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Today In History

On this day 200 years ago, October 21, 1805, the “Battle Of Trafalgar,” the greatest Naval battle in history was fought between the British Royal Navy, and the combined French and Spanish fleets. The Royal Navy was commanded by the greatest naval commander of all time, and one of Britain’s greatest heroes, Vice Admiral Lord Horatio Nelson. Nelson’s flagship at this battle was the now Legendary H.M.S. Victory, which to this day is still flagship of the Royal Navy. As the British fleet was about to engage in battle, Nelson sent a flag signal to his fleet, a command that has become immortal, “England expects every man to do his duty.” Nelson’s revolutionary battle tactics led to an overwhelming British victory, and completely destroyed Napoleon’s plans to conquer England, despite that the British fleet was out numbered 33 ships to 27 ships. Admiral Nelson, already a living legend was killed in this battle. He lived just long enough to learn that he saved England from invasion. The consequences of this battle cannot be understated. The final result was England becoming the lone superpower in the world, and unchallenged master of the oceans of the world for the following 100 years. Not until the “Battle Of Jutland” in 1916, would the British be challenged in a full scale fleet action again.

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* 362 - The temple of Apollo at Daphne, outside of Antioch, is destroyed in a mysterious fire.
* 1383 - The 1383-1385 Crisis in Portugal: A period of civil war and disorder began when King Fernando died without a male heir to the Portuguese throne.
* 1575 - Foundation of Aguascalientes.
* 1746 - The College of New Jersey (later renamed Princeton University) receives its charter.
* 1797 - One thousand meters (3,200 feet) above Paris, Andre-Jacques Garnerin makes the first recorded parachute jump.
* 1836 - Sam Houston is inaugurated as the first President of the Republic of Texas.
* 1844 - The Great Disappointment: the second coming of Jesus and the end of the World failed to take place, despite the predictions of William Miller, disillusioning many adherents of Millerism.
* 1878 - The first rugby match under floodlights takes place in Salford, between Broughton and Swinton.
* 1883 - The Metropolitan Opera House in New York City opens with a performance of Gounod's Faust (opera).
* 1907 - Panic of 1907: A run on Knickerbocker Trust Company stock sets events in motion that will lead to a depression.
* 1910 - Dr. Crippen is convicted at the Old Bailey of poisoning his wife and was subsequently hanged at Pentonville Prison in London.
* 1924 - Toastmasters International is founded.
* 1934 - In East Liverpool, Ohio, notorious bank robber Pretty Boy Floyd is shot and killed by Federal Bureau of Investigation agents.
* 1943 - Kassel: RAF conducts an air raid on the city of 236,000 people, killing 10,000, rendering 150,000 homeless. Second firestorm raid in Germany
* 1953 - Laos gains independence from France.
* 1956 - A concrete girder weighing 200 tons kills 48 in Karachi, Pakistan.
* 1957 - Vietnam War: First United States casualties in Vietnam.
* 1962 - Cuban Missile Crisis: US President John F. Kennedy announces that American spy planes have discovered Soviet nuclear weapons in Cuba, and that he has ordered a naval "quarantine" of the island nation.
* 1964 - Jean-Paul Sartre is awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature, but turns down the honor.
* 1964 - Canada: A Multi-Party Parliamentary Committee selects the design which becomes the new official Flag of Canada.
* 1966 - The Supremes become the first all-female music group to attain a No. 1 selling album (The Supremes A' Go-Go).
* 1968 - Apollo program: Apollo 7 safely splashes down in the Atlantic Ocean after orbiting the Earth 163 times.
* 1968 - Hard rock band Led Zeppelin release the classic album Led Zeppelin II, featuring the hit single "Whole Lotta Love."
* 1972 - Vietnam War: In Saigon, Henry Kissinger and South Vietnamese President Nguyen Van Thieu meet to discuss a proposed cease-fire that had been worked out between Americans and North Vietnamese in Paris. Thieu rejects the proposal and accused the United States of conspiring to undermine his regime
* 1975 - Gays in the military: US Air Force Tech Sergeant Leonard Matlovich, a decorated veteran of the Vietnam War, is given a general discharge after appearing in his Air Force uniform on the cover of Time magazine with the headline (printed in all uppercase) "I Am A Homosexual."
* 1976 - Red dye #4 is banned by the US Food and Drug Administration after it is discovered that it causes tumors in the bladders of dogs. The dye is still used in Canada.
* 1981 - The United States Federal Labor Relations Authority votes to decertify the Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization for its strike the previous August.
* 1986 - U.S. President Ronald Reagan signs the Tax Reform Act of 1986 into law.
* 1987 - John Coolidge Adams's opera Nixon in China debuts at the Houston Grand Opera in Houston, Texas.
* 1989 - Jacob Wetterling is abducted in St. Joseph, Minnesota.
* 1999 - Maurice Papon, an official in the Vichy France government during World War II, is jailed for crimes against humanity.


