What Is The World To Do With North Korea???

[Bloodshot Scott]

To both Facetious and Professor,

I recall vividly both of you supporting Dr. Paul, if not whole-heartedly, at least to some extent. Well, what would Ron Paul do? http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Ron+Paul+Bring+Troops+Home+&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8 I have a hunch that the good doctor would be "isolationist" on the matter. I understand it's a complicated issue but what is the problem with neutrality? :dunno:

 

[Member2019]

To both Facetious and Professor: I recall vividly both of you supporting Dr. Paul

I did not! I'm tired of people saying I supported Clinton, W., Paul, McCain, Obama, etc... I will point out select leaders/candidates when they make a valid point. I never blindly side with anyone.

About the only candidates I've ever trusted, and even then still took issue with at times, have been Ross Perot and Michael Bednarik. Please do not assume I ever supported Paul's candidacy. I only supported some of his select Libertarian views, or "compromises" on socialist ideas (like states being the focal point, instead of federal).

if not whole-heartedly, at least to some extent. Well, what would Ron Paul do? http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Ron+Paul+Bring+Troops+Home+&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8 I have a hunch that the good doctor would be "isolationist" on the matter.

The ProfV platform:
Pull the fuck out of everywhere except the Americas. It worked well for us until 1956. And then we fucked the British and French, only to fuck ourselves.
The problem? The industrial nations of the EU are toast. If you haven't noticed, that's why they've been pushing the "cross Atlantic engagements" as of late, because it's hitting hard.
But I reached that point in the early '90s, and started leaning towards that way after the Pershing II deployments in 1983.

I understand it's a complicated issue but what is the problem with neutrality? :dunno:

Our "neutrality" officially ended in 1994. We took on a set of bi-lateral agreements -- between North Korea and the US only -- that have been the source of major pain from 1994-2006. It wasn't until 2007+ that North Korea was finally stupid enough to piss everyone else off and get everyone firmly in the UN against them. In this latest set of issues, China is now firmly against them, and really beyond pissed off (in a strategic sense).

Before then, North Korea repeatedly used the 1994 agreement, an agreement solely with the US, to twist and stab in the hope of more concessions. It was a huge mistake, and everyone else in the 6 party talks as well as the UN agrees it was stupid. But that's Jimmy Carter for you. It only works when you are the mediator, not a party (like in Egypt and Israel). Because if you are seen as the party, you can be hit with repeat rhetoric and claims of violations.

 

[Facetious]

But like it or not, the NK's should have been dealt with a long time ago

C'mon Spyder ! Madeline Allnotsobright DID in fact "take care" of the North Koreans, Champagne glasses - o - clingin and all. :bubbly:
Did you not receive her card ?

Rejoice already ! We're safe ! Really now, don't rekindle old fires now . . .
A glass of Louis Roederer Crystal now for you, sir ?

: as the sky sounds as if it about to split in two due to two F/A - 18 Hornets haulin ass overhead, just barely subsonic, headed in a North Northwesterly direction :
That was an unusual coincidence. :shocked:

 

[Facetious]

Sorry Scott, I'm playing Ketchup here,:tongue: I'm a couple of days behind. :o
I can only speculate that Doc Paul understands that N Korea is, for all intents and purposes, a wholly owned subsidiary of the PRC. Since the PRC now holds title to America, I don't know that we have a crippled leg to stand on.

I'm just bracing for the morning when I wake up only to learn that the PRC holds the key to the white house.

Think I'm kiddin ?

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Sorry Scott, I'm playing Ketchup here,:tongue: I'm a couple of days behind. :o
I can only speculate that Doc Paul understands that N Korea is, for all intents and purposes, a wholly owned subsidiary of the PRC. Since the PRC now holds title to America, I don't know that we have a crippled leg to stand on.

I'm just bracing for the morning when I wake up only to learn that the PRC holds the key to the white house.

Think I'm kiddin ?

No I suppose that would certainly be a possbility. China is only 4 times the size of us. :eek: Remember that spectacle at the Beijing games. Wow...they certainly have the manpower.

 

[Facetious]

No I suppose that would certainly be a possbility. China is only 4 times the size of us. :eek: Remember that spectacle at the Beijing games. Wow...they certainly have the manpower.

Yes and, last I checked - China has created an imbalance of the sexes. There's something like 10 to 18 million more men than women in China. Think about that :shocked: A self induced polulation disproportion (via eugenics) Scary shit ! China could conceivably loose the 10 - 18 million men in war and come out smellin like roses. :crash:

I tell you, theses coms are a freak show, here, there and everywhere !



*If you weren't on the up and up about what I was referring to in my last post
this should clarify it. :uohs:

 

[bodie54]

And wasn't there multiple tons of yellow cake *siezed within the boundaries of Iraq ?
And doesn't yellow cake show intent of manufacturing WMD ?

This link should answer your questions

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/yellowcake.asp

 

[miles123]

I am going to regress about and talk about Japan if I may, as I noticed some references here and there. Though I am not as well versed in Japan ( I tend to adhere to my wife who has spent much more time there than I and is fluent). The issue I can't understand is with all the major grievances Japan has with DPRK, why do they allow so many North Korean/ Japanese duality citizens to aid the DPRK financially?

North Korea recieves a large amount of private funding from familiy members of DPRK nationals that are wealthy and working in Japan. Kick them out, sieze banking transactions, etc... There are numerous things you could do besides allowing them to make money of off pachinko parlours or whatever they are doing and then sending it to the North. I'm not talking money given to family members, as most Koreans in Japan know even with money in North Korea, the problem is there is nothing to buy in the stores so the money only helps so much. I'm talking about private funding that directly goes to party members, government institutions, or any other pie that Kim can get his greasy fingers into.

This causes social stress as well in my opinion. With the former Japanese occupation of Korea still lingering in the minds of many older generation Koreans (both North and South), this certainly doesn't help relations. Japanese start viewing Koreans as "dogs" My wife has been called one in Japan before. It is a combination of superiority complexes that still linger from years ago (Not that the Koreans aren't with out severre prejudice as well), but with all this crap with the North, South Koreans images are further dirtied in the eyes of the Japanese as well. I just wish Japan would watch this stuff better. If you are going to bitch about it, then watch it better on the home front.

Then again, I'm not up to date with banking and citizenship changes in Japan at the moment.

Just my two cents, and clearly that wont buy a lot. hehe.

 

[tittenman]

Play football with them at next years 2010 world cup finals in South Africa?