Tucson Sheriff Won't Enforce 'Stupid' 'Racist' New Immigration Law
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Yep, Then all the illegal aliens will run back to their countries and pass laws to keep us out of their countries to find work.
I actually agree with you on the law. I think illegal immigration is a huge problem (even if some people choose not to believe it) but targeting American citizens and legal immigrants who look a certain way really does rub against the grain of what this country claims to embody.
But my question is, so what should be done about it? The Federal government refuses to secure the border and enforce the laws. I know some more Liberal people here think we should just simply open up the border and I'm guessing those people haven't actually lived in nice middle class/working class neighborhoods that went to shit because of the problem. I was born and raised in NY....I watched two neighborhoods go from safe mixed towns to headline makers in a handful of years. Right before I left for college, there was an epidemic of face slashings because an El Salvadorian gang called MS13 was telling young potential members to slash the faces of random women to prove their loyalty. Most of these gang members were not citizens and had no visas or green cards.
When the borders are opened and authorities turn a blind eye, it's not only hard working and hungry people who flee their countries to try to build the good life, it's also criminals and gangsters, drug dealers and people who are on the run. Some people try to obscure that fact and paint this image of illegals being only sun beaten laborers who come here ready to kiss the American soil under their feet, but it's just not true.
So if the Feds refuse to be effective and we agree that laws making Hispanic Americans into immediate suspects isn't the way to go, what do we do? Some people think we should go after the people who employ them...and I agree with that, but I wonder what'll happen to the millions of unskilled, uneducated and undocumented immigrants that live here when they have no jobs. Will they simply migrate back to Mexico? Does anybody even think Mexico would allow that?
Again, I completely disagree with the Arizona law, but I feel a bit uneasy joining in on the criticism when I can offer no other solution to take its place.
Anyway, the last thing I'll say is this; Although I'm no fan of Obama, I try not to jump on him every time there's a chance. Some people are unreasonably critical of him even when it's not warranted. However, with this whole mess, I absolutely put a whole lot of the blame directly on his shoulders. He doesn't need Congress to pass a reform bill in order to put more National Guard on the border or pump up the existing US CBP. And there's more than enough money in the defense budget to keep the border damn close to free on uninvited guests. As an American, I find my border to be a bit more of a priority than Afghanistan's.
Brown gets the same treatment here, he aint perfect and has made mistakes but he gets treated like the devil, a lot worse than even Tony Blair who was proven to be a liar and a war mongorer lining his own pockets! The media is ultra critical of him and exagerrates every little mistake he makes. May be some form of ID card issued to all legal citizens could be brought in and simply showing this to an officer will be sufficient a check. And those that come here to work should be given visas, if they are out of work for over 6 months then revoke their visa and send them back. We have so many eastern europeans here (poles romanians etc) who come here and don't work or lost their jobs as the economy collapsed and then they end up sleeping on park benches or in peoples garden sheds as they can't afford to live here, that's the time they need to be deported, for their own sake more than anyones as at least they'll have food and shelter back home. When the economy improves thay can reapply for a new work visa.
If he feels so strongly against the law he can focus his police work on issues of "greater concern" in his jurisdiction.
He doesn't have the right to willfully refuse to enforce laws. He's not fit for duty if that's the case.
He could have simply said, this law makes it permissible to violate the rights of US citizens...it is logistically difficult to commit to and/or it makes things worse not better in his view.
However, as a law enforcement officer he doesn't have a right to act as a scofflaw and remain in his position IMO.
He doesn't have the right to willfully refuse to enforce laws. He's not fit for duty if that's the case.
He could have simply said, this law makes it permissible to violate the rights of US citizens...it is logistically difficult to commit to and/or it makes things worse not better in his view.
However, as a law enforcement officer he doesn't have a right to act as a scofflaw and remain in his position IMO.
Well, I'm sure he won't mind the door hitting him on his ass when the voters kick his ass out come election time. What was it, 70% of AZ voters that want this law enforced? See ya, Sheriff...
And he makes 'em (the crooks) wear pink undies in Maracopa County Jail as well. Had a friend who drove under the influence down there, had to do a week or two in County. Not fun...:rofl:
Supafly
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Sorry, this is the stupidest post I read in a long time. Come on, you must have been high or something to do that, you are smarter than that.
And even repeating that did not make it better.
He clearly says he will continue to stop illegal imigrants, as he did all his life as a sheriff. I think You Might have not read the full story.
Facetious
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Sheriff Joe Arpaio attests to having received numerous death threats over the years, yet he continues to do exactly what the people of Maricopa County have elected him for. Yep, there's nothing like that good 'ol South American brand of coercion to ruin your day . . . and Arpaio basically just gives 'em the finger.
