The Price of Children
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For some reason the contrast of white..(children) and black..(market) stood out in yer post. Hm.
But yes, as Rhino put it.. why would you want to introduce a new soul into this messy reality? If I wanted to have a kid, would a kid want to have me? Always seemed pretty selfish to me to want something that'll be your responsibility for the rest of your life and not plan in the least for it. Start a college/trust fund or two. Look into better living conditions. Solve some STD's or fight off hunger first.
Or.. what about this: Why do you want a kid, there are plenty walking around already. Enrich their lives, instead. Donate. Teach. Feed some homeless ones. Which is akin to.. ya dont always hafta build an expensive, land-hungry new house. You can renovate an old one.
The strangest thing was that my son sent me this, not my daughter.
I'd expect something like this from my daughter because we've always been closer than my son. My son was a "handful" to raise, caused much grief to his poor Mother and gave me many a sleepless night.
All my children have been "accidents" - never planned for them.
For well over 25 years, my wife and I have sweated and slaved to build a stable future for our children. Our kids caused us much hardship, sleepless nights, worry, stress, heart ache and even grief.
But they also gave us immense joy, pride and happiness.
I miss my kids now. I miss hearing my son's booming voice about the house. I miss my daughter's "hug and kiss". My heart pangs for my children and waits eagerly for those few days in the year when they return home...
If I had to do it all over again, I would in the blink of an eye. Through all the colics, crying, tantrums, hurtful thoughtless words and deeds - I would do it all over again.
Off all my accomplishments in life, none have given me greater joy and pride than being a Husband and a Father.
cheers,
PS: Does it look like I'm the kind of person who cares if it sounds "cheesy" or "uncool"?
I'd expect something like this from my daughter because we've always been closer than my son. My son was a "handful" to raise, caused much grief to his poor Mother and gave me many a sleepless night.
All my children have been "accidents" - never planned for them.
For well over 25 years, my wife and I have sweated and slaved to build a stable future for our children. Our kids caused us much hardship, sleepless nights, worry, stress, heart ache and even grief.
But they also gave us immense joy, pride and happiness.
I miss my kids now. I miss hearing my son's booming voice about the house. I miss my daughter's "hug and kiss". My heart pangs for my children and waits eagerly for those few days in the year when they return home...
If I had to do it all over again, I would in the blink of an eye. Through all the colics, crying, tantrums, hurtful thoughtless words and deeds - I would do it all over again.
Off all my accomplishments in life, none have given me greater joy and pride than being a Husband and a Father.
cheers,
PS: Does it look like I'm the kind of person who cares if it sounds "cheesy" or "uncool"?
dave_rhino
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Haha, don't worry I don't think anyone will think your "cheesy" or "uncool"...
Well, maybe just a little cheesy :1orglaugh :thumbsup:
Well, maybe just a little cheesy :1orglaugh :thumbsup:
Of course it's a little "cheesy" - we're talking about kids here man! :1orglaugh
After having recently ended a relationship that I thought would have ended in that (she was the one that ended it), and me looking forward to it, now I'm reading what I'll be missing
Be glad that you didn't have kids and then have that happen.
cheer up...you'll find that again
Post of the week!
Thank you for not breeding.
...nothing personal, just a general thought.
you wanna leave your mark on the world
by bringing another boy or girl
into this terrible fucking place
i think its selfishly derate
and you're too arrogant to see
all the reasons why you shouldn't breed
we have people starving on the streets
but you want to make another mouth to feed
a million kids that already need a home
but you say you've got to have one of your own
its your attempt at immortallity
i think its pure stupidity
...nothing personal, just a general thought.
you wanna leave your mark on the world
by bringing another boy or girl
into this terrible fucking place
i think its selfishly derate
and you're too arrogant to see
all the reasons why you shouldn't breed
we have people starving on the streets
but you want to make another mouth to feed
a million kids that already need a home
but you say you've got to have one of your own
its your attempt at immortallity
i think its pure stupidity
The world is what we make it ...
The world is what we make it (as well as of it).
If responsible, loving people want to bring kids into the world ...
Maybe, just maybe, they will provide some counter-balance to the non-sense.
