What Pistol Is Best For Home Protection?
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So individuals with hours of training - far more than our novice shooter - still miss despite their training...
... but you still recommend a novice a caliber he is less likely to be able to control even though he has next to no training?
Does training matter at all then?
Provided that the shots - aimed or otherwise - don't miss.
And the chances are that a bigger round with greater recoil will have a greater chance of missing - especially when being handled by a relative 'novice'. Hence also why I recommend getting a shotgun - if we're going big, we might as well get the most spread to compensate for lack of accuracy.
"Bigger bang for your buck" is not always the best solution is all I'm sayin' - "stopping power" only comes into play if you hit and an inexperienced shooter is less likely to hit with a weapon he has less control over.
I'm not sure we are talking against each other in as much as we are talking past each other.
In any case, this entire discussion is moot - it's upto Jagger and what he finds "comfortable"
cheers,
R. (My 'carry' pistol is my Father's WWII combat tested 1911. It has been my constant companion since Vietnam).
Skyraider22
The One and Only Big Daddy
I have a Desert Eagle it is big but it gets the point across and can be real messy at close range
How about this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lzri8dn7p0
Huh? I think we have ourselves a winner :nanner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lzri8dn7p0
Huh? I think we have ourselves a winner :nanner:
Skyraider22
The One and Only Big Daddy
Agreed we have a winner I want one of those:thumbsup:
So individuals with hours of training - far more than our novice shooter - still miss despite their training...
... but you still recommend a novice a caliber he is less likely to be able to control even though he has next to no training?
Does training matter at all then?
Provided that the shots - aimed or otherwise - don't miss.
And the chances are that a bigger round with greater recoil will have a greater chance of missing - especially when being handled by a relative 'novice'. Hence also why I recommend getting a shotgun - if we're going big, we might as well get the most spread to compensate for lack of accuracy.
"Bigger bang for your buck" is not always the best solution is all I'm sayin' - "stopping power" only comes into play if you hit and an inexperienced shooter is less likely to hit with a weapon he has less control over.
I'm not sure we are talking against each other in as much as we are talking past each other.
In any case, this entire discussion is moot - it's upto Jagger and what he finds "comfortable"
cheers,
R. (My 'carry' pistol is my Father's WWII combat tested 1911. It has been my constant companion since Vietnam).
See my other posts in this thread. I covered all of what you question in your post.
(BTW, kudos on the .45 ACP:thumbsup
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
The best gun is the one that you are comfortable with. You'll get dozens of opinions here, based mostly on what the poster prefers. I either own or have owned about every brand and (popular) caliber that there is. I like most Walthers, Sigs and H&K's. One of my Berettas developed some feeding problems after a short time and I never felt comfortable with it after that - but overall, I think Beretta makes good weapons. I've owned Glocks for about 20 years and have never had a problem with any of them. I'm not a fanboi... I just go with what works, ya know? And especially for new shooters, in the heat of the moment, you don't have to remember to drop the safety off with a Glock. Like a revolver, as long as a round is chambered, you aim... you fire. Pretty simple. My primary in-home weapon is a Glock 22 (.40 cal). If there is some sort of major problem outside, then one of the more exotic (and high capacity ) "game changers" would come out. With the mag extension, the Glock fits my hand very well. If your wife is going to use the same weapon, you might have to compromise with something that will fit her hand, as well as yours. I bought a Glock 19 (9mm) for my mother. I can shoot it well enough, but it feels rather tiny in my hand.
There's no perfect answer. As someone suggested on the first page, go to a range/gun shop that will allow you to rent various guns for a few hours (pretty common). The only thing I wouldn't do is get an off brand cheapo (Davis, etc.). If there's any chance that you might have to use this weapon to protect yourself or your family, don't be shy about spending the money for a quality weapon: Glock, Walther, H&K, S&W, Colt, Beretta, Sig, etc.
