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Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
They don't look at it like assassination....that requires a man with a sniper rifle. They use that grey area they call a tactical military drone strike. They also don't look at it like we are out of Afghanistan, they look at the people not as leaders, but terrorists, and/or tied to terrorist organizations, so it's justified....they learned that from Israel. To be honest, it doesn't bother me so much that they're taking out these people, it bothers me that we have open borders, minimal coverage on those borders, and who knows who, is coming across to play the game their way, on our soil, and if you bring it up, you're a racist, or a "phob" of some sort, as though you should naturally just assume the world is full of loving good hearted people, and a few bad apples, are spoiling the bunch. When the reality is VERY, VERY different. I personally believe that, a person needs to prove themselves to earn anything above, the initial basic respect you would give any human you had no previous knowledge of. The problem is, when we won WWII, and formed NATO, we then proceeded to carve up Persia, and create Israel, we basically committed ourselves for all eternity, to be the worlds babysitter/police force.
gmase
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
I hear you, but ...
I would really prefer NOT to read these: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/17/tragic-mistake-us-drone-strike-512586
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
The only word in the English languish that is bigger is, "what if". I hate to reduce it to this, but we just made a few families very rich, and very soon a scandal will arise, and this will be forgotten. Timing is everything, just ask Bill & Monica.
Little Red Wagon Repairman
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I saw that earlier. Extremely sad.
Well put.
Case in point regarding the limitations of drone strikes:
Pentagon acknowledges Aug. 29 drone strike in Afghanistan was a tragic mistake that killed 10 civilians
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/17/us/politics/pentagon-drone-strike-afghanistan.htmlMade even worse that they tried to defend it until it was clear it was a 100% Oopsie, meaning their intel was even worse than initially thought. That pretty much sealed the lid on any strikes for a while. Again, say a foreign government launched a strike on a KKK leader and instead killed 10 Americans on home soil. Imagine the response.
I find it hard to "let it lie" about the "false equivalence". Either you follow the rules and play by the set standard, or you don't get to claim the moral high ground.
And you're totally right about it being not that uncommon. Palestinians/Israel, Racial profiling, gender inequality... you name it. One group can do the exact same thing as another, and yet their treatment is drastically different.
Supafly
Retired Mod
Regarding the practice of drone strikes:
In my view, they get used in situations / cases where the international agreed standards call for a trial in the International Court of Justice in The Hague
But the decision gets made to not take that road, I suppose because it gets viewed as impossible to do, or simply too much work, as probably too many others are in the pipeline.
So, the bottom line, again, in my view, the situation gets cleared by using a drone, putting no own country's or alliance's forces at risk
The flip side is a higher risk of collateral. But every decision has its little drawbacks.
In my view, they get used in situations / cases where the international agreed standards call for a trial in the International Court of Justice in The Hague
But the decision gets made to not take that road, I suppose because it gets viewed as impossible to do, or simply too much work, as probably too many others are in the pipeline.
So, the bottom line, again, in my view, the situation gets cleared by using a drone, putting no own country's or alliance's forces at risk
The flip side is a higher risk of collateral. But every decision has its little drawbacks.
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I understand you're not the one making the call, but what would be the point of the law if it could be circumvented so easily?
-if something is impossible under the law, then by definition that would be illegal
-"too much work" is never an excuse when talking about killing people
-"if there are too many others", maybe those should be looked at first?
Supafly
Retired Mod
Hey, that is only my asassment, I am a moderator on a porn forum, I am not a part of any US defence agency, don't tell me what I find right or wrong. I just say what I think is the strategy and the way those decisions might be made
Don't take it as criticism. Like I said, I understand you're not the one making that call and are just presenting the argument. You may even be right that that the ones who are making the call think that way. I'm just pointing out the counter-arguments, because it's so frustrating that those making these decisions (US military) have this mindset that the laws don't apply to them.
gmase
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
The collateral damage of lost lives is hardly a 'little drawback'. [I presume you posted as a user and not as a moderator in this instance.]
It is more like the consequences don't apply and the risk of retaliation is low. Notice how the US doesn't use drone strikes against China or Russia? It let Iran throw a couple missiles toward a base after killing a General.
gmase
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
The opinion of an 11-year veteran of the U.S. Air Force as a Special Operations Joint Terminal Attack controller:
https://thehill.com/opinion/nationa...e-counterterrorism-strategy-is-more-risk-than
The failure is not in the intelligence collection or reporting leading up to the moment of mishap, the failure is with the decision makers who elected to conduct the strike while the ground truth remained unclear.
https://thehill.com/opinion/nationa...e-counterterrorism-strategy-is-more-risk-than
The failure is not in the intelligence collection or reporting leading up to the moment of mishap, the failure is with the decision makers who elected to conduct the strike while the ground truth remained unclear.
IS bomber kills 46 inside Afghan mosque, challenges Taliban (apnews.com)
This is interesting. While ISIS-K vs Taliban is nothing new,
Also:
This is interesting. While ISIS-K vs Taliban is nothing new,
So we may see beijing step into this quagmire after all.
Also:
Now they know what it's like to have the shoe on the other foot.
Theopolis Q. Hossenffer
I have no opinion
"So we may see Beijing step into this quagmire after all." Give them something to do in their spare time.
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Well, it is their turn, then Canada, then South America. Then we start over again with Russia.
Aren't they busy bullying Taiwan right now?
Theopolis Q. Hossenffer
I have no opinion
That is their job, Afghanistan is their hobby.
gmase
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Where the Taliban Rule
https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...an-taliban-rule-american-exit-photos-1258020/
A stark review of the current situation in Afghanistan. Where did all of our time, effort, and money go? To quote the last line of The Power Broker ‘Why weren’t they grateful?’
https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...an-taliban-rule-american-exit-photos-1258020/
A stark review of the current situation in Afghanistan. Where did all of our time, effort, and money go? To quote the last line of The Power Broker ‘Why weren’t they grateful?’
Taliban call for resolution to Russia-Ukraine war via 'dialogue and peaceful means' (msn.com)
The sarcastic quotes say it all
The sarcastic quotes say it all
gmase
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
The Ministry of Vice and Virtue
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/07/afghanistan-taliban-order-women-cover-up-00030877
Cover up girls: “We want our sisters to live with dignity and safety”
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/07/afghanistan-taliban-order-women-cover-up-00030877
Cover up girls: “We want our sisters to live with dignity and safety”
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