U.S. Apologizes For Syphilis Experiment In Guatemala

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Dr. Mengele would be proud. :facepalm:

U.S. Apologizes for Syphilis Experiment in Guatemala


By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
Published: October 1, 2010

Top American officials apologized on Friday as they revealed an experiment conducted in the 1940s in which United States government medical researchers deliberately infected Guatemalan prison inmates, soldiers and mental patients with syphilis.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the health and human services secretary, Kathleen Sebelius, and other officials called the study “clearly unethical.”

The experiment, overseen by a researcher who would later participate in the infamous Tuskegee study, in which black American male sharecroppers with syphilis were deliberately left untreated for decades, was done to test the effectiveness of penicillin.

“Although these events occurred more than 64 years ago, we are outraged that such reprehensible research could have occurred under the guise of public health,” Mrs. Clinton and Ms. Sebelius said in a statement. “We deeply regret that it happened, and we apologize to all the individuals who were affected by such abhorrent research practices.”

The Guatemalan president, Álvaro Colom, who first learned of the experiments on Thursday in a phone call from Mrs. Clinton, called them “hair-raising” and “crimes against humanity.”

His government said it would cooperate with an American investigation and carry out its own.

The experiments were discovered by Susan M. Reverby, a medical historian and professor of women’s studies at Wellesley College in Wellesley, Mass., who has written two books about the Tuskegee study.

From 1946 to 1948, she wrote in an article due to appear in January in The Journal of Policy History, Dr. John C. Cutler, a Public Health Service doctor, ran a syphilis inoculation project in Guatemala, co-sponsored by the health service, the National Institutes of Health, the Pan American Health Sanitary Bureau and the Guatemalan government.

The health service, she wrote, “was deeply interested in whether penicillin could be used to prevent, not just cure, early syphilis infection, whether better blood tests for the disease could be established, what dosages of penicillin actually cured infection, and to understand the process of reinfection after cures.”

The service was struggling to grow syphilis, gonorrhea and chancroid in the laboratory and had been having difficulties with tests using rabbits and chimpanzees.

In 1944, it had deliberately injected prison “volunteers” at the Terre Haute Federal Penitentiary in Indiana with lab-grown gonorrhea, but found it hard to infect the men that way and abandoned the study.

Turning to Guatemala, it ultimately chose nearly 700 subjects — men in the national prison and the army as well as men and women in the national mental health hospital.

“Permission was gained from the authorities, but not from individuals, which was not an uncommon practice at the time,” Professor Reverby wrote.

Prostitutes with syphilis were hired to infect prisoners — Guatemalan prisons allowed such visits. When that failed, in some men the bacteria was poured onto scrapes made on the penis, face or arms, and in some cases it was injected by spinal puncture.

If the subjects contracted the disease, they were given antibiotics — which was not the case in Tuskegee.

“However, whether everyone was then cured is not clear and not everyone received what was even then considered adequate treatment,” Professor Reverby wrote.

Dr. Cutler would later be part of the Tuskegee study in Alabama, which began in 1932 as an observation of how syphilis progressed in black men. In 1972, it was revealed that even after early antibiotics and penicillin were invented in the 1940s, doctors hid that fact from the Alabama men so they could keep studying them. Dr. Cutler, who died in 2003, defended the Tuskegee experiment in a 1992 documentary.

Deception was also used in Guatemala, Professor Reverby said. Dr. Thomas Parran, the former surgeon general who oversaw the start of Tuskegee, acknowledged that the Guatemala work could not be done domestically, and details were hidden from Guatemalan officials.

Professor Reverby said she found references to the experiment in a box of Dr. Cutler’s papers at the University of Pittsburgh, where he taught until 1985, while she was researching Dr. Parran.

“I’m sifting through them, and I find ‘Guatemala ... inoculation ... ’ and I think, ‘What the heck is this?’ she said in an interview. “And then it was ‘Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.’ My partner was with me, and I said, ‘You aren’t going to believe this.’ ”

Fernando de la Cerda, minister counselor at the Guatemalan Embassy in Washington, said that Mrs. Clinton apologized to President Colom in her Thursday phone call.

“We thank the United States for its transparency in telling us the facts,” he said.

Asked about the possibility of reparations for survivors or their descendants, Mr. de la Cerda said that was still unclear.

The public response on the Web sites of Guatemalan news outlets was furious.

One commenter, Cesar Duran, on the site of Prensa Libre wrote: “Apologies ... please ... this is what has come to light, but what is still hidden? They should pay an indemnity to the state of Guatemala, not just apologize.”

Dr. Mark Siegler, director of the MacLean Center for Clinical Medical Ethics at the University of Chicago’s medical school, was stunned when the experiment was described to him.

“This is shocking,” he said. “This is much worse than Tuskegee — at least those men were infected by natural means.”

In the 1940s, there were no agreed-upon standards about what was ethical in research on human subjects.

