Ivy Adams
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You're a cold-hearted woman, Ivy!
Do I think that Max Verstappen is a world champion in the making? Yes. Do I think Kvyat is? Probably not. But Red Bull aren't currently a world championship winning team. McLaren having two world champions isn't doing them much good. Up until the last race, you could have made a case for Vandoorne replacing either Alonso or Button on the basis that he has more potential and that he had scored points for the team whereas they hadn't!
I agree that it wasn't a knee-jerk reaction in as much as it was all planned out, they merely used it as a trigger to execute their plan. As previously stated, I don't doubt that it was Marko's agenda to have Kvyat replaced at the first opportunity - and it must've really wrangled with him that Daniil finished ahead of Ricciardo in last season's championship otherwise he'd have had more of a case to do it in the winter. If it had've been done then, there wouldn't be such a furore about the whole thing as everyone may have already anticipated a promotion such was everyone's excitement over Verstappen's potential. However, doing it in this manner has humiliated Kvyat on the back of one mistake. No other driver on the grid would be replaced for a one-off incident like this.
In other words, he has been made an example of for the appalling crime of not being as good as Max Verstappen - one of those drivers of the calibre that comes along once in a blue moon, as opposed to doing anything wrong. The inference is that he's done something truly unacceptable whereas the truth is they just prefer Max. So I again say, why not promote Max during the close-season rather than being such jerks about the whole thing.
The ruthless and calculated nature of the whole thing is what I have an issue with, but you seem to think it is perfectly acceptable in which case of course we're not going to agree. To drop him is one thing but Marko needs to not also come out with bullshit remarks like "this is not a demotion" and "we want to help his career instead of harm it". The poor bloke will be crushed at this moment in time.
I think you're also proving once again Ivy that hot girls are attracted to heartless behavior such as this and why us sensitive folk with hearts don't stand a chance.
Yes, Red Bull is not currently a world champion. That's my point! They want to be world champion, obviously. They know that there is a better chance of that happening with Verstappen... I totally agree that it was harsh on Kvyat and humiliating etc. my point was they don't care that it was harsh. They saw the chance, they took it. They don't care about feelings, they care about results. My boyfriend is a race car engineer and the number one thing in every situation of his career is that it doesn't matter what position you're in, you either perform or you find another job. Period. There is no room for less than excellence, no room for mistakes, because someone else wants that job just as bad and is willing to out perform you at every turn.
.. and I also agree with the comments Marko said being ridiculous. At least call it like it is. Kvyat may be crushed at a moment like this, but it's how we recover from our failures that prove our worth. He still has time to prove himself, he can either cry about the injustice of it all while he still collects a paycheck most people will never have the pleasure of getting, or he can prove that they made a mistake.
Technically, not being as good as Max Verstappen IS justifiable for why he was demoted, honestly. That's racing. If you're not the best, someone else will be. Every team in Formula 1 wants to win. If they aren't winning, they are going to make adjustments to do so. Why would a driver who ISN'T as good be on the top team, and a driver who is better be on the junior team? If THAT alone isn't enough reason to make a swap, then what is?
As far as Mclaren goes, just because you were once a world champion doesn't mean you always will be. Alonso was with Ferrari and wasn't performing. SHOCKER, he lost the opportunity. Just because they didn't do a switch in the middle of a season with Vandoorne, doesn't mean they aren't considering him. I think it's incredibly telling that Vandoorne came in and did better than either of the regular Mclaren drivers in a car that has been having issues. Also, there's a little bit of a difference with Alonso and Button both being established as previous world champions whereas Kvyat has never proven himself in the past. I also don't think that we should be comparing what Mclaren does versus what Red Bull does. McLaren Honda does not have a car that can win a world championship right now, and Red Bull does.
Also... I tried to give you reps for this, but it wouldn't let me.
So just know I did it in my heart. My cold, dead heart. I agree with you on this, that they were just waiting for the opportunity to strike.
That may be the case, but it sure as hell helps to predict an outcome. When somebody has been given the faculties to compete for world champion and doesn't deliver (when that is the ultimate goal) and they see an opportunity where a different driver could have that potential, they will strike. There is no knowing, but there is calculated guessing based off statistics and history and pure talent when stacked up against each other. It's all of those things combined that let you predict whether or not someone is going to be a world champion. Not just career history, although that plays a part. My point was that when you look at Kvyat vs. Verstappens career history, you can see which one has the drive and the talent over the other. Which one has the potential for becoming a world champion. Lewis Hamilton has never said "I can't get around this guy" about Kvyat, and Kvyat has never been able to drive any car to its maximum potential.
What it comes down to for me guys, is Ya'll should know by know (if you were around in Verstappens rookie year when I was waxing poetic about him) that he is my favorite driver. I've been on his side from day one when everyone was talking **** about him entering F1 at such a young age. You guys should all just accept the fact that I am all knowing and can predict the future.
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