trump's Coronavirus Failures and Lies

High time we had a thread here just for this subject. As trump and his administration continue to fumble, deny, blame, lie, and rewrite history, it's all out there for everyone to see what an incompetent idiot this man is, leading a government made up of people who have no idea or no interest in governing.

There have been predictions since the beginning of this presidency that if a real crisis showed up his incompetence and unreliability would be exposed, and it's all come true in the last few months.

Let's kick off with a timeline of trump statements on the coronavirus so far:



Jan. 22: On whether he was worried about a pandemic: “No, we’re not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China.”

Jan. 24: “It will all work out well.”

Jan. 29: “Just received a briefing on the Coronavirus in China from all of our GREAT agencies, who are also working closely with China. We will continue to monitor the ongoing developments. We have the best experts anywhere in the world, and they are on top of it 24/7!”

Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it. So that I can assure you.”

Feb. 2: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China. … We can’t have thousands of people coming in who may have this problem, the coronavirus. So we’re gonna see what happens, but we did shut it down, yes.”

Feb. 7: “Nothing is easy, but [Chinese President Xi Jinping] … will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone.”

Feb. 10: “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”

Feb. 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

Feb. 19: “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus. So let’s see what happens, but I think it’s going to work out fine.”

Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. … Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

Feb. 25: “You may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are … getting better. They’re all getting better. … As far as what we’re doing with the new virus, I think that we’re doing a great job.”

Feb. 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus, including the very early closing of our borders to certain areas of the world.”

Feb. 26: “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done."

Feb. 26:

Q: This is spreading — or is going to spread, maybe, within communities. That’s the expectation.

A: It may. It may.

Q: Does that worry you?

A: No. ... No, because we’re ready for it. It is what it is. We’re ready for it. We’re really prepared. ... We hope it doesn’t spread. There’s a chance that it won’t spread too, and there’s a chance that it will, and then it’s a question of at what level.

Feb. 27: “Only a very small number in U.S., & China numbers look to be going down. All countries working well together!”

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Feb. 28: “I think it’s really going well. We did something very fortunate: we closed up to certain areas of the world very, very early — far earlier than we were supposed to. I took a lot of heat for doing it. It turned out to be the right move, and we only have 15 people and they are getting better, and hopefully they’re all better. There’s one who is quite sick, but maybe he’s gonna be fine. … We’re prepared for the worst, but we think we’re going to be very fortunate."

Feb. 28: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Feb. 29: “We’re the number one travel destination anywhere in the world, yet we have far fewer cases of the disease than even countries with much less travel or a much smaller population.”

March 4: “Some people will have this at a very light level and won’t even go to a doctor or hospital, and they’ll get better. There are many people like that.”

March 5: “With approximately 100,000 CoronaVirus cases worldwide, and 3,280 deaths, the United States, because of quick action on closing our borders, has, as of now, only 129 cases (40 Americans brought in) and 11 deaths.”

March 6: “We did an interview on Fox last night, a town hall. I think it was very good. And I said: ‘Calm. You have to be calm. It’ll go away.' ”

March 7: “It came out of China, and we heard about it. And made a good move: We closed it down; we stopped it. Otherwise — the head of CDC said last night that you would have thousands of more problems if we didn’t shut it down very early. That was a very early shutdown, which is something we got right."

March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”

March 10: “As you know, it’s about 600 cases, it’s about 26 deaths, within our country. And had we not acted quickly, that number would have been substantially more.”

March 10: “And it hit the world. And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

March 11: “I think we’re going to get through it very well.”

March 12: “It’s going to go away. … The United States, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.”

March 13: Says the Food and Drug Administration “will bring, additionally, 1.4 million tests on board next week and 5 million within a month. I doubt we’ll need anywhere near that.”

March 14: “We’re using the full power of the federal government to defeat the virus, and that’s what we’ve been doing.” Also retweeted supporter Candace Owens, who cited "good news" on the coronavirus, including that “Italy is hit hard, experts say, because they have the oldest population in Europe (average age of those that have died is 81).”

March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

March 16: “If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world. … I was talking about what we’re doing is under control, but I’m not talking about the virus.”

March 17: “We’re going to win. And I think we’re going to win faster than people think — I hope.”

March 23: “America will again and soon be open for business. … Parts of our country are very lightly affected.”

March 24: “You’re going to lose a number of people to the flu. But you’re going to lose more people by putting a country into a massive recession or depression.”

On seeking to reopen portions of the American economy by April 12: “It’s such an important day for other reasons, but I’ll make it an important day for this, too. … I would love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter.”

March 25: “There are large sections of our country — probably can go back to work much sooner than other sections. … It’s hard not to be happy with the job we’re doing, that I can tell you."

