Top 10 Shameful Events in American History

[WTC7WasPulled]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

All right. Late 90's. You're still an ignoramus.

Ah yes Wikipedia, the gospel according to lemmings.

How about Googling a name. Sibel Edmonds - FBI Translator and whistleblower who confirms that Bin Laden was indeed working with the CIA up to the day of 9/11.

Of course she had a gag order on her and the media won't touch her story.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

As for Japan we..........the U.S. basically defeated them on our own.

Trident, I love most of your posts but you are a little off on this one. Australia, New Zealand, Britain, China,the USSR and others all had a part in the defeat of Japan. We just had the most visible presence.

Aand as usual WTF, you're an idiot.

 

[monicasilver]

Holland/Netherlands was largely bypassed by the Allies after the failure of Market Garden in Sept. '44.

From October'44 to April '45 that country was starved to death by the Nazis. More Dutch civilians died in those months than any other time during the entire war.


As for Japan we..........the U.S. basically defeated them on our own.

Japan doesn't fall without the US in 1945. However, after Yalta the Soviets' efforts did help lead to the Japanese surrender. In everything they did during the war, their sacrifices were huge.

 

[monicasilver]

Jesus H. A good thread ruined by anti American whining and Americans false sense of entitlement.

lol...sucks for you.

 

[girk1]

the civil war..........yeah the civil war was fought because those wealthy white southerners didn't want to give up their slaves.
thats what they said.......too bad its a half truth, or maybe 1/8th truth.
and if that was true than it was an honorable thing, millions of people sacrificing so much to correct a wrong........ah but fuck them, lets just concentrate on those racist southern folk.

Millions of people sacrificing to correct a wrong?:dunno: MAybe so, but there were far more slaves in Brazil & the rest of the Americas/Carribean & it was ended with no Civil war nor deaths? Just because the U.S. wasn't reasonable/rational or thoughtful enough to end slavery like everyone else in the Americas(except the French in Haiti)should we be applauded or embarassed?:dunno:


Slavery was ended all over the the Americas & only in the U.S. & Haiti was war necessarry to end it. In Haiti the slaves did something no slaves had done in the history of the world & overthrew their Masters.

And yes the war was started because White Southerners didn't want to give up their slaves or Southern way of life that they felt was threatened by the election of the Abolitionist Republican(the GOP was an Abolitionist party) Lincoln. Lincoln did absolutely nothing but got elected & the South foolishly decided to attack Fort Sumtner.


And the 1863 Draft riots were some of the worst riots in U.S. history because Whites upset over being drafted to fight some "****** War" as the Civil War was so eloquently called then.

The U.S. should be embarassed that other Central & South American American Nations like Brazil , (The Carribean Nations & other European territories) wisely & humanely ended slavery with no gun shed realizing that slavery was unjust & untenable.

Why weren't we in the U.S. wise/humane enough to do the same?:anonymous

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

Millions of people sacrificing to correct a wrong?:dunno: MAybe so, but there were far more slaves in Brazil & the rest of the Americas/Carribean & it was ended with no Civil war nor deaths? Just because the U.S. wasn't reasonable/rational or thoughtful enough to end slavery like everyone else in the Americas(except the French in Haiti)should we be applauded or embarassed?:dunno:


Slavery was ended all over the the Americas & only in the U.S. & Haiti was war necessarry to end it. In Haiti the slaves did something no slaves had done in the history of the world & overthrew their Masters.

And yes the war was started because White Southerners didn't want to give up their slaves or Southern way of life that they felt was threatened by the election of the Abolitionist Republican(the GOP was an Abolitionist party) Lincoln. Lincoln did absolutely nothing but got elected & the South foolishly decided to attack Fort Sumtner.


And the 1863 Draft riots were some of the worst riots in U.S. history because Whites upset over being drafted to fight some "****** War" as the Civil War was so eloquently called then.

The U.S. should be embarassed that other Central & South American American Nations like Brazil , (The Carribean Nations & other European territories) wisely & humanely ended slavery with no gun shed realizing that slavery was unjust & untenable.

