the notion that the conservative order is ordained by God and that anyone and anything that opposes the conservative order is infinitely evil"
That is socialistic bullshit.I have never heard a conservative saying that. You are lying.
 

georges

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Starman said:
The extreme nature of conservatism - not just the extremity of its rhetoric but the oppressiveness of its prescriptions for society - is clear enough in the conservatives' own literature, but American culture no longer has the categories to identify what it is. Indeed, one can hear fascism, never mind conservatism, on the radio any day of the week. But Americans have mostly forgotten what fascism even is, so that they can listen to fascist rhetoric and it will actually sound kind of fresh.

On his 700 Club, Pat Robertson has on two occasions suggested a nuclear attack against the United States government. In two interviews with the author of a book critical of the United States Department of State, Robertson made suggestions that the explosion of a nuclear weapon at State Department Headquarters would be good for the country.

"What we need is for somebody to place a small nuke at Foggy Bottom" Robertson said between prayers and advertisements on his nationwide television program. Foggy Bottom is the location of the State Department headquarters. State Department officials said they believed the comments to be in extremely bad taste, and have lodged official complaints against Robertson for his remarks.

It's these people that Georges, Dirty Sanchez and Ranger support fanatically, people who sounds as extreme as NAZIS AND FACISTS at times.

Flaming us for our point views Starman:wtf:Now let me remember the past of Sweden during wwII, Sweden supplied a big amount of steel quantities to Germany, a lot german banks had gold stocks in Sweden. Some Swedes even faught with German during WWII.After WWII and more especially in the 80's-90's theer were investiagtion concerning from where was the gold from Sweden probably from the goods stolen by nazis which belong people who were killed in concentration camps by them.Despite Sweden wasn't involved in war we can consider it as an ally of the 1/3rd Reich so Starman who is nazi there????
 
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Brino

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georges said:
I have heard about the term pig yes.
Would you have the balls to say pig in front of an officer?NO .You say it behind his back.Oh yes it would matter.The place you come from, tells a lot about your education and also about the social level.
THere are limits for freedom of speech.Do you even insult your teachers and high educated people you encounter? You think taht you are all allowed.???

As a matter of fact, yes I have called a cop a pig! And yes there are limits to freedom of speech but not when it applies to insulting people on the street!

"When the Emperor has no Clothes somebody needs to have the courage and freedom to stand up and say the Emperor Has No Clothes"
- Brino
 

Brino

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georges said:
Michale Moore has just one right to stay polite and courteous.He has to stop spreading his hatred in every of his film.He can't bear Bush ok but he has tnot to insult him depsite he hates him.

He can say whatever he wants and insult whoever he wants! That's what freedom of speech is all about!

You want proof!? Ok I'll give you proof, I'm an American and I'm saying right now that George W Bush Sucks Ass and guess what I can say that all I want because of freedom of speech and you and the conservatives cant do shit about it because it's completly legal!

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Nothings happened to me yet! Lets try some more! :yesyes:

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That's freedom of speech for ya! Sucks doesnt it! :banger:
If you dont like then move to Iran! I'm sure you'll have all the things you desire there! :wave2:

Now can we drop the subject of freedom of speech since your so obviously wrong!
 

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two documents that prouve how kerry wanted to fuck up the army.
please mods thanks to approve them.
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georges

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Brino said:
He can say whatever he wants and insult whoever he wants! That's what freedom of speech is all about!

You want proof!? Ok I'll give you proof, I'm an American and I'm saying right now that George W Bush Sucks Ass and guess what I can say that all I want because of freedom of speech and you and the conservatives cant do shit about it because it's completly legal!

That's freedom of speech for ya! Sucks doesnt it! :banger:
If you dont like then move to Iran! I'm sure you'll have all the things you desire there! :wave2:

Now can we drop the subject of freedom of speech since your so obviously wrong!

You don't have the balls to say it in front of him?right ?so you have no courage and no merit.:nono:
I am sure that you would not say in front of policeman that he is a "pig" because he will give you such a beating that you will think next time that will open your mouth.
Talking behind someone's back is hypocritical and weak, you have to say something then say it in front of the person, if you can't then you are weak.
I believe you speak the same language with your neighbours and your teachers? Oh well that shows well who you are.A person with no respect for other persons thinking and acting otherwise. You want everyone helping everyone, it is impossible with people who insult and disrespect the others.Maybe with disciplined, polite and respectful it is possible.
If you insult a person one day and receives a lesson by him or her, you will have earned it because by calling persons with insults is just provocation.
Go to communist china you will probably be happier there, i don't think the us need people who are only taking advantage of the other knowledge as well as the lazy people.
 