March 26: “They have to go back to work; our country has to go back. Our country is based on that, and I think it’s going to happen pretty quickly.”

“I have a feeling that a lot of numbers that are being said in some areas are just bigger than they’re going to be. I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators.”

March 29: “So you’re talking about [worst-case scenarios of] 2.2 million deaths, 2.2 million people from this. And so if we could hold that down, as we’re saying, to 100,000 — it’s a horrible number, maybe even less — but to 100,000. So we have between 100 and 200,000, and we altogether have done a very good job."

March 30: “New York is really in trouble, but I think it’s going to end up being fine. We’re loading it up, we’re stocking it up. … And then by a little short of June, maybe June 1, we think the — you know, it’s a terrible thing to say, but — we think the deaths will be at a very low number. It’ll be brought down to a very low number from right now, from where it’s getting to reach its peak.”



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/12/trump-coronavirus-timeline/



Had to cut this short due to character count....



Shorter version:



Blames Obama, despite disbanding fed pandemic unit.

Blames state governors for not doing fed govs job for him.

National stockpile ventilators don’t work because maintenance contract lapsed.

And much, much more…



If there's a silver lining for me, it's that we're finally seeing journalists hold him to account to his face, and episodes of his humiliation at being confronted with the truth are pouring out daily.

America made a huge mistake with donald trump. Anyone who didn't realize that before should have by now. And anyone who still denies it is lying to themselves, and to everyone else.
 

Torre82

Moderator \ Jannie
Staff member
Mongo, you are just pawn. In game of life.
Mmmm.
But on topic: Sometimes you gotta let the other side get what they want.
People dont realize how much they need a socialist ideal until the overwhelming greed from the previous system breaks. But it breaks because they elected a guy who is famous for firing everyone around him.
Bush Jr was a fool, but he surrounded himself with people who could do the job for him.
*shrug* Give the people what they want, so they'll not want, again.
 
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Yeah, wasn't really looking to argue ideologies or politics too much, just wanted a place to point out all the failures, because there are so fucking many, so we can all come here and laugh or cry or shake our heads, depending on the mood.

Could be interesting though, to have a convo about how there's no mechanism to step in and put a stop to this shitshow. That even in a crisis like this, there's no authority in reserve to say ok, that's enough, trump and republicans are completely helpless while everything falls down around them and it's time to get things back on track. Of course, the US founders could never have imagined a government like this one, so never put an emergency parachute in for a time like this.

But really I want this to be a timeline of the fuckups, the lies, and the public embarrassments. Like when kushner said that the federal stockpile of emergency medical supplies is not for the states, and then shortly after the HHS website had verbiage changed from "When state, local, tribal, and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicines and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency" to “The Strategic National Stockpile's role is to supplement state and local supplies during public health emergencies."

There are a lot more coming. Even when the virus has run its course, there's going to be a lot of economic rebuilding to do, and given the entire history of the republican party as economic managers, that should be a spectacular shitshow as well.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Torre as long as he doesnt cold cock any horses we'll be alright.
Well thought out thread by mr mongo. But as I've said Trump doesnt control anything just like Soetoro didn't. Actors.
Like The Monkees. Sure they sang the lyrics of the songs written for them, and occassionally they played a sub par song one of them wrote. But studio musicians played the actual music.
I think Trumps not really in the loop on this, seems like theyre kinda letting him just go out there and wing it.
And now I think I know why Hiliary didnt run for PREZ this time.

If this is an actual natural occurrance it will disappear. Its not strong enough or contagious enough to kill everybody.
If its part of a plan by evil people for evil means they will just keep pumping societies with it until all hell breaks loose.
It will cause just as much death and misery as a major world war but it won't cost nothin.
Weird how Italy got hit so hard. I wonder who they pissed off.

A few weeks ago some female politician in some public meeting said "Everybody will catch it". What an asshole. She should be castrated.

One thing I cant shake however is how all those CEO's have stepped down in the past year. Seems suspicious.

Look up ID2020 maybe thats what its about. I dont know.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/coronavirus-causes-effects-real-danger-agenda-id2020/5706153

Mong you say America made a big mistake with Trump? The only other choice was Hiliary. Do you really think anything would be different if they chose to tell us she won instead of Crazy Donald? The same people own both of them and their families.
 
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mongo18 said:
Of course, the US founders could never have imagined a government like this one, so never put an emergency parachute in for a time like this.
True, the Founding Fathers never imagined such a government. Because they had thought they made it impossible for such a government would ever be in charge. They put into the Constitution a safety net, something they thought would prevent the country from electing a president that would be so clearly unfit for the job : the fucking Electoral College.

