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Virgin crisis

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
It's only a crisis since your putting the pussy up on a pedestel. There's some sound advice in here if you want to be friends with every girl you meet. Girls find virginity attractive up to a point. I'd say after your 23, it won't be so attractive anymore.

That's wrong and judgmental. If a female can't find a guy "attractive" because he is saving himself for his wife or true love, then that female needs to rethink her priorities. Males too, who only want to satisfy their base needs.

At least with a virgin you will not be infected with anything.

It's rare and honorable for someone to wait for that special someone and stay with them.
 
That's wrong and judgmental. If a female can't find a guy "attractive" because he is saving himself for his wife or true love, then that female needs to rethink her priorities. Males too, who only want to satisfy their base needs.

At least with a virgin you will not be infected with anything.

It's rare and honorable for someone to wait for that special someone and stay with them.

Ah, but if you ask most women they think its kinda pathetic if your a virgin after 23. Trust me, I've asked quite a few.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Ah, but if you ask most women they think its kinda pathetic if your a virgin after 23. Trust me, I've asked quite a few.

They are the pathetic ones. :tongue:

They are probably the ones who regret sleeping with most of the guys they have and thought the guy would marry them. :1orglaugh

It's better to wait for the one you truly love. Not just Mr. or Mrs. Right Now.
People like that can't control themselves and will more than likely be the one's who cheat on their spouses.

That is if someone wants the after they are used up. :D
 
It would be more likely that someone who has never experienced someone else would be more likely to cheat. Because they would be curious to see what someone else is like. And trust me, it has happened to my buddy. His gf lost her virginity to him, and stayed with him for almost 3 years before she cheated on him. Meanwhile he had many partners, and was able to keep from cheating.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
It would be more likely that someone who has never experienced someone else would be more likely to cheat. Because they would be curious to see what someone else is like. And trust me, it has happened to my buddy. His gf lost her virginity to him, and stayed with him for almost 3 years before she cheated on him. Meanwhile he had many partners, and was able to keep from cheating.

I know I've heard from both sides. It's more on the other side.
(The people who didn't wait side)

I mean how many people do you know who have actually waited and had one partner? Very few.
 
Ah, but if you ask most women they think its kinda pathetic if your a virgin after 23. Trust me, I've asked quite a few.

They are probably a bunch of sluts that will sleep with anything that walks, which in all honest is more pathetic than someone who is saving himself for someone he really loves.
 
at least this crisis isn't costing the tax payers 700 billion dollars.
 
Ah, but if you ask most women they think its kinda pathetic if your a virgin after 23. Trust me, I've asked quite a few.

These "quite a few".....I'm wondering....might they be the same ones we see every night on Comedy Central on the Girls Gone Wild commercials? Or, and correct me if I am wrong here, might they be the girls we see wearing skirts that resemble dental floss with tops to match, doing body shots of tequila during 25 cent shot night at the local bar? Or, and again I may be incorrect, are they frequent viewers and/or participants on Jerry or Maury?

Please. It is absolutely irresponsible, incorrect, and ridiculous to make such a bold assumption. Most indeed.
 
There are already a lot of great advice here, it is just up to you which one to follow.

If you decided to wait for the right one then go out and have fun looking for her, waiting for the right one doesn't mean that you shouldn't go out and have fun while looking for her. Just go out and socialize, you are going to meet the "right" one eventually.

If you decided to go for it then go for it, young guys are bound to make mistakes, the best thing is to learn from your mistakes. IMHO You may do some things and end up regretting it but you'll feel worst regretting things that you didn't do when you have the chance and realize it when its already too late.

You're still young, just have fun.
 
Good advice from Crash, the best way to ruin a night out with your friends is to think that you are somehow obligated to find and take home a girl. Just worry about having a good time and doing stupid shit with your friends, cause that's what you'll remember as the good times, even after you've found her and are busy living happily ever after.
 
Only thing guy needs to have sex with many girls is self confidence. All my friends who have had lot of girls are the same who heard NO many times. So just go out and try it, absolutely nothing happens when she says no.
 
These "quite a few".....I'm wondering....might they be the same ones we see every night on Comedy Central on the Girls Gone Wild commercials? Or, and correct me if I am wrong here, might they be the girls we see wearing skirts that resemble dental floss with tops to match, doing body shots of tequila during 25 cent shot night at the local bar? Or, and again I may be incorrect, are they frequent viewers and/or participants on Jerry or Maury?

Please. It is absolutely irresponsible, incorrect, and ridiculous to make such a bold assumption. Most indeed.


Mmm no. But you wouldn't know since you don't actually ask anyone. I don't make that assumption, I go based on what I was told.

And if you can't get over it then that's your problem, no one elses.
 