Especially (thinking US) since successful, self-reliant American Libertarian-thinkers seem to be only having barely over 1 kid per family.
That's versus the 3.3 kids per family of the left, American poor Liberal-Socialist and 3.1 kids per family of the right, American "I think religion solves everything" Conservative.
Especially when no one said a child had to absolutely be actual off-spring, and it did open the door for adoption and other things (some did quote that aspect, if applicable).
And especially when we are talking about people who care for their children, and not the results of people who are not responsible.
The more loving, caring, self-reliant, successful people having kids, the brighter the hope is for the US (among others) in the future.
It's hardly "arrogant" or the other insults you fired off, especially given the type of successful, self-reliant, free-thinking people we seem to have here.
Especially against the people who are having kids only to breed them into blind, social-pandering or "you need God" judgemental adults.
My wife and I may not be bringing a child into this world.
But we not only salute those responsible people who do, but we also try to do our part to involve ourselves in those children that are our future.
As I'm sure many people here do.
I had to stop reading there (especially since it only got worse at first glance).
The world is what we make it (as well as of it).
If responsible, loving people want to bring kids into the world ...
Maybe, just maybe, they will provide some counter-balance to the non-sense.
Especially (thinking US) since successful, self-reliant American Libertarian-thinkers seem to be only having barely over 1 kid per family.
That's versus the 3.3 kids per family of the left, American poor Liberal-Socialist and 3.1 kids per family of the right, American "I think religion solves everything" Conservative.
Especially when no one said a child had to absolutely be actual off-spring, and it did open the door for adoption and other things (some did quote that aspect, if applicable).
And especially when we are talking about people who care for their children, and not the results of people who are not responsible.
The more loving, caring, self-reliant, successful people having kids, the brighter the hope is for the US (among others) in the future.
It's hardly "arrogant" or the other insults you fired off, especially given the type of successful, self-reliant, free-thinking people we seem to have here.
Especially against the people who are having kids only to breed them into blind, social-pandering or "you need God" judgemental adults.
My wife and I may not be bringing a child into this world.
But we not only salute those responsible people who do, but we also try to do our part to involve ourselves in those children that are our future.
As I'm sure many people here do.
Dont have kids. Its a big waste. Think of all the places you could travel to & things you could do if you dont have kids. Kids are a burden. Alot of people have kids because society puts pressure on them. So many kids grow up to be druggies, convicts & drop outs & could care less about there parents as they get older. I also beleive that only very rich people should procreate. Because its so unfair to children if you are poor & cant send them to good schools & have them live in a safe neighborhood.
Yes, my wife and I enjoy that right now.
But in 20 years, I'm not so sure.
Sorry, don't agree. Maybe 40, 30 or even 20 years ago, but not today.
And they are often a reflection of their parents -- not always, but often it's environmental.
Would that put them even more "out-of-touch" with personal responsibility?
I like the fact that 90% of "the rich" are self-made, and not people who merely inherit what they have.
My wife included -- from a "dirt-poor", "constantly moving because no shelter", "sometimes didn't have food on the table" childhood.
And I wasn't born with a silver-spoon, and grew up in a house where I had to work in the family business, just to make what we needed to live.
We now pay in the top tax bracket, and we pay a significant "marriage" penalty because of it (only those in the lower brackets don't pay as much / or have no "marriage" penalty).
But I accept it because I don't have kids, and quite a bit of discretionary income.
At the same time, I put all my discretionary income into investments, which create private sector jobs (but that's another discussion).
If everything came easy, how would some people ever succeed beyond what others stated they were or were not capable of.
Furthermore, time and time again, the "ability" of and "opportunities" for a child have far more to do with the actual involvement of their parents than their "parent's wealth."
And to really piss off the liberal (majority) side of this board -- it's only statistical that those of "more income" and "success" in their career(s) tend to be parents who take a more active role in their child's life.
Sad, but a true statistic -- it actually has nothing to do with wealth or income itself, that's just the resulting statistics.
My #1 move to help kids ...
If I was a Congressman, I would sponsor a bill that would benefit people (and force those who provide benefits to address those) who "live together" -- including same sex or otherwise.