The electoral college has a double purpose :
1) It represents the states in the general election
2) it is supposed to be composed of people who are wiser than the average american, people who wouldn't fall for a demagogue with no qualifications or for a dictator wannabe. Same goes for the primary delegates. unfortunately that purpose has now been forgotten because it's not PC to consider that people can be wrong and that some "wise men (or women)" would know better what's good for America and for the american people.
 

Harpsman

Light one for Me
Unbelievable arrogance/ignorance from Trump. He mustn't listen to his Advisors, the most powerful and wealthy country in the world has a leader which doesn't reflect that status.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
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So now trump is pushing this malaria drug hydroxychloroquine, with the help of giuliani and hannity. They're all telling people it shows very strong signs of being a miracle cure, despite not having a single doctor to back them up. In fact, doctors say it can be fatal even to people without heart conditions. Of course that doesn't slow down the giant orange idiot, who's being pushed by Bernard Marcus, a big money donor, among others, to greenlight use of the drug. The moron even went as far as butting in when a reporter had the audacity to ask doctor Fauci what he thought of the drug. It's a shame that reporter didn't tell him to shut up so he could hear the doctor speak.

And what is up with the whole "it's our stockpile, not the states" bullshit? Started by kushner and perpetuated by the head dipshit. Who do they think paid for it? Who do they think the federal government is supposed to work for? I mean, we all know who the US government actually works for, but do any of them even have a clue what government is supposed to be for?
 
mongo18 said:
They're all telling people it shows very strong signs of being a miracle cure, despite not having a single doctor to back them up
Actually, there's a french professor, Didier Raoult (among the very best when it comes to epidemiolgy and virology) who's supporting the treatment. He's the one who found it.
The problem is the tests he made to assess its efficiency were totally botched :
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...ersial-doctor-stirs-coronavirus-debate-156889
 

Torre82

Moderator \ Jannie
Staff member
No matter how promising any treatment will be, you have to have the right people pushing it.
Do you trust a businessman who read an article or the doctors who say "It has a use for alleviating virus symptoms. Just not THIS virus."

Its one of those 'take it with a grain of salt' things, like people who self-diagnose using the internet. They're harmless, but they need to be kept in check. There are people who trained for years saying the truth: "This is a toxic substance, to be used sparingly and in certain circumstances."

But then some other guy walks up and says 'But' and its 2 steps back dance.

EDIT: *checks what section we're in* Ah, good.
OMFG I get into conversations with people who think they have played a logic card like YuGiOh when they hear about drugs and treatments. A lady said the other day, "AZITHROMYCIN?! I knew it! You CAN use antibiotics to treat a virus!"
and reminding old people is kind of a specialty of mine. *does Trump hands* I'm good at it. I have experience. Tremendous experience. Possibly the best. I hope the best. So I have experience. Anyway. Reminding the average fool that a virus can lead to an infection is the simplest of things. Explaining the difference between it is always tiresome, though.
"But I thought it affects the lungs! Why are people dying?"
Barbara, what happens if you cant breathe or your lungs stop working to some degree?
"You die."
Okay. Think about it for 3 seconds before you ask anything. Please.

(You will be condescending to stupid questions too, after enough of 'em. #Disclaimer)
 
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And now health officials are being warned "not to contradict" the dickbag over his bullshit claims about the drug, while people with conditions that hydroxychloroquine is actually designed to treat are having trouble getting it.
America, your president's incompetence is literally killing people.
 
And now health officials are being warned "not to contradict" the dickbag over his bullshit claims about the drug, while people with conditions that hydroxychloroquine is actually designed to treat are having trouble getting it.
America, your president's incompetence is literally killing people.
Merica.....
 
In exchange for aid, Trump wants praises from governors he can use in campaign ads

Trump singled out two Democratic governors in particular for criticism: Jay Inslee of Washington and Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan.

[...]

Trump contrasted those two Democratic governors, who have been blunt about the federal government’s failings, with two others who have appealed to the president’s vanity in an attempt to get his help. Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York, has been “appreciative,” Trump said. Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, had also spoken well of him, Trump noted. “I appreciate his nice words,” the president said. “I really appreciate it.”
Trump’s choice of those two governors was probably not coincidental. Earlier on Friday, his reelection campaign unveiled a schmaltzy new ad — entitled, of all things, “Hope” — that cast his response to the pandemic in heroic terms, and featured video of both governors praising him.

[...]

A short time later, Trump used the White House briefing on the public health emergency to vent more at Whitmer and Inslee. He concluded his rant by saying that he had advised Vice President Mike Pence, the head of his coronavirus task force, to not even bother speaking with them. “I say, ‘Mike, don’t call the governor of Washington, you’re wasting your time with him. Don’t call the woman in Michigan,” the president said.

[...]