Why weren't we in the U.S. wise/humane enough to do the same?:anonymous

hallelujah!

you must be a proffesor to have come up with that awesome retort

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Yeah, um Brazil was the last country in the Western Hemisphere to abolish slavery. More than thirty years after the U.S.

 

[meesterperfect]

hallelujah!

you must be a proffesor to have come up with that awesome retort

millions did die fools.
or at least 1.5 million
and another million or so injured.
it was horrible.
and millions had their lives ruined because of it.
the sacrifices in that war were immense.

so all I say is what about the people who died and suffered to end slavery, why doesn't anybody talk about them, and both of you gotta get on me about it.
because to you they don't count.......to me they do.

 

[ace.venturer]

Millions of people sacrificing to correct a wrong?:dunno: MAybe so, but there were far more slaves in Brazil & the rest of the Americas/Carribean & it was ended with no Civil war nor deaths? Just because the U.S. wasn't reasonable/rational or thoughtful enough to end slavery like everyone else in the Americas(except the French in Haiti)should we be applauded or embarassed?:dunno:


Slavery was ended all over the the Americas & only in the U.S. & Haiti was war necessarry to end it. In Haiti the slaves did something no slaves had done in the history of the world & overthrew their Masters.

And yes the war was started because White Southerners didn't want to give up their slaves or Southern way of life that they felt was threatened by the election of the Abolitionist Republican(the GOP was an Abolitionist party) Lincoln. Lincoln did absolutely nothing but got elected & the South foolishly decided to attack Fort Sumtner.


And the 1863 Draft riots were some of the worst riots in U.S. history because Whites upset over being drafted to fight some "****** War" as the Civil War was so eloquently called then.

The U.S. should be embarassed that other Central & South American American Nations like Brazil , (The Carribean Nations & other European territories) wisely & humanely ended slavery with no gun shed realizing that slavery was unjust & untenable.

Why weren't we in the U.S. wise/humane enough to do the same?:anonymous

:bowdown:

hallelujah!

:clap:


you must be a proffesor to have come up with that awesome retort

 

[Trident1]

The reasons for the Civil War goes well beyond slavery. You have to trace the troubles back to before our first Civil War.........the Revolutionary War. The southern colonial states were culturally different than that of the Northern ones. Those southern colonial states had a Carib influence coupled with it's largely agrarian society as compared to the northern states having more indentured servants and industrial/city type society.
The southern states developed a sense of independent statehood from their northern brethren so that you had a "us vs. them" notion nearly one hundred years before the "Second" Civil War.

 

[Facetious]

Re: Top 10 Shameful Events in American History


. . something about immediately after the Katrina hurricane, a Congress critter exploiting police resources to get back to his home freezer where some $100,000 had been stashed in a ball of foil . . . anybody ever hear about that story more than once, if at all? Of course you didn't hear about that story more than once or if at all, know why?

The convict was a charter member of the black democratic caucus, that's why, IMNSHO. Had the suspect been a J.C Watts for example, well, we'll just let you figure out the rest. :1orglaugh

 

[maildude]

What about nuclear weapons, the birth of Richard Nixon and McDonald's?

 

[TheOrangeCat]

What about allowing a parasite like Alex Jones to spew his hateful bile and diarrhea fantasies in public?

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

millions did die fools.
or at least 1.5 million
and another million or so injured.
it was horrible.
and millions had their lives ruined because of it.
the sacrifices in that war were immense.

so all I say is what about the people who died and suffered to end slavery, why doesn't anybody talk about them, and both of you gotta get on me about it.
because to you they don't count.......to me they do.

so you are still gonna insist that millions died despite what experts say?

http://www.civilwarhome.com/casualties.htm

and they all didnt die to end slavery

some of those included in the death toll are the ones who fought to keep slavery around dont cha know?

you must be allergic to reading or sumthin

 

[monicasilver]

The 2011 Mets team.

I've been a Mets fan here in Westchester, NY surrounded by Yankee fans for about 10 years. Why will Wilpon not give me a team to be proud of or just sell the team.

Poor David Wright.

