Unsportsmanlike to win a basketball game 108-3?

It's been called unsportsmanlike. It's been called ugly. The question now is whether Christian Heritage (Utah) High, which routed West Ridge (Utah) Academy, 108-3, in a girls basketball game last week, actually did anything wrong by blowing out an overwhelmed opponent.

The stunning scoreline -- from a varsity game in which Christian Heritage reportedly never used a full-court press -- nearly defies belief. As reported in the Deseret News and Salt Lake Tribune, Christian Heritage scored 28 points per quarter for the first three periods and 24 in the fourth, providing a consistent average of nearly two baskets per minute across the entire game. The Crusaders shut out West Ridge (pictured above running on to the court for the team's game following the rout) for the first three quarters, and Christian Heritage starter Josi Rydin even racked up a unique triple-double, with exactly 10 points, 10 rebounds and 10 steals.

"I don’t know why the score was that high, or what the point was," Jamie Keefer, West Ridge’s athletic director and a coach for the girls’ team, told the Salt Lake Tribune. "I don’t think it would’ve happened that way if it were the other way around."

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Yet while Christian Heritage is a clear and obvious target for criticism, Crusaders coach Rob McGill has argued that he had little choice. According to ABC 4 News out of Salt Lake City, the program had just nine players available for both the varsity and junior varsity games against West Ridge, leaving the coach with little option when considering whether to pull out his starters early in the game.

And with his starters still in the game, McGill decided it would be more disrespectful to slow the ball down and pass around the perimeter than continuing to run the team's offense.

"I have been on the other side of this equation," McGill told ABC 4. "It was very insulting when teams slowed the ball down and just passed it around. That's why I'd rather have a team play me straight up, and that's why I played them straight up. Because I didn't want to taunt them, I didn't want to embarrass them, I didn't want them to think we could do whatever we want."

While Christian Heritage has already apologized for the lopsided scoreline and administrators at West Ridge have said the school harbors no ill will and has moved on from the incident, there are still lingering concerns about what could happen when the teams play again. The two are scheduled to play Feb. 3 for the second half of the schools' home-and-home league meetings.

Much of that concern comes from McGill's personal philosophy. The coach said he refuses to force his players to back down just because they have all but assured a victory, citing a desire to promote values that he feels are limited by contemporary culture.

"Too many people in the world right now allow the youth to not be as good as they can be, allow them to be lazy," said McGill. "Here, I'm giving them an opportunity to live up to the best of their abilities and be proud of what they're able to accomplish. If that's what I'm being blamed for, then OK, I accept it."

That "commitment to excellence" comes at a cost. In this case, it was the ego of teenage girls that was affected by the effective implementation of McGill's personal philosophy. Given that West Ridge is a school for at-risk youth, those egos in question may be even more fragile than most.

"We're going to sit down with them and make sure they know how we feel," said Christian Heritage head of school Don Hopper. "We didn't mean to do anything to hurt them or upset them. It got away from us, and we're going to do things differently next time."

"I want to personally apologize to the team," said Crusaders co-captain Brittany Hurlbut. "To just say if we hurt any members of the team or the school, we sincerely apologize."

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/...l-rout-raises-questions?urn=highschool-311327

Here is another case of being called unsportsmanlike when a team wins and loses. The coach on the losing team could have simply forfeited. What is the big deal any way? If a team loses that badly maybe the school of the losing team should look into getting a new coach.

I hate when the winners are called out for doing something they apparently know how to do better than the other team.

In sports there are winners and there are losers. If you don't want to face up to that don't play in competitive sports.

These kids will be the future. If they can't handle a losing in basketball without expecting some kind of retribution for the loss, instead of learning to get better and win that way, I weep for where we are heading.

Suck it up and move on. This won't be the first loss in your petty life! If you can't handle a basketball game loss you will not make it far.
 
Keep in mind this is a high school team. Not professional sports where both teams, for the most part, know what they are doing and how to play the game right.
 

Ace Bandage

The one and only.
If you can't compete then don't play the game. With only nine players for both squads, the coach had to keep playing the starters. You can't expect the JV girls to play both games. And you're not going to miss shots on purpose. It's not their fault they're great shooters. Play some fucking defense.

I have no problem with this. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Sometimes you're just god fucking awful. Move on.
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
What's really unsportsmanlike is to tell West Ridge that they are a basketball team...
 