Have you ever read a book called; "The Game"?
It's about a guy similar to you, though quite a lot worse in his situation, who one day finds a underground society of pick-up artist and by the end of the book, he becomes the world's greatest pick-up artist over the space of about two years.

There is quite a lot of stigma attached to such words as "Pick-up artist" and "seduction", those I believe are selling points to those in desperate need of guidance along the subject of attracting girls and should not be left to those under the banner of the Quagmire-types.

There are many schools of thought of about this particular subject, some of which I have read, primarily the mainstream techniques and such, and I can say that while it seems at first glance to be full of sleazebag dickheads who try it on with girls by using stupid chat-up lines and lies to get what they want. Rather, they are just a bunch of nerds who one day got pissed off with watching girls walk on by while the rest of the popular guys (you Americans still call them Jocks right? :o) made love to them whenever they felt like it. You of course, knew would be better with you than them, if you had them, you'd treat them right, you wouldn't cheat on them or make them upset, you'd worship the ground they walked on if you had them in your arms. So they went out to search for the magical formula as to why girls go for those "bad boy" types instead of the good guys.

I'm assuming you're a good guy if I might so place you in that dogmatic category of a moment? :p

"But Desolrit? that's crap! What about all those nice girls who want a nice guy? Surely they are looking for someone like me?"

Correct, there are nice girls who are looking for a nice guy like you.

As friends.

The reason all those girls aren't wanting anything past a friendship is because they have no sexual feelings for you. Generally, they ask you to do something for them and the nice guy you are does it, which is all very well for your morals and such, but builds no attract to you what so-ever. True you may see displays of affection for you but they are flirting, a thing women so often do as an expression of fun and light-heartedness. Some men will see this as however, the girl being attracted to them....and then it spirals down when you express your feelings for her, she says she wants you and her to be "just-friends" and ends up going nowhere leaving you feeling like a loser.

On views of sexuality....Women are -highly- sexual creatures; many believe that women think about sex more than men! Every single healthy woman on earth, love sex or at least, the thought of sex and I can make that a fact of life for you. Yes, even that old, scraggy, strictly religious teacher who you would vomit at the thought of even pecking on her on cheek has had sexual thoughts at one time or another, perhaps she is even now! And about you!!! D:
Point is, women -want- to share their bodies with you, so there is nothing wrong with that as long as you both establish what you want from each other, so don't feel bad.

I've gone severely off-topic here and could write for hours but....

Seriously, no using escorts!!!!111two!!
There are many ways you can learn to have a more varied choice of women who you want to be with and who want to be with you, while keeping your morals and ethics intact.

I also think yeah, you should go out and socialize more and just have fun around girls without the expectation of "getting laid tonight" and there are many things out there that can help. When you're ready, then you will even attract girls to you as you go about doing whatever you're doing on your average day. It all boils down to your frame of mind.

But I'm guessing you know most of this?

I think Progressive Psi, that if you think your current reality isn't okay, then you should change it and no forum I found while looking for porn can contain all the help I can give so I'll just direct you to where I found help.

Suggested reading;

For all those procrastinators;
Self Discipline

Quintessential for those who wish to learn about how a nerdy dork turned into the worlds greatest seducer of women;
"The Game" Neil Stratus

A pratical guide for guys who want to succeed with women by being themselves;
"Natural Game" 'Gambler'

Guide to female sexuality, a truly awesome read (You're more of a man if you can accept you can improve)
"David Shade's Manual" David Shade

If you can't "acquire" these eBooks, feel free to PM and I shall send them to you via email.

(PS. I'm currently on a personal journey atm myself and as such, don't have time to practice what I preach, but hey a guy has needs! :1orglaugh)

Deso
 
^^^

Thanks for re-iterating what I said in a better manner.

It takes a while to get men to realize that they have to man up and do what they were born to do. Especially ones that are so caught up in being the nice goody goody. All of you want to get laid as much as possible, and you all know it. So just do it.

Do what makes you feel good, not what makes others feel good. Sometimes what you do for yourself will please other anyway.

BTW Deso, excellent first post, and welcome to Freeones! :thumbsup:
 
Thanks :) (Sorry jibbijib, I forgot to quote your post :p)

In caveman times....
Man want woman, man have no worry, man get woman easy if he want! :D
 
Mmm no. But you wouldn't know since you don't actually ask anyone. I don't make that assumption, I go based on what I was told.

And if you can't get over it then that's your problem, no one elses.

How do you know that I have never asked anyone? How can you make an assumption like that? You do not know me, my life, or life story. So how can you say that I don't or haven't asked anyone?

It seems to me that you have given by far, hands down, the WORST advice out of everyone here who has responded. I'm sorry (actually I am not), but there is no way anyone should take you seriously when you claim that it is not sexist to say that women are more about the home, as you put it.

