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That quote is from The West Wing, which Lawrence O'Donnell was a producer and writer for. Here's the clip
Ace Boobtoucher
Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
The history of the U.S. politically has produced a balanced liberal vs. conservative policy. The premise of your statement is without logic or thought. the history of the U.S. politically has produced a balanced liberal vs. conservative policy. Our checks and balances in our system do pretty good of keeping a balance between liberal and conservative ideals in chosing policy, particularly domestic policy. The modern conservative - the Reagan-Gingrich conservatives are typified by the Federalist Society, small government, States Rights and strict construction. All of this is a throwback to James Madison. We are the greatest nation in the world because we have been able to restrain the central government to prevent many of the abuses seen elsewhere and to maintain a free market economy despite the efforts of the modern socialist liberals who would rather see us tinkering with failed economic systems and greater government control.
The term liberal connotes government taking the role of not only equalizing opportunity(Constitutional Right) but going further to equalize outcome even if it means infringing on the rights of others who have already realized the desired outcome.
It is impossible to satisfy every American. It is so diverse now, that electing a Republican or Democrat wont make anyone happy or solve any problems.
There are so many different political, religious beliefs, even languages now. Politicians are more concerned which major corporation or lobbyist is whispering in their ear while lining their pockets that there will never be any real solution to any American problems.
The term liberal connotes government taking the role of not only equalizing opportunity(Constitutional Right) but going further to equalize outcome even if it means infringing on the rights of others who have already realized the desired outcome.
It is impossible to satisfy every American. It is so diverse now, that electing a Republican or Democrat wont make anyone happy or solve any problems.
There are so many different political, religious beliefs, even languages now. Politicians are more concerned which major corporation or lobbyist is whispering in their ear while lining their pockets that there will never be any real solution to any American problems.
politics make me sick. wipe the slate clean, start over from square one. :2 cents:
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They ended segregation, fine, but why do they shove multiculturalism, multilingualism and ethnic studies down the throats of today's largely fatherless young and impressionable populous? :1orglaugh
And why is there a need for all of these individual advocacy groups for seemingly each and every race?
And why are the libs uncomfortable with the english language being to standard language of the land?
And how many different languages is the California ballot printed in and why?
And why does affirmative action employ race as the sole criteria for who does and who doesn't get a government job?
Gets it! :clap: :hatsoff: Must be over .... say... 35 years of age? :1orglaugh
And why is there a need for all of these individual advocacy groups for seemingly each and every race?
And why are the libs uncomfortable with the english language being to standard language of the land?
And how many different languages is the California ballot printed in and why?
And why does affirmative action employ race as the sole criteria for who does and who doesn't get a government job?
deathproof 69 said:
Gets it! :clap: :hatsoff: Must be over .... say... 35 years of age? :1orglaugh
Civil Rights and ending segregation were agreed upon by both sides of the aisle. Not any one side can claim responsibility for those. That's just ignorant. Sure, Liberals started Social Security and Medicare under FDR and look how that has evolved and where it has gotten us. Not something I would want to brag about. Heck, most of us paying into SS will NEVER see that money when we retire by age 72 (if we're lucky). Look at how much abuse is rampant amongst Medicare, Medicaid, and all other government programs! Just yesterday, I was listening to the local Cleveland, OH radio talk show and a caller phoned in to brag how he was skimming the system. He gets his Ohio Directional Card (that's food stamps) and goes to a big box supermarket store (BJ's, Costco, etc.) and buys top of the line food and then sells them to small locally owned grocery stores at half cost. That's how he gets money for dope. Only in America. If you are poor in America, you are stupid.
Sam Fisher
Banned
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...#ixzz1lKhI31zh
January 30, 2012
MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell gets his facts wrong
James G. Wiles
Normally I'd give MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell's points for honesty. Like Vermont's U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders, O'Donnell has made no bones about the fact he's a socialist. Take it or leave it, O'Donnell tells you where he's coming from.
He may not be the only socialist on MSNBC. But O'Donnell tells you straight-up that's who he is. Good for him.
It's truly astonishing, therefore, to find the host of The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell getting so many important facts wrong on a major subject of American history: the Civil Rights Revolution of the 1960's and '70's. In particular, O'Donnell flat out, err, lies about the role of the Republican Party in the legal destruction of the Jim Crow regime in the American South.
Where does this come from? It's not like O'Donnell didn't live through that era. He was born in 1951 - three years before Brown vs. Board of Education. He was in high school in the 1960's, in college in the '70's. What happened to Lawrence O'Donnell's memory?
I think I have a clue.
