The Sagacious Patriots of New England vs. the Mighty Colts of Indianapolis
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GibbsGrad2002
Mr. Nice gallery
Pats all the way
That's the stuff.
I say Pats by a cunt-hair.
Statistically, Manning and Brady are frighteningly close, but Brady makes less mistakes and Manning is a dome player.
alexpnz
Lord Dipstick
I don't know about that one.
Rings=Greatness and Tom has a handful and Peyton has....well....1!
I don't know about that one.
Rings=Greatness and Tom has a handful and Peyton has....well....1!
Point is, they are both great. Brady's had the benefit of a better coach and a better team.
But at the end of the day, whether you live in Indiana or New England, you are lucky as fuck
to be watching though on of the greatest rivalries in sports history.
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Are my eyes deceiving me??? You can't mean that....I would say Belichick and Dungy were probably equals at least and both played on great teams (as the team concept goes) but Manning's teams had no weaknesses in any area...NE had weaknesses in many different areas throughout the years....one year it would be WRs as management purged and got new ones...the next year it would be Dback field as management would purge good players and get new ones...OLine..etc., etc., etc.
It's easy to ignore but I think it's safe to say Brady has won in spite of this...not because of it.
Ace Bandage
The one and only.
Are you forgetting how awful Indy's defenses have been through the years? Peyton had to put up points because the D couldn't protect a lead. That's the one thing Brady never had to worry about during their title runs. He always had a top ten defense on the other side.
Both quarterbacks are great because they've consistently had great offensive lines. Both of them will admit it, and frequently do. Brady even goes so far as to take his O-line out for dinner every Wednesday night during the season. And he refused to do the American Express commercial a few years back unless they let his line be in it too.
The years in which they've struggled have been because of O-line injuries or breaking in a rookie. I think Peyton is dealing with that this year, which would be a reason the Colts aren't 8-0.
The years in which they've struggled have been because of O-line injuries or breaking in a rookie. I think Peyton is dealing with that this year, which would be a reason the Colts aren't 8-0.
My 3 favorite teams are the Dolphins, and whoever's playing the Jets and the Patriots. Go Colts!
Either that, or a sign of Jenny Craig... :dunno:
You mean Justin Beaver-like hair?
Either that, or a sign of Jenny Craig... :dunno:
Can you find the stats on this? I really want to see how the Colt's defenses faired during those years.
I think it's hard to say that Brady's a better QB than Manning because there's more to rating QB's than rings, and the two are scarily close.
Most people outside of New England (and a lot of people in New England even,) seem to place Manning on top.
But championships is how you rate teams and coaches, so as fine a coach as Dungy may be, you can't seriously be rating him above Belichick.
Regarding teams, the Patriots as an organization has performed better in the past decade. I'm not talking individual players or elements, but
in terms of the organization overall.
That's why Brady has three championships and Manning has one. If Manning had been on Belichick's Pats, he'd have three rings too.
I'm not saying Manning isn't a good QB, I've had the fortune of seeing him live and he is just a marvel to behold, but he sure ain't better than Brady because I think when you have two QBs as good as Brady and Manning, the deciding factor is Superbowl rings and 3 is better than 1 and it's hilarious how you Colts fans get all asshurt about it haha
It's also hilarious how Brady haters never criticize his skills, only his looks. Calling him a pretty boy is really suppose to offend him? Haha where I come from that is a compliment, not a put-down.
There's a problem with your way of thinking. If they were so close that people had to go to the tenth tie breaker to find out who is better, then while gauging Superbowl wins between individuals still wouldn't be that good of a thing, at least it would have a very extremely tiny sliver of reasonableness to it. Unfortunately for your position, if one takes their careers as a whole, Manning has been significantly better than Brady or anybody else of his era and maybe any quarterback ever.
I tend to agree with you regarding organizations..somewhat on the coaching..I would just say that Dungy was successful in two different places...went to Indy and turned a 6-10 Colts team into a 10-6 team the next season and proceeded to not win less than 12 games a year thereafter.
I think there was DEFINITELY as distinction between Manning early in his career versus Manning now and Brady throughout his career.
Manning early in his career dating back to his days at UT was WELL KNOWN for choking....that is, all things being equal on his team and Manning being the reason for his team losing the big game.
On the other hand...Brady was a killer from the word go during his early days with the Pats. They were polar opposites in terms of performing in crunch time.
I mean for example, there's a difference between a basketball player who got his 25 points in the first 3 quarters then goes into a shell in the 4th when the game is on the line versus a player who is prone to getting all 25 of his when the game is on the line. They both have 25 points at the end of the game ...but no one would consider the performances equal. That's the effect of pressure...Manning simply would crack under it early in his career in spite of stuffing the stat sheet over the course of a game....He was doing so nearly up until the DAY he finally manned up and lead the Colts back against the Pats in '06 AFC Champ game.
Their comeback was pretty improbable...as improbable as that completion Eli made against the Pats in the SB...but both happened...but for those 2 improbables...the Pats would likely have 5 SBs with Brady...then there would be no reasonable debate as to who's "better".
We'll probably just have to disagree...because as successful as Brady has and could have been further with the Pats..I honestly think with Colts he would have been as successful if not more so.
They were simply different players early on...though people wouldn't say it because of his stats, Manning was known for choking and Brady was not. Manning is the reason Dungy doesn't have more rings IMO...not the other way around.:2 cents:
Manning doesn't appear to crack anymore and that may be his edge now...we'll see.
That's a really good argument and a damned interesting one to boot.
I'm going to have to completely re-evaluate how I've been looking at it.
On Manning cracking though, it's it more on the important games?
So for regular season, not as much of a factor?
Well..with respect to regular season games...the Colts were simply better than most of their opponents. So it didn't come down to crunch time many times for Manning to have to man up...:dunno:
Ace Bandage
The one and only.
I don't care that much, but trust me, I remember. I shouted many obscenities at my television during those years. And if it wasn't the defense playing like shit, it was our drunken, idiot kicker hooking every clutch kick possible. Fucker missed all of his goddamn kicks during the playoffs.
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