At some point, I'd like to take the leap to an H&K MP5. The cost of ownership (purchase price + licensing) is pretty high, but it's total sweetness, baby... total sweetness! :bowdown:
) "game changers" would come out. With the mag extension, the Glock fits my hand very well. If your wife is going to use the same weapon, you might have to compromise with something that will fit her hand, as well as yours. I bought a Glock 19 (9mm) for my mother. I can shoot it well enough, but it feels rather tiny in my hand.There's no perfect answer. As someone suggested on the first page, go to a range/gun shop that will allow you to rent various guns for a few hours (pretty common). The only thing I wouldn't do is get an off brand cheapo (Davis, etc.). If there's any chance that you might have to use this weapon to protect yourself or your family, don't be shy about spending the money for a quality weapon: Glock, Walther, H&K, S&W, Colt, Beretta, Sig, etc.
At some point, I'd like to take the leap to an H&K MP5. The cost of ownership (purchase price + licensing) is pretty high, but it's total sweetness, baby... total sweetness! :bowdown:
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Oh yeah, before I forget, let me offer something to the board. Speaking of guns, Chica, from Chica's Place, knows a thing or two about firearms. If you want to see something hot, there's a set of her firing an MP5 (not an SP89... I'm talkin' the real deal, select fire MP5!).
I think she still posts here. Get her in here. She might be able to offer some views from a girl's perspective.
You can have Sarah Palin (and don't bring her back to camp). If I could pick a female shooting partner, it would be Chica. Sweetie seems to know her stuff.
I think she still posts here. Get her in here. She might be able to offer some views from a girl's perspective.
You can have Sarah Palin (and don't bring her back to camp). If I could pick a female shooting partner, it would be Chica. Sweetie seems to know her stuff.
All except this one I s'ppose
Thanks(BTW, kudos on the .45 ACP:thumbsup
It's over 60 years old.
It still shoots as true as the day my Father shot it in anger at Guadalcanal through Okinawa.
"I survived" three tours of Vietnam at its side.
My son thinks it's an 'heirloom' (he doesn't dislike it... he's just all big into the H&Ks and the CZs - the former I'm not so sure about but the latter I heartily recommend).
My daughter on the other hand recognizes the pistol for what it truly is...
... a piece of genuine history and a connection with the past. A tool that helped keep her 'Grampa' and her 'Papa' safe.
cheers,
R
RogueAlan
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the best weapon for home protection is the one in your hand & not the intruders...
seriously, I'd go with a Remington 870 or Mossberg in 12 gauge... just racking the slide is usually enough to make bad guys look elsewhere. Plus, you don't have to be a dead eye to hit them. & frangible rounds won't go through the wall & kill your kiddo.
pistols are for close range, comfortable shooters. don't fall for the 'what if they have your wife hostage' crap... can you hit them in that stress situation with a short barrel pistol? Experts train every day to do that. I use a shotgun for home defense, & I carry a handgun most days.
If you are choosing a handgun, remember that 9mm rounds have the old problem of .38 rounds... don't knock down. The .40/ 10mm is a good compromise for more rounds in the mag & less recoil vs. the .45, but there's still nothing that stops like the .45. & Glock, Kimber, & Bersa to name 2 high end & 1 economy handles, have nice compact versions. While I presently carry Bersa most days, the reliability of Glock has impressed me.
WHATEVER you choose, also choose to take lessons/ classes, AND to shoot regularly at the range. & consider the frangible handgun rounds, too, for family protection.
regards, & safe shooting
RA
seriously, I'd go with a Remington 870 or Mossberg in 12 gauge... just racking the slide is usually enough to make bad guys look elsewhere. Plus, you don't have to be a dead eye to hit them. & frangible rounds won't go through the wall & kill your kiddo.
pistols are for close range, comfortable shooters. don't fall for the 'what if they have your wife hostage' crap... can you hit them in that stress situation with a short barrel pistol? Experts train every day to do that. I use a shotgun for home defense, & I carry a handgun most days.
If you are choosing a handgun, remember that 9mm rounds have the old problem of .38 rounds... don't knock down. The .40/ 10mm is a good compromise for more rounds in the mag & less recoil vs. the .45, but there's still nothing that stops like the .45. & Glock, Kimber, & Bersa to name 2 high end & 1 economy handles, have nice compact versions. While I presently carry Bersa most days, the reliability of Glock has impressed me.
WHATEVER you choose, also choose to take lessons/ classes, AND to shoot regularly at the range. & consider the frangible handgun rounds, too, for family protection.
regards, & safe shooting
RA
All except this one I s'ppose
Thanks
It's over 60 years old.