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Brino

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georges said:
You don't have the balls to say it in front of him?right ?so you have no courage and no merit.:nono:
I am sure that you would not say in front of policeman that he is a "pig" because he will give you such a beating that you will think next time that will open your mouth.
Talking behind someone's back is hypocritical and weak, you have to say something then say it in front of the person, if you can't then you are weak.
I believe you speak the same language with your neighbours and your teachers? Oh well that shows well who you are.A person with no respect for other persons thinking and acting otherwise. You want everyone helping everyone, it is impossible with people who insult and disrespect the others.Maybe with disciplined, polite and respectful it is possible.
If you insult a person one day and receives a lesson by him or her, you will have earned it because by calling persons with insults is just provocation.
Go to communist china you will probably be happier there, i don't think the us need people who are only taking advantage of the other knowledge as well as the lazy people.

I have the balls to say it to you and I have the balls to say it to him! GWB SUCKS ASS! But since were talking about saying things to peoples face then why dont you say all the crap you spout to John Kerry's face!? Or are you going to keep talking behind his back and be "hypocritical and weak" as you so eloquently put it!

btw And like I said, Yes I have called a cop a pig before and no I didnt recieve a beating although I'm sure a violent person like yourself would love things to work that way, but they dont!
 
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btw And like I said, Yes I have called a cop a pig before and no I didnt recieve a beating although I'm sure a violent person like yourself would love things to work that way, but they dont!

Touché ! :D
 

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Brino said:
I have the balls to say it to you and I have the balls to say it to him! GWB SUCKS ASS! But since were talking about saying things to peoples face then why dont you say all the crap you spout to John Kerry's face!? Or are you going to keep talking behind his back and be "hypocritical and weak" as you so eloquently put it!

btw And like I said, Yes I have called a cop a pig before and no I didnt recieve a beating although I'm sure a violent person like yourself would love things to work that way, but they dont!
Be sure i would have kerry in front of me i would say him what i think of him. Maybe was that cop too weak and has no self respect for being insulted by you. Would it have been a person who had selfrespect for her believe me he would have given you a lesson or given you a penalty which is normal.
 

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bigdan1110 said:
Giving the finger is childish, i use to do that when i was a kid ! :D :rofl:

like touché who was from a game touché coulé remember that. so find a better argument next time.
 
georges said:
like touché who was from a game touché coulé remember that. so find a better argument next time.

I was'nt saying that in that sense... you're in France so you should know touché is a term used in fencing... ;)
 

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bigdan1110 said:
I was'nt saying that in that sense... you're in France so you should know touché is a term used in fencing... ;)

No.In france you say:"t'as pu prouver le contraire donc tu la ferme".Touché means in french touched or hurt.Touché is canadian french not the french you find in France.Not a single french says this word.
Or in France you say"T'as des preuves ?Non alors la ramène pas."
 

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bigdan1110 said:
Just forget it, you don't understand...

:nono: you aren't born in France so you will not teach me french. Touché is not a fence word in france but when you to someone "tagueule connard" that is a fence expression. Touché here means i was wrong and you wanted to prouve that Brino was correct but he wasn't.
 
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Do you even know the sport fencing ??
I've watch it in the Olympics and i clearly heard the ref say touché when someone got a point... damn it i know wath i've heard... ;)

You never stop arguing even when you're clearly wrong...

and btw, you could stop with the no no guy... because to me it mean that you're a nono (in quebec that means you're stupid).

Now, i say to, good day! .... i say good day !
 

Brino

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georges said:
Be sure i would have kerry in front of me i would say him what i think of him. Maybe was that cop too weak and has no self respect for being insulted by you. Would it have been a person who had selfrespect for her believe me he would have given you a lesson or given you a penalty which is normal.

So youd really say that to Kerry's face? Well then as you so like to say "you deserve a beating for insulting authority" isnt that the kind of society you want to live in georges!? One without freedom of speech where everybody who speaks their mind gets a beating!
 
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