It would take the entire, alleged "homo" aspect out of it (despite what PC terms they want to use) -- and finally get to addressing the real problem!
The problem is that our kids are growing up in 1 parent families, and that's very difficult.
I want to smack this shit out of both the Democrats and Republicans on this, they both should be ashamed for making it political.
I.e., if the Democrats truly embrace love and caring for fellow man/woman, they would stop favoring single-parent families and benefits for such.
And if the Republicans truly embraced love and caring for fellow man/woman, they'd drop the whole "only man-woman" non-sense and the unobjective consideration of what the state defines as "marriage."
Hell, when even Bill O'Reilly believes that the government should consider two (2) same-sex parents as far more positive than only one (1), that tells you something!
We need to promote two (2) parents in families, period.
That means if I was a single parent (e.g., my wife died), and my best friend was also a single parent (e.g., his wife died, left, etc...), then it should let us live together and extend our benefits to one another.
It should also get rid of the stupid marriage penalties at all levels (although I have to say it's much better at the lower level than it used to be).
And that also means no more benefits to single mothers (or fathers) on welfare or any other benefits to people who live on their own (or live with someone without declaring).
If you live under the expense of the tax payer, you're going to have to live with some, especially if you are unemployed, but can serve in another regard to someone else.
Don't like it? Then get off the tax-payers dime! Until then, you will not receive benefits without balancing some of the burden by sharing a dwelling with someone else.
Especially if you have kids. It will actually help because their could be one working and one raising -- or, at least, it will statistically.
At some point, I seriously hope both the Democrats and Republicans wake up to this -- and the expenses their rhetoric/counter-rhetoric continues to cost the tax-payer.
And especially how much it hurts our children to be without two (2) parents and that setup -- regardless of who they are and what they do.
If I was a Congressman, I would sponsor a bill that would benefit people (and force those who provide benefits to address those) who "live together" -- including same sex or otherwise.
It would take the entire, alleged "homo" aspect out of it (despite what PC terms they want to use) -- and finally get to addressing the real problem!
The problem is that our kids are growing up in 1 parent families, and that's very difficult.
I want to smack this shit out of both the Democrats and Republicans on this, they both should be ashamed for making it political.
I.e., if the Democrats truly embrace love and caring for fellow man/woman, they would stop favoring single-parent families and benefits for such.
And if the Republicans truly embraced love and caring for fellow man/woman, they'd drop the whole "only man-woman" non-sense and the unobjective consideration of what the state defines as "marriage."
Hell, when even Bill O'Reilly believes that the government should consider two (2) same-sex parents as far more positive than only one (1), that tells you something!
We need to promote two (2) parents in families, period.
That means if I was a single parent (e.g., my wife died), and my best friend was also a single parent (e.g., his wife died, left, etc...), then it should let us live together and extend our benefits to one another.
It should also get rid of the stupid marriage penalties at all levels (although I have to say it's much better at the lower level than it used to be).
And that also means no more benefits to single mothers (or fathers) on welfare or any other benefits to people who live on their own (or live with someone without declaring).
If you live under the expense of the tax payer, you're going to have to live with some, especially if you are unemployed, but can serve in another regard to someone else.
Don't like it? Then get off the tax-payers dime! Until then, you will not receive benefits without balancing some of the burden by sharing a dwelling with someone else.
Especially if you have kids. It will actually help because their could be one working and one raising -- or, at least, it will statistically.
At some point, I seriously hope both the Democrats and Republicans wake up to this -- and the expenses their rhetoric/counter-rhetoric continues to cost the tax-payer.
And especially how much it hurts our children to be without two (2) parents and that setup -- regardless of who they are and what they do.
Re: My #1 move to help kids ...
I assume you mean well with this, but what you are typing seems to be that if you are a single parent; find someone else to live with or forget the government helping you any longer. Or at least, ever additionally.
You are pre supposing that the single mother in question knows someone that she can trust with her children. What if she is not dating anyone and has no friends/family that she trusts enough? Or even likes enough, to live with her and her child(ren)? She is supposed to live with someone she doesn't like/trust?
