>>>The Republican Party Is The Problem
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gmase
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
It was fucking weird then too. We need a 🐬 to opine.
If anyone hasn't seen it, here is the vid of sinema's thumbs down to raising minimum wage. It clearly shows her walking in, giving mcconnell a pat on the back and sharing words with him before her flamboyant act.
When asked about this, her office responded by saying Commentary about a female senator's body language, clothing, or physical demeanor does not belong in a serious media outlet. In other words, it's sexist to talk about her shitty act.
I hate to sound q-anon like, but for the first time, I'm starting to wonder if some of these red state dems might actually be republican plants. Can't come up with any other explanation for this miserable cunt, everything about her screams republican to me. I imagine she'd be right at home with taylor greene or boebert. Or does mcconnell have something on her, or make some credible threat? Why make such a show of buddying up to him? Is it just because she's scared of her repub constituents?
Here is her vote:
And then she tweeted this the next day:
If Schumer can't get his senators in line real fucking quick, it's going to be back to republicans in 22, and who knows for how long after.
When asked about this, her office responded by saying Commentary about a female senator's body language, clothing, or physical demeanor does not belong in a serious media outlet. In other words, it's sexist to talk about her shitty act.
I hate to sound q-anon like, but for the first time, I'm starting to wonder if some of these red state dems might actually be republican plants. Can't come up with any other explanation for this miserable cunt, everything about her screams republican to me. I imagine she'd be right at home with taylor greene or boebert. Or does mcconnell have something on her, or make some credible threat? Why make such a show of buddying up to him? Is it just because she's scared of her repub constituents?
Here is her vote:
And then she tweeted this the next day:
If Schumer can't get his senators in line real fucking quick, it's going to be back to republicans in 22, and who knows for how long after.
gmase
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Maybe she just disagrees with the policy. A Democrat in a swing state is a bit different than one from a solidly blue state.
A federal minimum wage is not a no-brainer in my opinion.
So you think an argument can be made for someone having a full time job and still living below poverty?
Even if she did "just disagree with the policy," there's no excuse for the way she made a show of giving that thumbs down. (Perhaps unless she's so misguided she thought she was emulating McCain). And even this airhead thinks a federal minimum wage is a no-brainer.
And if she does have a legitimate problem with it, why not articulate that? Instead she pulls this stunt, and then throws the sexism card when asked about it. That level of ignorance and arrogance coupled together is typically only displayed by republicans.
Even if she did "just disagree with the policy," there's no excuse for the way she made a show of giving that thumbs down. (Perhaps unless she's so misguided she thought she was emulating McCain). And even this airhead thinks a federal minimum wage is a no-brainer.
And if she does have a legitimate problem with it, why not articulate that? Instead she pulls this stunt, and then throws the sexism card when asked about it. That level of ignorance and arrogance coupled together is typically only displayed by republicans.
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Luxman
#TRE45ON
For years I believed that there are some elected democrats who are actually undercover republicans.
Republicans will say or do anything to win, they pretend to work for their disinformed ignorant base but they primarily or only work for the rich republican aholes and their bribes.
GOP = Greedy Ole Parasites.
Republicans will say or do anything to win, they pretend to work for their disinformed ignorant base but they primarily or only work for the rich republican aholes and their bribes.
GOP = Greedy Ole Parasites.
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gmase
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Way to jump to conclusions.
Please quote where I said or argued full-time employees should live below poverty.To be precise, I stated:
State and local governments have set minimum wages where appropriate and necessary. There are pros and cons to a federal minimum wage. Any fair-minded person would recognize $15.00 per hour is woeful in New York City, San Francisco, et al.
Plus, what is so arbitrary about $15.00? Why not $20.00?
It's a floor, not a ceiling. And the reason for having a federal one is so that people in - let's just say it - red states, are not at the mercy of their state legislators.