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DrMotorcity

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As we go about our holiday shopping and general carousing, as well as searching for an ID of that image on the screen that happened to catch our eye, let us not forget the solemn significance of this date in history of which today is the anniversary of:

December 7, 1941​

Your thoughts on both the events of the past and how far we have progressed would graciously be appreciated.

Respectfully, DrMotorcity

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As tragic as it was, it did wake the country up and made us aware that there were unfriendly nations out there that intended us harm. I like that web cam link off of the U.S.S. Missouri. I have a fondness for that ship.
 

SeraphiM

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Yeah, I thought about that today when I woke up and saw the date. It's a shame, it was a terrible loss of life.
 

jod0565

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Yes, we know of the horrible tragedy on that day, but a lighter side was that Baskin Robbins Ice Cream began this day back in 1945.
 
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When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor they killed around 2,000 people, most of which were soldiers. We killed 200,000 non-combatant civilians with atomic bombs. moral of the story: killing innocent people is wrong, if it's Americans that are being killed. If we are the one's doing the killing, then it's OK.
 

SeraphiM

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calpoon said:
When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor they killed around 2,000 people, most of which were soldiers. We killed 200,000 non-combatant civilians with atomic bombs. moral of the story: killing innocent people is wrong, if it's Americans that are being killed. If we are the one's doing the killing, then it's OK.

From the eyes of some one who has been on the front lines:
When the attack occurred the US was not at war with Japan. The 2,000+ that were killed were killed in a "surprise" attack. The 200,000 non-combatants as you call them were declared combatants when the country of Japan refused to surrender and adopted the police of death before surrender. This policy also included civilians as well. The allies would have suffered huge losses in the taking of the main islands of Japan. The bombs were dropped to save allied lives. Let's remember that we dropped one and called for their immediate surrender. They refused to surrender and we dropped another. The unconditional surrendered came shortly there after.
Moral of the story: Let us not forget that the goal of war is to win. No matter how horrible it truly is.

Colonel
 
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calpoon said:
When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor they killed around 2,000 people, most of which were soldiers. We killed 200,000 non-combatant civilians with atomic bombs. moral of the story: killing innocent people is wrong, if it's Americans that are being killed. If we are the one's doing the killing, then it's OK.

another proud american. look im australian and i have nothin wrong with the americans on this board. i just think that the above comment was rude and unnecessary. not everyone in Japan agreed with the country being at war. now dont get me wrong i think the atomic bomb was necessary and it was in the end one of the main reasons world war 2 ended. i jus dont think that killing 200,000 people with a bomb is something to be proud about. but i accept the fact that it was necessary
 
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A thank you to the OP for this thread remembering our honored veterans. Anyone who's ever visited the "Arizona" war memorial in Honolulu knows how moving it is....what with oil still escaping the ships sunken hold all these years later. One of my uncles perished on that ship.

Colonel said:
Moral of the story: Let us not forget that the goal of war is to win. No matter how horrible it truly is. Colonel

True, but with all due respect Colonel, and in an attempt to be objective over an emotional subject, couldn't this also rightfully justify Japan starting that war with a surprise attack? The element of surprise leading to an initial knockout punch was, in the estimate of their most respected war planners, the only realistic hope Japan had of winning that war.
 
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Very sad times. Scary how many people don't even know what WWII or Pearl Harbor is about too.
 
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The sheer impact, not counting the physical aspect, of the nuclear bombs was immense. A weapon that could more effectively that a well-planned airforce, wipe out a whole city in a matter of seconds was a thought that sat heavily on the pilots, scientists and the leaders who called for it. If you don't believe that, then consider the fact why nuclear weapons are still a big deal. If the US did not feel absolutely terrible about it then they'd be using them far more often. Everyone understood that day, especially the US, what a terrible price was paid for the technology they thought would be the "win at all costs".
 