I have known dozens and dozens of single mothers (and a few single fathers). And few of the (IMO) good ones are willing to just let anyone look after their children (outside of professional day care persons).
What you are proposing would hurt the children more then anyone, in my opinion. And that, after all, is why the single parents receive the benefits they do.
I will gladly pay a few extra tax dollars per year to help those children that find themselves in that situation - obviously through no fault of their own.
I assume you mean well with this, but what you are typing seems to be that if you are a single parent; find someone else to live with or forget the government helping you any longer. Or at least, ever additionally.
You are pre supposing that the single mother in question knows someone that she can trust with her children. What if she is not dating anyone and has no friends/family that she trusts enough? Or even likes enough, to live with her and her child(ren)? She is supposed to live with someone she doesn't like/trust?
I have known dozens and dozens of single mothers (and a few single fathers). And few of the (IMO) good ones are willing to just let anyone look after their children (outside of professional day care persons).
What you are proposing would hurt the children more then anyone, in my opinion. And that, after all, is why the single parents receive the benefits they do.
I will gladly pay a few extra tax dollars per year to help those children that find themselves in that situation - obviously through no fault of their own.
I think you are being a touch hard on the guy, though you did type 'nothing personal'.
But generally, I agree with you and I strongly applaud what I think you mean by this post.
(Note: the rest of this post is directed at all persons. Not just the above mentioned fellow)
Do a search sometime of the reasons that most people in the West (and maybe everywhere) choose to have children. And the reasons almost always start with 'I want'.
'I want someone to carry on the family name.'
'I want someone to take to ball games.'
'I want someone to love.'
'I want someone to never leave me.'
'I want someone to carry on the family business.'
'I want someone to take care of'.
'I want to save my marriage.'
'I want to get my parents off of my back for grandkids.'
'I want...'
I personally beleive that more then 70% of those that have children do it for selfish reasons.
And I can think of few things more selfish then to create a human life just to please yourself.
You risk causing a child pain and misery just so they can make yourself feel better?
Do it for the children's sake or do not ever do it at all.
First off, it is not a big waste, because I have done enough in my life that I don't feel I need to have such freedom. Second, kids are only a burden if you have them but don't really want them. The kids that grow up to be druggies and convicts or whatever, probably did not have good parents to begin with. Granted, a lot of factors contribute to kids becoming drug addicts or convicts, but i guarantee you that one major factor is a terrible upbringing by parents who probably should have never had kids in the first place. Society in general doesn't pressure people to have children, if anything, religion does that. In the end, it's a personal choice, we aren't robots, I had kids because i wanted to, not because society or anything else pressured me to do so. Let me also add to the fact that we were all kids, and to those who say having kids is a waste or a burden or whatever else, maybe you should be glad that your parents didn't think the way you do, or else you wouldn't be here. Only the rich should have kids? That is probably one of the stupidest things i have ever heard in my life. I have provided a good life for my kids and I am far from rich. Besides, being rich sure as hell doesn't mean you will be a good parent. Look at Paris Hilton, her parents should be ashamed of her. Big fucking deal she grew up with a good home and the best of everything. Look at her now, a spoiled little cunt who thinks she is so much better than all of us. Yea, the rich should be the only ones allowed to have kids, good call there.
bigbadbrody
Banned
Well said Mr rhino:thumbsup:
The only good thing about having children is that when I am old and frail, I will have somebody to look after me:rofl: Well.... atleast I would hope my kids (thats if I ever have some) would do so
Here are some of what I "wanted"
the joy of watching them grow up
to experience that unconditional love thing
to see them smile,laugh,and play
to feel real pride
memories that will last my lifetime
birthday parties
graduations
to share is "beautiful world"...you know it's not that bad
I could go on and on.....
But please know that I respect all of your opinions, this was just mine :2 cents:
the joy of watching them grow up
to experience that unconditional love thing
to see them smile,laugh,and play
to feel real pride
memories that will last my lifetime
birthday parties
graduations
to share is "beautiful world"...you know it's not that bad
I could go on and on.....
But please know that I respect all of your opinions, this was just mine :2 cents:
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