To begin, here's Lawrence O'Donnell's indictment of the GOP, posted just in time for sharing on Facebook during the recent observance of the Martin Luther King Holiday:
"What did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican Party? I'll tell you what they did.
"Liberals got women the right to vote.
"Liberals got African Americans the right to vote.
"Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty.
"Liberals ended segregation.
"Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act.
"Liberals created Medicare.
"Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act.
"What did Conservatives do?
"They opposed them on every one of those things, every one.
"So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, "Liberal," as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won't work, because I will pick that label up and wear it as a badge of honor."
Now, there are actually two separate and independent things wrong with Lawrence O'Donnell screed.
First, his "facts" aren't facts. They're false.
Second, O'Donnell's commits the classic white liberal fallacy of condescension towards African Americans. He presumes to believe that, somehow, white liberals freed American blacks from Jim Crow. It's this condescending premise -- African Americans should owe Democrats big because Democrats, unlike the evil Republicans, set them free (as the phrase goes) -- which forms the basis of the so-called Liberal Plantation.
More on that in a minute. First, Lawrence O'Donnell's false facts.
It will be observed, preliminarily, that O'Donnell's rant turns on a sleight-of-hand. To wit, he substitutes the word "liberal" for the word "Democrat." He also speaks of "conservatives," rather than "Republicans."
Why?
Well, because, otherwise, MSNBC's successor to Keith Olbermann couldn't bring the whole thing off with a straight face. Most of the people he brands as "conservatives" were actually Democrats.
Just take a look and see if you agree:
Regarding women's suffrage, the first progressive president, Democrat Woodrow Wilson, in fact, opposed giving the vote to women.
A racist Southerner, President Wilson fired African Americans from the federal employment rolls, introduced Jim Crow laws to Washington, stopped federal prosecutions of civil rights violations (including peonage) in the South and screened D.W. Griffith's Birth of a Nation at the White House. He also instituted a legal reign of terror against socialists, pacifists, German-Americans and others opposing America's entry into the First World War.
Wilson did later change his mind about women's suffrage. Indeed, in 1919, he played a key role in securing its passage. Yet, it was the Republican-controlled U.S. House of
Representatives which put the Nineteenth Amendment on the way to ratification. And
most of the states which ratified the Amendment were controlled by Republicans -- just as the first Western states to give the vote to women were Republican.
What retarded the success of the women's suffrage movement for many years was not Republican opposition. It was the cause's linkage to African American suffrage -- a cause Democrats vehemently opposed.
It was Chief Justice Earl Warren (a former Republican governor of California and Vice Presidential candidate) who led the U. S. Supreme Court in 1954 to strike down the 1893 precedent of Plessy v. Ferguson permitting "separate but equal" accommodations for blacks and whites. It was Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower who used the United States Army in Little Rock, Arkansas, in 1957 to desegregate the high school. The government leaders who were opposing desegregation were Democrats.
In 1957, a Republican Senate under President Eisenhower also passed the first Civil Rights Act of the modern era. Among other things, it created the Civil Rights Division in the U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Civil Rights Commission.
During the 1950's and '60's, it was primarily Republican federal judges nominated by President Eisenhower who issued injunctions desegregating schools, stores, universities and public transportation and accommodations across the South.
Since 1868, the GOP has supported African American suffrage.
During the Reconstruction era, Republicans ran on a platform which said "now is the Negro's hour," while the Democrats' platform was "this is a white man's country." As chronicled by Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism dean Nicholas Lemann in Redemption: the Last Battle of the Civil War (2006), it was Democrats who waged a successful insurgency across the former Confederacy in the 1870's to force the withdrawal of federal troops, the overthrow of Republican state governments and an end to Reconstruction. The result, as the title of Douglas A. Blackmon's 2008 Pulitzer Prize-winning book makes clear, was Slavery by Another Name.
It was Democratic President Woodrow Wilson who, as noted above, institutionalized Jim
Crow at the federal level beginning in 1913, after Democrats in one-party Southern states had already systematically deprived African Americans of their legal, civil and economic rights during the 1880's and '90's.
Most Republicans voted for the Voting Rights Act of 1965, while Southern Democrats
voted against it. In fact, higher percentages of Congressional Republicans
voted for passage of the Voting Rights Act than did Democrats. Southern Democrats, of course, earlier signed the Southern Manifesto - and repeatedly filibustered proposed civil rights laws and other bills intended to eradicate racial discrimination and its consequences from American society.
School desegregation, including the use of forced busing to achieve racial balance, was actually carried out under the Republican Administration of President Richard M. Nixon. Southern Democrats fought busing and integration to the end. Republicans enforced it.