Link is here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/02/health/research/02infect.html
 
LOL I was gonna post the same story (and I also thought of Dr. Mengele) but I thought I'd get accused of being anti-American so decided against it, I'll let you take the flak :1orglaugh Maybe they're responsible for this as well:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...pical-storm-Agatha-blows-200ft-hole-city.html


More on the tests
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11457552
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...52/US-apologises-for-syphilis-experiment.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/01/us-apology-guatemala-syphilis-tests
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
LOL I was gonna post the same story (and I also thought of Dr. Mengele) but I thought I'd get accused of being anti-American so decided against it, I'll let you take the flak :1orglaugh Maybe they're responsible for this as well:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...pical-storm-Agatha-blows-200ft-hole-city.html


More on the tests
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11457552
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...52/US-apologises-for-syphilis-experiment.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/01/us-apology-guatemala-syphilis-tests

Well, you know what they say about brilliant minds, Odysseus!! :thumbsup:

There shouldn't be any flak on this either. Anyone who wants to make an attempt to justify this can bring it on. :mad:
 
I can't help but think it was a bad idea to come out with it.

Now every fucking Guatemalian is gonna' want reparations.

:cool:
 

Ace Bandage

The one and only.
Hi, Jag! :wave:

Well, we certainly couldn't test it on ourselves. How else were they supposed to do the research? That's my motto: always keep a supply of Central Americans on hand in case you need to perform experiments on them.

There, really isn't any humor here. I looked for it but couldn't find it. This quote is very unnerving: "In the 1940s, there were no agreed-upon standards about what was ethical in research on human subjects." Surely, somebody knew this was unethical. They're people, not lab rats.
 
How did that whole apologizing part go? I can see it now, "Hey, I know our country performed immoral, unethical, sick, and despicable human medical experiments on the people here without their consent,...but hey we did apologize after over half a century. We're good now, right....right? You're not going to be mad are you?"

I agree with that person that wondered how many things has are country done like that that we don't even know about. The worst part of it is that it was so long ago that the perpetrators got to escape justice. Along with the people that had to be victims that's the part that bothers me the most. Considering the oaths they took any doctors that were a part of this deserve no less than death or life imprisonment for a violation of this magnitude. Any government officials, and probably anybody else that knowingly took part deserve the same thing.
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
And they wonder why the rest of the world hates them, doesn't trust them and doesn't recognise that they've been wonderfull to the world.
:facepalm:
 
The US won't compensate shit. They didn't the same thing to their own soldiers and didn't give a fuck why would they start now. Would this be considered an act of terrorism? Biological? The US could be questioned by the world court, however I doubt they would show up for hearing. They never did in the past
 
A third of the people in this forum probably have an std...whats the big deal. How they got it, I have no idea but i'm sure they probably do. Can you get an std wackin it?
 
I think the real question here is, why were those Guatemalans getting in the way of our precious syphilis? Huh? Think about it...
 
hey it was the 40's, everyone was doin it. medical experiments were all the rage

lol. nah shits fucked up, but whatr ya gonna do
 

Facetious

Moderated
Re: U.S. Apologizes For Syphilis Experiment In Guatemala

I guess that means that the Obama administration will get to broker billions upon billions of dollars (that we don't have) to Guatemala in the form of "retroactive compensatory damages''? . . . you don't suppose that these characters will help themselves to a handsome commission . . . do you? :rolleyes:

What a time to be turning over stones I swear!
:facepalm:
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Re: U.S. Apologizes For Syphilis Experiment In Guatemala

I guess that means that the Obama administration will get to broker billions upon billions of dollars (that we don't have) to Guatemala in the form of "retroactive compensatory damages''? . . . you don't suppose that these characters will help themselves to a handsome commission . . . do you? :rolleyes:

What a time to be turning over stones I swear!
:facepalm:

Man....what a comment to make. Leave it to you to turn this into a partisan issue, Facetious. :facepalm:

Forget the fact that these were actual human beings we're talking about here, right? You'd rather just go ahead and gloss this over?? :rolleyes:
 
A third of the people in this forum probably have an std...whats the big deal. How they got it, I have no idea but i'm sure they probably do. Can you get an std wackin it?

:facepalm:
 
LOL I was gonna post the same story (and I also thought of Dr. Mengele) but I thought I'd get accused of being anti-American so decided against it, I'll let you take the flak :1orglaugh Maybe they're responsible for this as well:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...pical-storm-Agatha-blows-200ft-hole-city.html


More on the tests
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11457552
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...52/US-apologises-for-syphilis-experiment.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/01/us-apology-guatemala-syphilis-tests

Yeah. Actually, when I first heard about this on the news, the first thing I thought was "Well, let's see what Ulysses posted about this one. Those guys will eat this up".
Imagine my surprise when I saw it was Orson Welles instead. ;)
 
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