SeraphiM

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bodie54 said:
True, but with all due respect Colonel, and in an attempt to be objective over an emotional subject, couldn't this also rightfully justify Japan starting that war with a surprise attack? The element of surprise leading to an initial knockout punch was, in the estimate of their most respected war planners, the only realistic hope Japan had of winning that war.

Nothing justifies an attack on a nation that war had not been declared upon. Japan had concealed it's preperation for it's attack on Pearl Harbor, even as it attended talks with the US to avoid war :2 cents:

,but lets get back to the topic of remembering the day at hand.
 
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calpoon said:
moral of the story: killing innocent people is wrong, if it's Americans that are being killed. If we are the one's doing the killing, then it's OK.

Damn right and in the immortal words of Sen. Fritz Hollings "The Atomic bomb. Built in America; tested in Japan".
 

DrMotorcity

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jod0565 said:
Yes, we know of the horrible tragedy on that day, but a lighter side was that Baskin Robbins Ice Cream began this day back in 1945.

Yes, and so it had, too, and quite appropriatly enough, considering the U.S. Navy's fondness for serving ice cream on ship.
 
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I was being facetious when I said that it was OK. look, I'm not defending what japan did... I mean if you want to get technical we were supplying armaments to thier enemy in war, so I think that provides a pretty good military justification for attack. then again so does killing a lot of innocent people to coerce a surrender. such justifications, however, are not moral. my point is that two wrongs don't make a right. killing people that are not trying to hurt you is wrong, bottom line. I see it all the time, today a guy got shot in the head for saying he had a bomb. we can talk all we want about how disasterous that could have been, but the fact is that someone was killed who had not commited a crime. lethal force should be a last resort and not an "offensive defense". this kind of goes against everything that our idea of justice is supposed to be about ( fair trail, innocent until proven guilty, etc.) and I don't think should be acceptible in any civilized soceity, in times of war or peace.
 

DrMotorcity

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calpoon said:
When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor they killed around 2,000 people, most of which were soldiers. We killed 200,000 non-combatant civilians with atomic bombs. moral of the story: killing innocent people is wrong, if it's Americans that are being killed. If we are the one's doing the killing, then it's OK.

The Honolulu Star-Bulletin of December 6, 1991 cites 2,403 killed that day, 1,177 of which were on board Arizona, including among the casulties her captain and a two-star admiral, as well as an untold number of civilian deaths and injuries sustained throughout the Pearl Harbor area.

As to your consternation over the usage of atomic weapons, I have in my possession a copy of a map depicting the dispositions of Allied Forces for the invasion of the Japanese homeland, giving such dates for events as "November 1945," and "March 1946," for an assult that was projected to claim 500,000 Allied casualties alone! (Incidently, 500,000 is two and a half times as many as the quoted figure given for casulties (or is it victims?) of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.)

I wasn't around in those days, but when the time came for our then-new President to sign an executive order like none ever before it, I would gladly have loaned him my fountain pen and mopped up any excess ink with my shirtsleeve.

Incidently, any idea who fired the first shot in the U.S.'s involvement in the war in the Pacific? Any idea if any of those vessels present that day are still in existance?

However, part of my reason for posting this topic was to acknowledge the prosperous and amicable relationship that has since developed with the Japanese people and their great nation. Maybe, just something to look forward to?

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SeraphiM

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calpoon said:
I see it all the time, today a guy got shot in the head for saying he had a bomb. we can talk all we want about how disasterous that could have been, but the fact is that someone was killed who had not commited a crime. lethal force should be a last resort and not an "offensive defense". this kind of goes against everything that our idea of justice is supposed to be about ( fair trail, innocent until proven guilty, etc.) and I don't think should be acceptible in any civilized soceity, in times of war or peace.

Way :2offtopic , but here goes my two cents.

Most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep. I honestly mean nothing negative by calling them sheep.
Then there are the wolves, and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy. Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it! There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.
Then there are sheepdogs. Sheepdogs live to protect the flock and confront the wolf.

We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They believe it will not happen to them. Crime and violence happened to someone else, some where else. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools.

Many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.

The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."

Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.

Which one are you?

You're right someone was killed today. The fact that after everything was said and done he was found to be unarmed does not change what the intentions of those two officers were. In that split second their intention was to save lives, not take it.
 
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