There's no reason to run up a score like that. Reasonable coaches know how to handle these situations - slow things down, work on ball control, practice your plays, practice how to protect a lead, etc. Nobody is saying you need to just pass the ball around the perimeter until the shot clock expires every time. But there are things you can do, with the understanding that you'll probably face tougher competition later on. It teaches these girls nothing to just run wild on an opponent that isn't very good. Except maybe over-confidence.
 
That's a horrible lose. Kids have to learn not everyone can win but the "adult" ie the coach should have ended the game before the score could get that bad or something else should have been done. It's the coaches job to train them and if they weren't as good as the other team they lose. However that isn't just losing that being killed They did what they came to do play and they are just kids. The coaches should have done their job.
 
"I want to personally apologize to the team," said Crusaders co-captain Brittany Hurlbut. "To just say if we hurt any members of the team or the school, we sincerely apologize."

What the hell is this world coming to? Apologizing for winning a sporting contest? Give me a break.

I forget from where or which coach the quote comes from but it goes something like:
"In a blowout, the job of keeping the score down doesn't rest with the coach on the winning side, it rests with the coach on the losing side. It's my job to put my team in the best position to score, and ultimately win. It's your job to keep the score down, not mine. If you haven't prepared your team to be competitive enough to keep the score reasonably close, that's on your hands."

This isn't rec league basketball here, its high school. A competitive atmosphere where teen athletes are supposed to be getting prepared for the real world, whether that's playing a sport at the next level, or entering the business world, etc... Like it or not, there are "blowouts," at every level of both sports and the professional world. This, to my mind, is really a non-story.

108-3?!? That's the problem with yank sports, pathetic scores. If there ain't a basket, goal, touchdown or whatever the crowd get bored. . .until some scantily clad bird turns up. :mad:

No. Pathetic scores? See: Soccer. When 3-0 constitutes a blowout over the course of an hour and a half game... that's both pathetic and mind-numbingly boring. Not to mention the possibility of ties... really exciting stuff there. :1orglaugh
 
I forget from where or which coach the quote comes from but it goes something like:
"In a blowout, the job of keeping the score down doesn't rest with the coach on the winning side, it rests with the coach on the losing side. It's my job to put my team in the best position to score, and ultimately win. It's your job to keep the score down, not mine. If you haven't prepared your team to be competitive enough to keep the score reasonably close, that's on your hands."

that quote is like playing with fire

gotta be careful or you might get burned

a guy like me may take it as "win by any means necessary"

which basically means that i am gonna be playing dirty

especially if i were getting my ass handed to me like that

i would personally not give a damn if the opposing players accidently got some ligaments torn or some bones crushed or muscles ripped and twisted;)

if my job is to stop you by any means necessary, then nothing slows the moment faster than taking out a few of your best players.

No. Pathetic scores? See: Soccer. When 3-0 constitutes a blowout over the course of an hour and a half game... that's both pathetic and mind-numbingly boring. Not to mention the possibility of ties... really exciting stuff there. :1orglaugh


i agree 100% . soccer fuckin sucks big donkey balls.

the sport is an absolute borefest from start to finish.
 
No. Pathetic scores? See: Soccer. When 3-0 constitutes a blowout over the course of an hour and a half game... that's both pathetic and mind-numbingly boring. Not to mention the possibility of ties... really exciting stuff there. :1orglaugh

haha your right. and im from germany where the nations sport is soccer. that really sucks. and 108-3. thats plain the worst team ever no excuses for just making 3 points. thats one shot one lucky shot. if a team is not compeditive it should not play and if you are a coach you gotta see that in training camp and not in a official game. if the team sucks that badly they should just shut down the programm and try dancing or cheerleading another time. no reason to attack the winning team or coach
 
Isn't this why many groups of teams at this level of competition have created mercy rules so things never get this out of hand?
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
I'm from the land of sportsmanship and I'll tell you what it should be called; winning.
Now if they were professionals visiting a school to play against kids, THEN it would be unsporting, but against other professionals? It's a fair game.
 
I opened my sports section the other day to find one of the best hockey teams in the state (and country) annihilated a team that in previous years had been relatively decent. They beat them 17-2. I couldn't believe it. I know the team that won has two guys (at least) that will go pro, but that score was one of the biggest I had ever seen.

As far as this game, I don't know what to say. They should be in a different league or something. I can say, however, if there was a stud on the team that got creamed, they would have been drooling over being able to hog the ball the whole game. That's the nice thing about shit teams; when a really great player is on one, they love that shit. The silver lining I guess.
 
until some scantily clad bird turns up.