States like Georgia, where they're currently working on laws making it illegal to give water to people standing in line to vote, or Kentucky, where they're trying to make it illegal to insult police officers during protests, are not known for legislating in the interests of their constituents. A federal minimum wage offers some level of protection to people living in those kinds of places. States where legislatures ARE interested in the welfare of their constituents are of course welcome to set their minimum wages higher if they choose.
In that regard, in my mind, it IS a no-brainer.
I'm just going to assume you forgot to read that before you posted it and it's not what you meant.
This is from 2012, so I think we can safely assume that the current numbers have only gotten worse.
Edit: here's a better one, 2019. Also includes some justification for $15 minimum wage.
States like Georgia, where they're currently working on laws making it illegal to give water to people standing in line to vote, or Kentucky, where they're trying to make it illegal to insult police officers during protests, are not known for legislating in the interests of their constituents. A federal minimum wage offers some level of protection to people living in those kinds of places. States where legislatures ARE interested in the welfare of their constituents are of course welcome to set their minimum wages higher if they choose.
In that regard, in my mind, it IS a no-brainer.
I'm just going to assume you forgot to read that before you posted it and it's not what you meant.
This is from 2012, so I think we can safely assume that the current numbers have only gotten worse.
Edit: here's a better one, 2019. Also includes some justification for $15 minimum wage.
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Theopolis Q. Hossenffer
I am in America, not of it.
There is something to be said for a Federal minimum. I say that because there already is a substantial one. It's called Welfare, Snap, Section 8 housing, etc. These are the Government programs people rely on when wages don't allow them to afford to pay cash to live. So one way or the other we all pay for a minimum. Either with higher taxes or higher prices. I know I mentioned when my wife worked for Mercury Insurance out of California they would send a letter to their lower paid employees telling them what government programs they might be eligible for. But not to worry cause the suckers won't believe it anyway.
gmase
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
@mongo18: Now that you've gotten that off your chest, let's go to the archives for what I stated:
As I stated, there are pros and cons. Thank you for making the pro argument, it is persuasive.
What is so magical about $15.00 though? Your map actually makes my point about a $20.00 minimum. The $15.00 level is only appropriate in 5 states (assuming I counted correctly) and going to $16.00 brings the list to a dozen (same assumption on correctly counting). It's not really solving the problem though.
The issue is working a full-time at a minimum-wage job in order to support a family. That is not very practical at any level. Affordable housing and healthcare should be more of a priority in my view.
I did not state a full-time employee should live below the poverty line. You won't find it to quote it.
Who said anything about a ceiling?
As I stated, there are pros and cons. Thank you for making the pro argument, it is persuasive.
What is so magical about $15.00 though? Your map actually makes my point about a $20.00 minimum. The $15.00 level is only appropriate in 5 states (assuming I counted correctly) and going to $16.00 brings the list to a dozen (same assumption on correctly counting). It's not really solving the problem though.
The issue is working a full-time at a minimum-wage job in order to support a family. That is not very practical at any level. Affordable housing and healthcare should be more of a priority in my view.
gmase
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
We need to pay with both higher taxes and higher prices. When the consumer continually looks for - and purchases - goods with lower prices, the suppliers will accommodate them. Manufacturers will then go lower by finding cheaper labor in order to cut costs.
Theopolis Q. Hossenffer
I am in America, not of it.
gmase. gmase, gamase.. What about those folks who are already paying big taxes(I know one place) and really and truly cannot afford to pay 5-10% more in higher taxes plus a big increase in retail prices? One of the reasons cheap stuff is popular is that a lot of folks can only afford that. Maybe 40% of the populace? Remember the story about what 60% of Americans don't have $400 lying around for emergencies? And maybe not making minimum wage but not a $30.00 per hour job either. Some folks are like me, Cheap. And of course Keeping up with the Jones(remember hat old chestnut) is a big factor as well. Remember the primary rule of Capitalism, Buy or build as low as possible and Sell as High as possible. The issue today is that the societal norms that once kept things calmer are gone. Shame at being just too rich and flaunting it. Pressure to do good works as the churches used to teach. We are now much more than I think we have been in a long time(To Quote Curly) "All for One, One for all, and every man for himself.