Finally, whenever people thank Arpaio for enforcing the laws of the land, he never says you're welcome, he just says that he's doing his job. :hatsoff::hatsoff:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio attests to having received numerous death threats over the years, yet he continues to do exactly what the people of Maricopa County have elected him for. Yep, there's nothing like that good 'ol South American brand of coercion to ruin your day . . . and Arpaio basically just gives 'em the finger.
Finally, whenever people thank Arpaio for enforcing the laws of the land, he never says you're welcome, he just says that he's doing his job. :hatsoff::hatsoff:
My bud did NOT like his time in there. Was one of the few white boys in "Tent City." :rofl: Not a good place for our kind.
But hey, you're supposed to make jail as uncomfortable as possible.
Good job on the sheriff's part, he knows he has no probable cause to detain anyone based on "looking" illegal. Seriously if someone could tell me exactly how you can constitute a detainment/arrest of someone who looks illegal without violating that persons due process, I would support this bill.
One of you supporters of this bill, could you please tell me exactly what an illegal immigrant looks like? Am I an illegal immigrant because my skins brown and i'm of hispanic descent. Are the cops going to stop me, a legal citizen who's family has been here for three generations legally, before they stop an illegal German immigrant whos been in the country for like 2 weeks?
The sheriff is doing his job upholding the constitution of the United States. If you're going to base this law off of what people look like stop every single person in AZ and ask for all their papers, there's immigrants from All over the world that are here illegally, not just the brown people theyre targeting.
One of you supporters of this bill, could you please tell me exactly what an illegal immigrant looks like? Am I an illegal immigrant because my skins brown and i'm of hispanic descent. Are the cops going to stop me, a legal citizen who's family has been here for three generations legally, before they stop an illegal German immigrant whos been in the country for like 2 weeks?
The sheriff is doing his job upholding the constitution of the United States. If you're going to base this law off of what people look like stop every single person in AZ and ask for all their papers, there's immigrants from All over the world that are here illegally, not just the brown people theyre targeting.
Where does it say they are going to target those who "look" like illegals?
Once I go over the exact bill I will be happy to respond, but in general, to your question, your type (no offense) are the overwhelming majority of those who are here illegaly. There might be a Scandinavian somewhere in the country who overstayed their visa, but compared to the 30 million (or is it more?) illegal aliens here, they just really are not the main concern. Sorry. :wave2:
BS Scott...if they're not ....what was the point of specific language being added to existing statutes??
It's not my type, I'm an american period. I'm white, the only thing that seperates me from you is that I got a box check marked on my birth certificate stating White.. check. Check this box if of hispanic descent...check. I witness first hand how illegals are milking the system everyday. They go to schools and have their spanish as a first language class that they keep all through high school at the taxpayers expense, my parents expense, my aunts and uncles expense and somehow they manage to go all through elementary to high school coming from juarez (the city across the border from El Paso) and they never learn english, they get a free education, and the thing that ticked me off most was that they were the most disruptive students in classes that were intergrated with the ESL students, and those classes had to be taught extremely slowly and virtually in Spanish just for them.
Yeah there is an immigration problem in the U.S., it needs to be dealt with, but infringing on legal citizen's rights isnt the way to go, let's just see how many Americans of hispanic descent get stopped wrongfully. Its only wasting their time and infringing on their rights.
Again, I think the argument is that under the Federal government, before this bill, the sheriff couldn't do the job "upholding the constitution" or Federal. The sheriff's job is to serve and protect those living in the county and enforcing state and county laws, serving warrants, etc. Not determining the constitutionality of a law.
As I said, I don't like this bill at all, but people elect sheriffs to be sheriffs, not judges. I have a feeling that many people who support this sheriff wouldn't support another sheriff if he, for example, believed that it violated the Constitution to detain or prosecute people who carry firearms without the proper permit.
This law may very well get struck down before it goes into effect, but the courts will be the ones to do that, not law enforcement.
You said your "skin's brown" and now you say you're white. :dunno:
If you've ever looked at you're birth certificate theres only 3 races idiot, Black, White, and Asian/oriental, seems all you even care about is race. I bet you think people of hispanic descent are listed as "Brown" or "mexican" under they're birth certificate hahahaha
meesterperfect
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man why are so many so concerned about if someone gets asked for I.D.?
thats basically all this is.
"Hey buddy you got I.D.?"
how the hell is that violating rights?
and stop and think, if millions of mexicans didn't break the law to begin with and enter the country without permission this wouldn't even be necessary.
thats basically all this is.
"Hey buddy you got I.D.?"
how the hell is that violating rights?
and stop and think, if millions of mexicans didn't break the law to begin with and enter the country without permission this wouldn't even be necessary.
Well said.
I have said before and will continue to say so: you will not have freedom unless you've got power!
Meaning no one will give a damn about what the sheriff's reasoning and beliefs, therefore, he will get fired if he keeps up standing for his ideals. He is not free to do as he pleases. That's the how it is when you've got strong people above you, you can only do what they tell you to do.
PS: Don't be a fool sheriff, you've got a family, do your job.
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