I'll wear a bikini for you, big boy. :kiss:
If you can't compete then don't play the game. With only nine players for both squads, the coach had to keep playing the starters. You can't expect the JV girls to play both games. And you're not going to miss shots on purpose. It's not their fault they're great shooters. Play some fucking defense.

I have no problem with this. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Sometimes you're just god fucking awful. Move on.
This...
The losing team should listen to Herm Edwards more:
... and this.

That's a horrible lose. Kids have to learn not everyone can win but the "adult" ie the coach should have ended the game before the score could get that bad or something else should have been done. It's the coaches job to train them and if they weren't as good as the other team they lose. However that isn't just losing that being killed They did what they came to do play and they are just kids. The coaches should have done their job.
When I played Pop Warner football there was a rule that if any team outscored their opponent by 40 points the game would automatically end. It happened to my team one year, and that was the biggest embarrassment we could've had on the field. Instead of letting us fight to the end, we were basically told that we were not good enough to play against the other team. The next year we were much better, and we stopped the game 3 times that year. As bad as I felt when we were humiliated with a mercy loss, I felt even worse for the teams that we pummeled because I could tell that they wanted to play the last quarter+ left in the game; they didn't want to be seen as the weaklings who couldn't finish a game.

No. Pathetic scores? See: Soccer. When 3-0 constitutes a blowout over the course of an hour and a half game... that's both pathetic and mind-numbingly boring. Not to mention the possibility of ties... really exciting stuff there. :1orglaugh

Truth
 
When I played Pop Warner football there was a rule that if any team outscored their opponent by 40 points the game would automatically end. It happened to my team one year, and that was the biggest embarrassment we could've had on the field. Instead of letting us fight to the end, we were basically told that we were not good enough to play against the other team. The next year we were much better, and we stopped the game 3 times that year. As bad as I felt when we were humiliated with a mercy loss, I felt even worse for the teams that we pummeled because I could tell that they wanted to play the last quarter+ left in the game; they didn't want to be seen as the weaklings who couldn't finish a game.


I would agree if this was years ago. Now I don't. I've seen the way 90% of the games aren't even allowed to keep an official score because generally the parents are fucktards or the kids have been brought up that they can't lose so if they do they go I would go so far as to say in some cases insane and cause harm to themselves and/or others. The problem is what society has done to the kids of now. I remember losing horribly bad going back getting better. That seems to happen less and less they blame the other team, the coach other players but never how they performed because they of course could do no wrong.
 
So the winning team should apologize? Fuck that. When I was in sports I just took every loss as a way to better myself. It's stuff like this that makes me wonder how people can even begin to question why our youth are so sensitive. A teacher gives them a failing grade on a test, they go to their parents and that teacher gets in trouble?

Why blame the coach in this situation? I'm sure the players on his team wanted to just keep ramming it down the other team's throat. They were excited to be dominating for crying out loud!

Learn from the loss, don't dwell on it
 
I would agree if this was years ago. Now I don't. I've seen the way 90% of the games aren't even allowed to keep an official score because generally the parents are fucktards or the kids have been brought up that they can't lose so if they do they go I would go so far as to say in some cases insane and cause harm to themselves and/or others. The problem is what society has done to the kids of now. I remember losing horribly bad going back getting better. That seems to happen less and less they blame the other team, the coach other players but never how they performed because they of course could do no wrong.


The time when we had the game stopped was humiliating, but it was nowhere near a bad as what the coaches were like the following Monday. Practice was absolute hell that day because the coaches berated the shit out of us the entire time because we had done such a piss-poor job a few days before. Do you know what happened the next time we played the same team that had humiliated us? We stopped the game by beating them 40-0. The humiliation that we suffered before them was enough to fuel us to perform ten times better than we had been.

I know that would never happen in today's world of political correctness and excessive niceness. If that loss that we suffered that time would've happened today, I guarantee that half the team would've committed suicide the next day. We have been pussified.
 

larss

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If you play you play. If you suck, then suck it up.
I remember an under 14s rugby match that I played in many years ago where the final score was something in the region of 67-0. I was on the losing side. There was no harm done - they were obviously the better side and we were creamed. Such is life. You get up, dust yourself off and improve your game so that next time the scoreline is not so bad.

You learn more by making mistakes and losing than you ever will by getting everything right and winning. It's called experience.
 
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