And I would like you to clarify.....if I can't get over what? Whoever said that I could not, and where does it appear that I can't, or haven't? (I'm still unclear what I need to get over.....)

Your advice and comments remind me of the glory days of sixth grade, sir.

Good day.
 
I know where you are coming from... Personally I was 22 when I first did it... And Im now 24 so it wasnt that long ago...

I know what its like to end up in a girls "friend zone" and be a pest to her BF. I know what it is to not be much out going...

I too am relatively handsome and intelligent...

I cant do miracles for you... I cant really help you, but I can tell you how it happened for me...

I was desperate and started chatting with girls online (which should of been even worse)... I ended up talking to a girl from australia which I get really close to over about a year... At which point my friends and I started talking about visiting australia... And so I met up with her there and we had a 4-5 days of romantic passion... and then I left with a new and enforced confidence...

When I got back home, finding a gf wasnt that hard... I went on a online dating site... POF and started to send messages to all the girls there till I got a date with my present gf... we have been going out for like a year and a half... and Now I get plenty of sex...

I just the only tip I can tell you is to go for it and dont be shy... rejection is nothing... Not trying is shit...

Just try...
 
How do you know that I have never asked anyone? How can you make an assumption like that? You do not know me, my life, or life story. So how can you say that I don't or haven't asked anyone?

It seems to me that you have given by far, hands down, the WORST advice out of everyone here who has responded. I'm sorry (actually I am not), but there is no way anyone should take you seriously when you claim that it is not sexist to say that women are more about the home, as you put it.

And I would like you to clarify.....if I can't get over what? Whoever said that I could not, and where does it appear that I can't, or haven't? (I'm still unclear what I need to get over.....)

Your advice and comments remind me of the glory days of sixth grade, sir.

Good day.

For one, it's not the worst advice. The worst advice is telling someone what they want to hear. Not what they don't want to hear. No one will do anything to improve their life if they are constantly told lies about how what they are doing is so right.

Second, you obviously didn't understand what I meant by home. Which I put into quotes in my original post to seperate the fact from what people would conclude what I meant. I even said it's not about cooking or cleaning. I'm talking about the psychological and biological "home" not the term which people think home means.

Honestly, if all you can focus on is the "politically correct" way of everything, then you are the most close minded that you can ever be. Because it's people who act holier than thou that brings down what freedoms humans really have. Because of all these retarded rules that people believe should be put in place, our society is royally fucked. No one is allowed to expand their mind without censorship, and I feel sorry for those of you who feel that way.

It's time to stop being pussies, and do shit to enhance your life to the fullest. Instead of whining about how you can't get women because you are a nice guy, and you don't believe in "using" women for sex, do something about it. That's the biggest line of bullshit, and deep down you know it. Not every single relationship is based off the fantastical movies where the guy is a hopelessy romantic man, who says all the right things at exactly the right times, and they're all so nice and everything. What you fail to see is that, that stuff does not work when first meeting a girl, and trying to get into a relationship with them, that only works when conflict in a relationship happens. Furthermore, if you would actually pay attention to the whole picture, you would see that the main guy is always witty, funny, always busts on her, and does some of the strangest things that attracts her.

You seriously need to get a grip on real life, because it's not all about being as nice as possible to everyone. People are assholes and take advantage of nice people. It's reality. That's what you need to get over, and you also need to get over the fact that women find it sad if a guy who is attractive, but cant get laid, and theyre pushin 24 or 25. They honestly think, "What the hell is wrong with this guy?". And they wont tell you if you ask them like your asking about yourself, because they wont want to hurt your feelings.

I find your attitude, and most of the "kids" in here to be that of grade 6. Because you won't grow up and take responsibility for your own manhood. Still suckin on mommys tit. The world isn't full of rainbows and butterflies and happy woodlife creatures. Get with the program. It would be great to be able to be nice and appreciated for it, but that's now how today's society is, and for now you have to adapt to it. Being nice was the past, being an asshole is the present. Get over the past and upgrade.

I'm almost getting sick of trying to tell people that they have to take a stand for themselves instead of letting people trample all over them. Our world is becoming a bunch of pussies. The women are becoming more dominant, and it fucks with the male psyche. We are basically having to adapt our game to suit their needs. And currently, they don't feel the need to be attracted to a guy who is clingy, cares way too much, and will do anything for them at the drop of a hat. There is no challenge there, and there's hordes of guys who will do the same stuff for them. Everyone want's someone who is different from the rest. So be different.



If you don't like my approach then don't talk to me. If you can't man up and take control of your own life, then don't bother trying to bitch and whine about not getting anywhere.
 
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