 

[meesterperfect]

so you are still gonna insist that millions died despite what experts say?

http://www.civilwarhome.com/casualties.htm

and they all didnt die to end slavery

some of those included in the death toll are the ones who fought to keep slavery around dont cha know?

you must be allergic to reading or sumthin

ok, i had the numbers wrong, it was only about 700,000 total, not each side.
happy now?

now that you feel you won something, my point was that war caused so much suffering.
there was so much sacrifice by people who never had a slave, but you never hear about them, it.
never any appreciation given.
just slaves this and slaves that.

And if you mention what I just said people on message boards get on your case about it.

 

[pete rose]

Number one is definitely the subjugation of the natives.

 

[pool_hustler]

And yes the war was started because White Southerners didn't want to give up their slaves or Southern way of life that they felt was threatened by the election of the Abolitionist Republican(the GOP was an Abolitionist party) Lincoln. Lincoln did absolutely nothing but got elected & the South foolishly decided to attack Fort Sumtner.

Yes this is all pretty much true as I understand it, except the abolitionist wing of Lincoln's republican party started out as the minority wing, as I recall, and was a wing that most certainly didn't include Lincoln - until 1863.

so all I say is what about the people who died and suffered to end slavery, why doesn't anybody talk about them

Oh but they do! Thousands of volumes worth. It's one of our most treasured national ideas that we fought a war specifically to end slavery.

But as girk points out it's partially a myth, as the majority of Union soldiers didn't give two shits about the fate of the black man. That's not what the great flood tide of volunteers at the outset of the war were fighting for. The Lincoln administration grandfathered abolition in as a second war aim 2 1/2 years into the war. And as gilk also pointed out, this did not create a new wave of idealistic volunteers. On the contrary, it created a great deal of controversy, dissension, and even horrific draft riots.

 

[Facetious]

Number one is definitely the subjugation of the natives.

and the Canadians were as clean as a whistle insofar as not subjugating the native populus, yeah? :tongue:

 

[Rey C.]

2nd Largest Insurrection in U.S. History... that few have even heard of.

Interesting list. Props (and rep) to Bearded_Menace for starting an intelligent thread.

I know any list is going to be subjective. But in my mind, the most shameful events are those where violent acts are allowed or encouraged by a government against weak or defenseless individuals or groups. So one that I would put on that list is the events that led up to the Battle of Blair Mountain. I doubt many (any?) people here are aware of it, since it happened in an area of the country that gets little attention outside of being the butt of jokes (West Virginia). You may not know about the Battle of Blair Mountain and you may not care about West Virginia. But you've probably heard the name Mother Jones (yeah, she was a real person) and know the name Hatfield, from the Hatfield and McCoy feud. Mother Jones and Sid Hatfield are part of the story.

I think it's important to see what happens (and happened) when capitalism goes unfettered. In the early part of the 20th century, the big coal mines tried to keep the people of southern West Virginia as indentured servants, working in their dangerous mines, being paid in company script and living in company houses. Anyone who even though about joining the union had their belongings thrown out in the street by deputized Baldwin-Felts goons. They'd usually do it when the men were at work or away, and they'd focus on the women and children. After the sheriff of Matewan, Sid Hatfield (see the movie "Matewan"), was murdered by some Baldwin-Felts agents, the miners bucked on the mines and started a heavy United Mine Workers drive. A battle ensued at a place called Blair Mountain. About 15,000 miners took up arms. Mother Jones cautioned them not to take up arms, since she feared there'd be a heavy bloodshed. Other than the Civil War, this was the second largest insurrection in U.S. history. The governor of West Virginia and the President of the United States (Warren G. Harding) sent in troops and airplanes to support the coal companies' interests. General Billy Mitchell even commanded a unit of bombers which dropped surplus WWI bombs on the miners. That was a lesson to the working/poor people of the time: know your place or you'll be killed by the government.

Short term, the coal companies won. Long term, the United Mine Workers won. I'm not a union man, simply because I believe their mission has gone off track since the 1970's. But I do realize there was a sad time in this nation's (recent) history when the working man was considered nothing more than an expendable tool to monied interests... and the U.S. government had no problem with that. Just like Wounded Knee, the Trail of Tears, slavery or women's suffrage, I think what happened at Blair Mountain should be on this list. We either stand for the "American ideals" that we claim to stand for... or we don't.