The Clean Water Act and Clean Air Act were passed during the Nixon Administration also. President Nixon signed the bills into law, organized and staffed the new federal agency (the EPA) and enforced the laws.
The first majority-African American Congressional districts were created in the re-districting after the 1990 Census, led by the DOJ of Republican President George H. W. Bush.
Dr. Martin Luther King, like his father and most African Americans of his time, was a Republican.
Of all the deserved tributes to Dr. King uttered on each January 17th, his party affiliation is the one which is never mentioned. Next time you're in a playful mood, tell a Democratic friend that little fact and watch what happens...And remember to stand well back.
Thus, the true facts. Now, here's the other fallacy in Lawrence O'Donnell's screed.
White liberals didn't "free" African Americans. African Americans "freed" African Americans. Not just Dr. King and Ralph Abernathy and thousands of others marching, demonstrating, staging boycotts or going to jail, but tireless trial lawyers like Thurgood Marshall, the NAACP's Inc. Fund and many, many more. The black churches played a central role.
African Americans, using the weapons of the Christian gospel of universal equality, non-violence and ceaseless, unremitting litigation in the courts fought, marched, suffered and, sometimes, died to set themselves free. They -- not white liberals -- own that freedom, because they and their parents -- not white liberals -- took it. That is the central reality contradicting the false Liberal Myth which Lawrence O'Donnell, MSNBC and the rest peddle every Martin Luther King Day.
African Americans don't owe their freedom to white liberal Democrats.
Finally, there's an odd coincidence to this little story.
From 1989-1995, Lawrence O'Donnell was a key legislative aide to New York's U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Moynihan, as a social scientist, cared a great deal about facts. It was Senator Moynihan who famously said that, while we are all entitled to our own opinions, we're not entitled to our own facts.
Apparently, Lawrence O'Donnell was out of the room when Senator Moynihan said that.
Too bad. Maybe as penance, O'Donnell should read Walter Russell Mead's fine essay in the current American Interest on the changing meaning of the word "liberal." It's part of a continuing, important series by Professor Mead on the on-going collapse of what he calls "blue America."
I hope this makes Lawrence O'Donnell feel blue.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...nnell_gets_his_facts_wrong.html#ixzz1lKhI31zh
January 30, 2012
MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell gets his facts wrong
James G. Wiles
Normally I'd give MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell's points for honesty. Like Vermont's U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders, O'Donnell has made no bones about the fact he's a socialist. Take it or leave it, O'Donnell tells you where he's coming from.
He may not be the only socialist on MSNBC. But O'Donnell tells you straight-up that's who he is. Good for him.
It's truly astonishing, therefore, to find the host of The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell getting so many important facts wrong on a major subject of American history: the Civil Rights Revolution of the 1960's and '70's. In particular, O'Donnell flat out, err, lies about the role of the Republican Party in the legal destruction of the Jim Crow regime in the American South.
Where does this come from? It's not like O'Donnell didn't live through that era. He was born in 1951 - three years before Brown vs. Board of Education. He was in high school in the 1960's, in college in the '70's. What happened to Lawrence O'Donnell's memory?
I think I have a clue.
To begin, here's Lawrence O'Donnell's indictment of the GOP, posted just in time for sharing on Facebook during the recent observance of the Martin Luther King Holiday:
"What did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican Party? I'll tell you what they did.
"Liberals got women the right to vote.
"Liberals got African Americans the right to vote.
"Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty.
"Liberals ended segregation.
"Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act.
"Liberals created Medicare.
"Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act.
"What did Conservatives do?
"They opposed them on every one of those things, every one.
"So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, "Liberal," as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won't work, because I will pick that label up and wear it as a badge of honor."
Now, there are actually two separate and independent things wrong with Lawrence O'Donnell screed.
First, his "facts" aren't facts. They're false.
Second, O'Donnell's commits the classic white liberal fallacy of condescension towards African Americans. He presumes to believe that, somehow, white liberals freed American blacks from Jim Crow. It's this condescending premise -- African Americans should owe Democrats big because Democrats, unlike the evil Republicans, set them free (as the phrase goes) -- which forms the basis of the so-called Liberal Plantation.
More on that in a minute. First, Lawrence O'Donnell's false facts.
It will be observed, preliminarily, that O'Donnell's rant turns on a sleight-of-hand. To wit, he substitutes the word "liberal" for the word "Democrat." He also speaks of "conservatives," rather than "Republicans."
Why?
Well, because, otherwise, MSNBC's successor to Keith Olbermann couldn't bring the whole thing off with a straight face. Most of the people he brands as "conservatives" were actually Democrats.
