The truth about the Bible.

[Supafly]

Does the Bible feature an in-depth description of hell, or did Dante think of everything in the Inferno on his own?

Read this, it is a very in-depth and rational take on the several parts of the bible who refer to the topic:

http://www.realtruth.org/articles/070503-005-dhe.html

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The Wages of Sin

If you are employed, you receive regular paychecks. They represent wages paid to you for work done. What about God? Does He ever pay wages for work? Notice Romans 6:23: “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” This verse exactly mirrors John 3:16! Eternal life is contrasted to death—to perishing! The wages of sin is death, not eternal torture in hell.

There is no mystery regarding the meaning of wages that an employer pays an employee for his work. Why should there be confusion over the meaning of wages that God pays a sinner for his works? God says He pays the wicked a paycheck of death—not life in a place of torment. The Bible says what it means and means what it says. It states that “scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35) and “Your [God’s] word is truth” (17:17). If we are to believe that the Bible is unbreakable truth, then we must believe that death means death and life means life! How sad that most do not understand these straightforward verses.

Before examining a number of additional verses about the subject of hell, important groundwork must be laid. The idea of an ever-burning hell is inseparable from the popular belief that all human beings have immortal souls. We must examine what God says about souls. It is not what you may think!
Do People Have Immortal Souls?

Most people do not understand the relationship between physical men and souls. In Sunday school, I was taught that human beings are born with immortal souls. The common belief is that, upon death, the souls of sinners go to hell forever, since they are immortal. Is this what the Bible says? If the wages of sin is death, could the Bible also teach that people have immortal souls?

Genesis 2:7 says, “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” This verse does not say that men have souls, but that they are souls. Adam became a soul—he was not given a soul. Then, almost immediately, God warned him, “And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die” (vs. 16-17). When placed together, these verses reveal that men are souls and that souls can die!

The prophet Ezekiel was inspired to write (twice): “The soul that sins, it shall die” (18:4, 20). Death is the absence of life. It is the discontinuance—the cessation—of life. Death is not life in another place. It is not leaving “this life” for “another life”—the “next life.”

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I say:

If you are into believing into Jehova (That's the name, he ain't just called 'GOD', you know), you should check the actual bible reference and then see:

If you sin and if you die, you and your soul are just plain dead and gone.

So Dante thought his 'Inferno' up, or let's say he took every bit from pagan cults and beliefs and patched it together.

 

[habo9]

Do you think your almighty god would really impregnate a virgin , without her knowing?

If so why is it gods allowed to sin & we arent?

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If Noah Ark really happened and he saved 2 animals from every species , incest would be pretty common practise , amongst the animals after it , dont you think?

Where are all the spastic Zebras then?

Since the worlds only approx 2000 years old , why is there no mention of dinosaurs on his boat?

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If we are supposed to go foward and multiply , why is sex such a sin?

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Not a lot of people really beleive the bible , would it be better if we re-wrote it as an action hero movie with Bruce Willis in the lead role , then it would be more beleiveable , dont you think?

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[Will E Worm]

Does the Bible feature an in-depth description of hell, or did Dante think of everything in the Inferno on his own?

Dante didn't go to hell.

But, I assure you there is such a place.

1. Hell of Hell
2. Saved From What
3. Death as separation

Luke 16:22-23 (KJV)
22: And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23: And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.


Revelation 20:11-15 (KJV)
11: And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12: And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13: And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14: And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15: And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[thebear247]

I dont really know much on the bible and yeah i do belive in something.
so what if i belive there is a place that my father is waiting so we can be together again.
It keeps me sane and keep me happy to belive in something then just laying in a ground getting eating by worms.
Who care at the end of the day what is real and what isnt its what the person feels and belives in

 

[lurkingdirk]

Could you show me some credentials that would indicate you are in a position to answer questions on this topic?

 

[Namreg]

reported? to whom? your imaginary lord and saviour?

 

[averageJoe]

Sheesh... never discuss religion and politics on a forum! It always turns into a flame war.

 

[LezFemmez]

From a linguistic, philological point of view the Bible definitely is one of the most interesting works ever...but other than that, it is the holy book of lies...:thefinger

 

[GregCentauro]

Truth? You can't handle the truth, offcgibby!

 

[nearlyinvisible]

My question regarding the Bible, is the Bible the word of:

1. God, written by humans under God's divine influence

OR

2. Humans, written by humans as guidebook for the faith/religion they created

 

[Will E Worm]

My question regarding the Bible, is the Bible the word of:

1. God, written by humans under God's divine influence

OR

2. Humans, written by humans as guidebook for the faith/religion they created

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Psalms 119:89 (KJV)
For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

Why King James Only?

 

[Baill Inneraora]

Why King James Only?

Because you think the works of a 1600's Scottish King of England is more important than the works of first century Jewish followers of Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[mrtrebus]

The only thing I praise the Bible for is translator William Tyndale. One of the most important men in the history of the English language, I think he sits alongside William Shakespeare.