It still shoots as true as the day my Father shot it in anger at Guadalcanal through Okinawa.
"I survived" three tours of Vietnam at its side.
My son thinks it's an 'heirloom' (he doesn't dislike it... he's just all big into the H&Ks and the CZs - the former I'm not so sure about but the latter I heartily recommend).
My daughter on the other hand recognizes the pistol for what it truly is...
... a piece of genuine history and a connection with the past. A tool that helped keep her 'Grampa' and her 'Papa' safe.
cheers,
Colt makes new semi custom 1911s but in small quantities. Unfortunately the ambidextrous safety, the power extractor and high capacity magazine is what a basic gi 1911 or 1911a1 or governemnet series 70 or 80 model 1911 is lacking. Para Ordnance is my best bet when it comes to hi capacity 1911 based 45acp pistols much better than Glock or than Springfield with the XD. I have shot with a p14-45 limited and it is very accurate, reliable and it offers plenty of firepower. It is a single action pistol but it has many refinements that a +2000$ custom 1911 has. http://www.paraord.com/new/product_reviews.php?id=11
For those who don't know Para, it is a great canadian firearms brand making very good 1911 high capacity based pistols with excellent accuracy.
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Of course it matters....I just cited instances in which people who've had far more training than the average novice failing to hit targets in close quarter situations. I think it's pretty instructive for a novice to understand sometimes it doesn't happen like they see in the movies and to take that into consideration when choosing a firearm for home protection.
All of this was under the premise of my original suggestion that novice would stand a greater chance of defending himself with a shotgun all other factors being equal.
I am not experienced enough to feel entitled to advise you, but I definitely endorse a lot of what others have said. It is definitely very important to practise regularly and as often as possible (due to some financial problems I have handled recently I have had to reduce my going to firing range - it is not a low priced hobby in my country - and I must say that my skills have worsened considerably). I would also recommend you to try various firearms during one session, shoot some 10-15 cartridges from one, try another and repeat. Take notes of what you like and dislike on a particular gun to exclude those you are not comfortable with and to narrow the scale you will choose a model suitable enough to you.
I have tried only a few types and, without considering my conclusion as a general truth, I wasn't comfortable with Glocks at all. Another pistol that I didn't find suitable to me was Sig-Sauer 226, but the problem was probably in my relatively small hand (the grip of Sig-Sauer seems too thick to me).
The gun that seemed most convenient to me when I was about to decide to buy one was CZ-75. It is very comfortable in my hand, its controls are well placed (the only minus is the position of the magazine stop), its trigger pull weight is relatively low even at Double-Action mode of firing. The accuracy is very high (having taken into consideration that my skills are far from good) and the maintenance (disassembly and assembly when cleaning) is very easy. I am very glad that even experienced marksmen like Roughneck and Facetious can endorse my satisfaction.
There are several models of CZ-75 that differ in material the gun is made of, safety elememnts, barrel lenght and magazine capacity. I use the model CZ-75 SemiCompact (calibre 9x19 mm) that has the barrel shortened (like CZ-75 Compact), but full magazine capacity (like CZ-75B).
I have tried only a few types and, without considering my conclusion as a general truth, I wasn't comfortable with Glocks at all. Another pistol that I didn't find suitable to me was Sig-Sauer 226, but the problem was probably in my relatively small hand (the grip of Sig-Sauer seems too thick to me).
The gun that seemed most convenient to me when I was about to decide to buy one was CZ-75. It is very comfortable in my hand, its controls are well placed (the only minus is the position of the magazine stop), its trigger pull weight is relatively low even at Double-Action mode of firing. The accuracy is very high (having taken into consideration that my skills are far from good) and the maintenance (disassembly and assembly when cleaning) is very easy. I am very glad that even experienced marksmen like Roughneck and Facetious can endorse my satisfaction.
There are several models of CZ-75 that differ in material the gun is made of, safety elememnts, barrel lenght and magazine capacity. I use the model CZ-75 SemiCompact (calibre 9x19 mm) that has the barrel shortened (like CZ-75 Compact), but full magazine capacity (like CZ-75B).