Just take a look and see if you agree:
Regarding women's suffrage, the first progressive president, Democrat Woodrow Wilson, in fact, opposed giving the vote to women.
A racist Southerner, President Wilson fired African Americans from the federal employment rolls, introduced Jim Crow laws to Washington, stopped federal prosecutions of civil rights violations (including peonage) in the South and screened D.W. Griffith's Birth of a Nation at the White House. He also instituted a legal reign of terror against socialists, pacifists, German-Americans and others opposing America's entry into the First World War.
Wilson did later change his mind about women's suffrage. Indeed, in 1919, he played a key role in securing its passage. Yet, it was the Republican-controlled U.S. House of
Representatives which put the Nineteenth Amendment on the way to ratification. And
most of the states which ratified the Amendment were controlled by Republicans -- just as the first Western states to give the vote to women were Republican.
What retarded the success of the women's suffrage movement for many years was not Republican opposition. It was the cause's linkage to African American suffrage -- a cause Democrats vehemently opposed.
It was Chief Justice Earl Warren (a former Republican governor of California and Vice Presidential candidate) who led the U. S. Supreme Court in 1954 to strike down the 1893 precedent of Plessy v. Ferguson permitting "separate but equal" accommodations for blacks and whites. It was Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower who used the United States Army in Little Rock, Arkansas, in 1957 to desegregate the high school. The government leaders who were opposing desegregation were Democrats.
In 1957, a Republican Senate under President Eisenhower also passed the first Civil Rights Act of the modern era. Among other things, it created the Civil Rights Division in the U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Civil Rights Commission.
During the 1950's and '60's, it was primarily Republican federal judges nominated by President Eisenhower who issued injunctions desegregating schools, stores, universities and public transportation and accommodations across the South.
Since 1868, the GOP has supported African American suffrage.
During the Reconstruction era, Republicans ran on a platform which said "now is the Negro's hour," while the Democrats' platform was "this is a white man's country." As chronicled by Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism dean Nicholas Lemann in Redemption: the Last Battle of the Civil War (2006), it was Democrats who waged a successful insurgency across the former Confederacy in the 1870's to force the withdrawal of federal troops, the overthrow of Republican state governments and an end to Reconstruction. The result, as the title of Douglas A. Blackmon's 2008 Pulitzer Prize-winning book makes clear, was Slavery by Another Name.
It was Democratic President Woodrow Wilson who, as noted above, institutionalized Jim
Crow at the federal level beginning in 1913, after Democrats in one-party Southern states had already systematically deprived African Americans of their legal, civil and economic rights during the 1880's and '90's.
Most Republicans voted for the Voting Rights Act of 1965, while Southern Democrats
voted against it. In fact, higher percentages of Congressional Republicans
voted for passage of the Voting Rights Act than did Democrats. Southern Democrats, of course, earlier signed the Southern Manifesto - and repeatedly filibustered proposed civil rights laws and other bills intended to eradicate racial discrimination and its consequences from American society.
School desegregation, including the use of forced busing to achieve racial balance, was actually carried out under the Republican Administration of President Richard M. Nixon. Southern Democrats fought busing and integration to the end. Republicans enforced it.
The Clean Water Act and Clean Air Act were passed during the Nixon Administration also. President Nixon signed the bills into law, organized and staffed the new federal agency (the EPA) and enforced the laws.
The first majority-African American Congressional districts were created in the re-districting after the 1990 Census, led by the DOJ of Republican President George H. W. Bush.
Dr. Martin Luther King, like his father and most African Americans of his time, was a Republican.
Of all the deserved tributes to Dr. King uttered on each January 17th, his party affiliation is the one which is never mentioned. Next time you're in a playful mood, tell a Democratic friend that little fact and watch what happens...And remember to stand well back.
Thus, the true facts. Now, here's the other fallacy in Lawrence O'Donnell's screed.
White liberals didn't "free" African Americans. African Americans "freed" African Americans. Not just Dr. King and Ralph Abernathy and thousands of others marching, demonstrating, staging boycotts or going to jail, but tireless trial lawyers like Thurgood Marshall, the NAACP's Inc. Fund and many, many more. The black churches played a central role.
African Americans, using the weapons of the Christian gospel of universal equality, non-violence and ceaseless, unremitting litigation in the courts fought, marched, suffered and, sometimes, died to set themselves free. They -- not white liberals -- own that freedom, because they and their parents -- not white liberals -- took it. That is the central reality contradicting the false Liberal Myth which Lawrence O'Donnell, MSNBC and the rest peddle every Martin Luther King Day.
African Americans don't owe their freedom to white liberal Democrats.