 

[Will E Worm]

Because you think the works of a 1600's Scottish King of England is more important than the works of first century Jewish followers of Jesus of Nazareth.

He just commissioned it. Watch the video.

The Jews rejected Jesus Christ and called for His death and tried to kill Jesus themselves.

Matthew 27:21-31 (KJV)
21: The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.
22: Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
23: And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
24: When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
25: Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
26: Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.
27: Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers.
28: And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.
29: And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!
30: And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head.
31: And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.

 

[Baill Inneraora]

Mark, Mathew, Luke, John and the rest pf the apostles were all Jews also.

 

[bean-Laden]

It's all lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Will E Worm]

Mark, Mathew, Luke, John and the rest pf the apostles were all Jews also.

Luke was of Gentile origin. This is inferred from the fact that he is not reckoned among those “who are from the circumcision” (Colossians 4:11; cf. v. 14). When and how he became a physician is not known. He was not one of the “eyewitnesses and servants of the word” (Luke 1:2). On the supposition of Luke’s being the author of the Acts we gather from those passages in which the first person we is employed that he joined Paul’s company at.

Luke was a Gentile. He was Paul the Apostle's, missionary companion to the Gentiles. It is obviously wise for a Jew, as Paul was, to have a gentile companion when preaching and teaching the Gospel to non Jewish people. It is obvious also that Luke's Gospel was written and directed at the gentiles which is again wisdom at work. Through a vision Peter received from the Lord, Luke knew that the gospel was for all people, both Jew and Gentile, male and female, rich and poor, etc. This would apply to Gospel missionaries as well whether they be Jew or gentile.

The question is would the oracles of God be taught to an uncircumcised gentile? The answer is of course! Who is worthy before the Lord Jesus, a Jewish convert to Christianity only? But they who have faith in Jesus Christ; who live righteously and walk humbly before Him in willing service. Who preaches the Gospel in these last days, the Jews? Man is not justified by the law of Moses. They who supposed they were justified, crucified their God.

Also Luke practiced medicine so we can assume he was intelligent - not that ones standing before God is influenced by ones profession or nationality - and we can assume also that the law of Moses; Temple ordinances; Jewish history, etc, would have been discussed by Paul in their travels, after all, Paul was a zealot when it came to the letter of the law of Moses, that's why he was chosen; Place him on the right track and let him go; I say that within great respect for Paul. Besides everything that is written about whether Luke was a gentile or not - and in the scheme of things whereby a person is working out his own personal salvation before God the Father, it matters zero what nationality Luke was, but after all that is said about the matter, the truth is, Luke was born of gentile parents.

Galatians 3:26-29 (KJV)
26: For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27: For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29: And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[ChefChiTown]

Keep on topic. Any posts that are off target will be reported.

Reported to who? Jesus? :dunno:

 

[BlueBalls]

Luke was of Gentile origin. This is inferred from the fact that he is not reckoned among those “who are from the circumcision” (Colossians 4:11; cf. v. 14). When and how he became a physician is not known. He was not one of the “eyewitnesses and servants of the word” (Luke 1:2). On the supposition of Luke’s being the author of the Acts we gather from those passages in which the first person we is employed that he joined Paul’s company at.

Luke was a Gentile. He was Paul the Apostle's, missionary companion to the Gentiles. It is obviously wise for a Jew, as Paul was, to have a gentile companion when preaching and teaching the Gospel to non Jewish people. It is obvious also that Luke's Gospel was written and directed at the gentiles which is again wisdom at work. Through a vision Peter received from the Lord, Luke knew that the gospel was for all people, both Jew and Gentile, male and female, rich and poor, etc. This would apply to Gospel missionaries as well whether they be Jew or gentile.

The question is would the oracles of God be taught to an uncircumcised gentile? The answer is of course! Who is worthy before the Lord Jesus, a Jewish convert to Christianity only? But they who have faith in Jesus Christ; who live righteously and walk humbly before Him in willing service. Who preaches the Gospel in these last days, the Jews? Man is not justified by the law of Moses. They who supposed they were justified, crucified their God.

Also Luke practiced medicine so we can assume he was intelligent - not that ones standing before God is influenced by ones profession or nationality - and we can assume also that the law of Moses; Temple ordinances; Jewish history, etc, would have been discussed by Paul in their travels, after all, Paul was a zealot when it came to the letter of the law of Moses, that's why he was chosen; Place him on the right track and let him go; I say that within great respect for Paul. Besides everything that is written about whether Luke was a gentile or not - and in the scheme of things whereby a person is working out his own personal salvation before God the Father, it matters zero what nationality Luke was, but after all that is said about the matter, the truth is, Luke was born of gentile parents.

Galatians 3:26-29 (KJV)
26: For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27: For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29: And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Wow, Will you actually took the time to write a post longer than two words? That's so unlike you.......

::google search::

Oh wait, no you didn't.

You plagiarist apologist you. :nono:

 

[mrtrebus]

Keep on topic. Any posts that are off target will be reported.