In my philosophy any business that can't get by with paying their workers a decent living wage so they can have an adequate standard of living just doesn't deserve to be in business in the first place.
The government shouldn't subsidize corporations low pay so they can continue with business as usual as they rake in profit. They should just be forced to pay decent wages so government programs for the poor are less needed.
gmase
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
It's easy to agree with you there. Who are the companies deserving to go out of business? I could personally do without fast food.
Stop dealing with reality @bubb. It is not becoming of you.
As D-rock states above, if you can't pay you can't play. In all seriousness, the network is intertwined and it is not as as simple as most people (me included) make it. If we desire cheaper goods, then the costs of production and distribution need to go down. I would bore you with my personal experience with the steel industry and its legacy in Pittsburgh during the 70s, but that's for another day. Simply put, my dad was paid a living wage to work in a mill until a cheaper source was found.
Theopolis Q. Hossenffer
I am in America, not of it.
Once wages overseas were low enough to make them and shipping costs to the US lower, even by a small amount. US industry was basically doomed. The Ronald ended unions and The Former GOP put a big dent into as many employee protections as possible the end was in site. I watched a Public TV show few year ago called Victorian Slum House which basically showed the evolution of tenement life from the 1800's to the early 20th century in London. Very educational. I put a link to it below. I am afraid of a reverse Back to the Future if we keep going as we have. Take a look and let us know what you think
https://www.pbs.org/show/victorian-slum-house/
https://www.pbs.org/show/victorian-slum-house/
gmase
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Damn you with more reality. I thought it was all castles and royalty over there.
Your comment on Reagan ending the unions brings up a question: How can the party of capital also be the party of the 'working class' as they are now branding themselves?
https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/co...votes-covid-relief-middle-class-20210307.html
Ted Cruz at CPAC: the GOP will be “the party of steel workers and construction workers and pipeline workers and taxi cabdrivers and cops and firefighters and waiters and waitresses and the men and women with calluses on their hands who are working for this country.”
If the Republicans really believed in this message, wouldn't they support the federal minimum wage, stimulus checks, worker protections, and better access to healthcare for these workers?
Great Republican once said "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
Theopolis Q. Hossenffer
I am in America, not of it.
On statement one, Ask MeganDamn you with more reality. I thought it was all castles and royalty over there.
Your comment on Reagan ending the unions brings up a question: How can the party of capital also be the party of the 'working class' as they are now branding themselves?
https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/co...votes-covid-relief-middle-class-20210307.html
Ted Cruz at CPAC: the GOP will be “the party of steel workers and construction workers and pipeline workers and taxi cabdrivers and cops and firefighters and waiters and waitresses and the men and women with calluses on their hands who are working for this country.”
If the Republicans really believed in this message, wouldn't they support the federal minimum wage, stimulus checks, worker protections, and better access to healthcare for these workers?
Great Republican once said "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
On statement two, sleight of mind(like sleight of hand but easier)
Statement three, The Donald hasn't said it's ok yet
Statement four, he's canceled
And about Ted, he and Marjorie have a planning session scheduled. Lauren can't come though, her gun carriage won't fit through the door.
Jesus fucking christ how many times do you have to be told???? It's ALL about to start trickling down, just give it a god damn minute! They gave trillions in tax cuts to the rich just a couple years ago, the trickle is on its way!
And if not....
gmase
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Don't pee on me and tell me it's raining.
In case anyone was wondering how far Graham is willing to go to embarrass himself for the Florida retiree:
https://www.axios.com/lindsey-graha...rty-613ce2af-8914-4764-9492-80a8424c628c.html
There is much material there, but this sums it up nicely:
"What I'm tryin' to do is just harness the magic. To me, Donald Trump is sort of a cross between Jesse Helms, Ronald Reagan and P.T. Barnum."
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