Finally, there's an odd coincidence to this little story.
From 1989-1995, Lawrence O'Donnell was a key legislative aide to New York's U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Moynihan, as a social scientist, cared a great deal about facts. It was Senator Moynihan who famously said that, while we are all entitled to our own opinions, we're not entitled to our own facts.
Apparently, Lawrence O'Donnell was out of the room when Senator Moynihan said that.
Too bad. Maybe as penance, O'Donnell should read Walter Russell Mead's fine essay in the current American Interest on the changing meaning of the word "liberal." It's part of a continuing, important series by Professor Mead on the on-going collapse of what he calls "blue America."
I hope this makes Lawrence O'Donnell feel blue.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...nnell_gets_his_facts_wrong.html#ixzz1lKhI31zh
Sam Fisher
Banned
My post right above this one is very similar to the one I posted a few days ago that caused some people to melt down and call for me to be banned. Jagger even went so far as to ridicule me for using such a "lame" link. And Dirk suggested Jagger be POTW nominee for putting me in my place and proving I was wrong.
Jagger and others dismissed the link I posted from the NBRA a few days back. Ridiculed me no less. Yet it looks to me as if I had my FACTS correct when most everyone in here was calling me an asshole, retard, racist, etc. Yet for some reason a guy from a television show is more credible and believable?
I tried telling you all the REAL truth about who did what for the blacks in this country, and I was practically Tarred & Feathered. Like I told Jagger, it's all in the Congressional Voting Records.
Jagger and others dismissed the link I posted from the NBRA a few days back. Ridiculed me no less. Yet it looks to me as if I had my FACTS correct when most everyone in here was calling me an asshole, retard, racist, etc. Yet for some reason a guy from a television show is more credible and believable?
I tried telling you all the REAL truth about who did what for the blacks in this country, and I was practically Tarred & Feathered. Like I told Jagger, it's all in the Congressional Voting Records.
Which one Olympia or Michael? because if it is Michael you better stock up on air freshener. Wait it's Paul Tsongas that is dead, meh it's all Greek to me.
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You mean school? Because being educated is better than being uneducated.
Because minority rights is one of the basic tenets this country was founded on.
Do you speak Cherokee? How about Navaho or Apache?
I don't know how many but the why of it is because there's a significant enough number of people that speak those languages to warrant it.
Good question. How would you like to expand it?
Too bad you don't.
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chomsky > all
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Party affiliation and "liberal" or "conservative" have changed over the years. You deserved all the names and ridicule. You're the biggest troll I've ever seen on any forum, and that's saying a lot.
Sam Fisher
Banned
From my thread titled (Most in here can't handle the truth) a few days ago stating the Republicans did more for the Blacks in this country than anyone else. This was Jagger's comment to me...
Jagger, actually the Republicans have been involved in the civil rights of blacks for well over 100 years. Not just the last fifty.
Jagger, actually the Republicans have been involved in the civil rights of blacks for well over 100 years. Not just the last fifty.
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That's because Jagger's right and you're wrong. The only faction of the democratic party that's ever been anti-civil rights was the Dixie-crats. They all defected to the republican party in the late sixties and are the reason the south went from democratic to republican.
If you don't want people to attack you, Sam, you should try to make amends for being a troll and stop posting troll threads.
Do you know why the south was solidly democratic after the Civil War, Sam? Because Lincoln, a republican, stole their free labor. It wasn't until the 1960's, when the democratic party took up the mantle of civil rights that all those southern democrats became republicans.
If you don't want people to attack you, Sam, you should try to make amends for being a troll and stop posting troll threads.
Do you know why the south was solidly democratic after the Civil War, Sam? Because Lincoln, a republican, stole their free labor. It wasn't until the 1960's, when the democratic party took up the mantle of civil rights that all those southern democrats became republicans.
Sam Fisher
Banned
Listen, you have no idea what you are talking about. Your above quote proves just that. Do yourself a favor and hit the books, HISTORY BOOKS. And then, come back and let's debate.
You see, the difference between you and me is; I know my HISTORY. You don't. I read and get my facts from history books. You prefer television's talking head celebrities from The West Wing for your knowledge of history.
I'll say it once more... the FACTS about the Republicans doing more for the civil rights for blacks is on RECORD from the Congressional Archives. Get it? HISTORICAL RECORDS! ..not some lame television show starring Martin Sheen.
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id say the problem is 50 years after the fact, were still arguing over shit thats not important. i know the thread is obviously a biased one...but i dunno. political language changes and twists throughout history....this is no revelation. fact is, it wasnt a party or an idealogy that got shit done. it was the people and the movement.
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