While Trump maintained that he was not expecting the governors to be appreciative of just his efforts, but those of the federal government he leads — which, he claimed, “has done a hell of a job” — his monologue eventually returned to his discontent with their lack of personal gratitude to him. “We have done a job the likes of which nobody’s seen,” Trump said. “I think they should be appreciative, because you know what, when they’re not appreciative to me, they’re not appreciative to the Army Corps, they’re not appreciative to FEMA, it’s not right.”

[...]

Trump’s apparent demand that the governors of American states do him a political favor, though — by praising his response to the crisis on television, in exchange for him unlocking federal aid — strongly echoed the scheme he was impeached for last year. In that case, Trump withheld aid from Ukraine to coerce its president into agreeing to go on CNN and announce a sham investigation of Joe Biden, his likely rival in the November election.
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/28/exchange-aid-trump-wants-praise-governors-can-use-campaign-ads/

Demanding praises in exchange for aid, that kind of behaviour bares a name : it's called "extortion".
Anyways, this is not surprising since we have a mobster in, the Oval Office
 
For anyone interested, youtube is now streaming the daily coronavirus briefings live (at least they are in Australia). You get to watch trump make an idiot of himself and push his alternate reality in real time!
 
Trump : States and counties should get medical equipment on their own, not ask for the federal government to provide them
Also Trump : Federal government is seizing medical equipements states and counties bought for themselves

Hospitals say feds are seizing masks and other coronavirus supplies without a word

Although President Trump has directed states and hospitals to secure what supplies they can, the federal government is quietly seizing orders, leaving medical providers across the country in the dark about where the material is going and how they can get what they need to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.

Hospital and clinic officials in seven states described the seizures in interviews over the past week. The Federal Emergency Management Agency is not publicly reporting the acquisitions, despite the outlay of millions of dollars of taxpayer money, nor has the administration detailed how it decides which supplies to seize and where to reroute them.

Officials who’ve had materials seized also say they’ve received no guidance from the government about how or if they will get access to the supplies they ordered. That has stoked concerns about how public funds are being spent and whether the Trump administration is fairly distributing scarce medical supplies.

[...]

Trump and other White House officials, including his close advisor and son-in-law Jared Kushner, have insisted that the federal government is using a data-driven approach to procure supplies and direct them where they are most needed.

In response to questions from The Times, a FEMA representative said the agency, working with the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense, has developed a system for identifying needed supplies from vendors and distributing them equitably.

The representative said the agency factors in the populations of states and major metropolitan areas and the severity of the coronavirus outbreak in various locales. “High-transmission areas were prioritized, and allocations were based on population, not on quantities requested,” the representative said.

But the agency has refused to provide any details about how these determinations are made or why it is choosing to seize some supply orders and not others. Administration officials also will not say what supplies are going to what states
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/hospitals-washington-seize-coronavirus-supplies

I think anyone can understand what's happeinig here : Trump is seizing control of medical equipment to provide it to red states and states where governors are loyal to him, even if some blue states would need them more.
 
Captain Trump of the RMS Titanic:

There isn't any iceberg.
There was an iceberg but it's in a totally different ocean.
The iceberg is in this ocean but it will melt very soon.
There is an iceberg but we didn't hit the iceberg.
We hit the iceberg, but the damage will be repaired very shortly.
The iceberg is a Chinese iceberg.
We are taking on water but every passenger who wants a lifeboat can get a lifeboat, and they are beautiful lifeboats. Look, passengers need to ask nicely for the lifeboats if they want them.
We don't have any lifeboats, we're not lifeboat distributors.
Passengers should have planned for icebergs and brought their own lifeboats.
I really don't think we need that many lifeboats.
We have lifeboats and they're supposed to be our lifeboats, not the passengers' lifeboats.
The lifeboats were left on shore by the last captain of this ship.
Nobody could have foreseen the iceberg.

(Unknown author, wasn't me.)
 
trump on issuing stay at home orders: "I can't tell the states what to do, it's up to them."
trump on lifting stay at home orders: "I have absolute power to order states to reopen."

trump in 2016: "I alone can fix it."
trump in 2020: "We're just a backup."

I like how unhinged he is getting at his daily briefings, and I like watching the journos hold his feet to the fire. I was beginning to despair of anyone ever holding him accountable for his lies and failures, but it looks like it's starting to happen.
 
Now the dumpster fire has decided to stop funding for the WHO, because why not? They represent his 3 most hated things, the world, health, and organization. It was clearly their fault that the USA has by far the worst coronavirus outbreak in the world. After all, trump's admin has done a job the likes of which the world has never seen!
 
Republicans in 2016 : Obama must respect states rights
Republicans in 2020 : Trump has total authority over states

 
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