boxter is same as the 914, the 80hp porsche.... awful!
The new Toyota Supra
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boxter is same as the 914, the 80hp porsche.... awful!
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Porsche has had a habit of selling overpriced (IMO), underpowered cars that rely on the Porsche name to make up for their shortcomings. I've also never cared for the Boxster. I'd have bought a Miata or a last gen Toyota MR2 instead, and been just as happy. You could stage mod either of those cars, spend thousands less, have better performance and handling, and also have a car that wouldn't cost a fortune to maintain. And I think either is just as attractive as the Boxster, just without the Porsche badge. But with that said, there is a derivative of the Boxster that does kick all kinds of ass (though it's not cheap): the Cayman. The Cayman GTS and GT4 models are what the Boxster could have been, and what the 911 used to be: a real sports car with power and handling prowess, without all the frilly, fluffy add-ons that poseurs demand.
I don't care for the rear end styling of the new Corvette. But I could see myself buying a last gen Corvette that hasn't been beat on. I think the Vette is about the best $/fun that you can buy these days. And I've never had a V8 sports car before. A V12 grand touring car isn't the same thing. The Vette will handle with the best that's out there these days. Plus, they are very affordable to mod. :yesyes:
My guess: the Toyota in the OP may be Toyota's answer to the new Honda/Acura NSX and the Nissan GT-R. Has anybody heard a rumored price for the Supra? I'm guessing $75K base to $100K for a premium model. But I don't know.
I don't care for the rear end styling of the new Corvette. But I could see myself buying a last gen Corvette that hasn't been beat on. I think the Vette is about the best $/fun that you can buy these days. And I've never had a V8 sports car before. A V12 grand touring car isn't the same thing. The Vette will handle with the best that's out there these days. Plus, they are very affordable to mod. :yesyes:
My guess: the Toyota in the OP may be Toyota's answer to the new Honda/Acura NSX and the Nissan GT-R. Has anybody heard a rumored price for the Supra? I'm guessing $75K base to $100K for a premium model. But I don't know.
I agree with you 3. Or another muscle car that can beat the porsche......... the Dodge Challenger Hellcat ! The GT-R is beuatiful and the NSX I don't know, nobody knows the performane of the car.
But if the future Supra will cost around the 100 000$ I hope that it will be a 6 cylinder twin turbo because 100 000$ of 4 cylinder I prefer to buy a Golf 6 R reprogramed and this will be much better.
But if the future Supra will cost around the 100 000$ I hope that it will be a 6 cylinder twin turbo because 100 000$ of 4 cylinder I prefer to buy a Golf 6 R reprogramed and this will be much better.
What type of car or brand you like ?
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That's why Vettes are so popular. Affordable power and performance, in an American package, and if you're into Vettes, an attractive automobile. I am not a fan of Corvettes, other then the split window 1963 model, but I would tend to believe that's more American muscle, and not sports car handling. The new Vettes are designed to hang with the European, and Japanese sports cars...although I don't think of them in the same class as a Lambo, or Ferrari......neither is the price tag, so they are popular. Hell, if you REALLY know how to drive a car like that, you can pick up the older Dodge Vipers, pre traction control for a pretty reasonable price tag. But they will break loose in the corners, and off of the line, if you don't know how to drive. All of the modern sports cars have electronic traction control, and lock outs to restrict power, when necessary. Even the Mustang, and I would bet the Hellcat have 2 different keys. One for the street, and one that unlocks the beast.
I read that it'll start at $40K.
This might be the first Supra I've somewhat like the body style on it. It might not seem that important, but if I had a lot of cash and was going to mod up a car like people like to do with Supras I would also want it to look good also for the cash that's put into it. Fast cars that look like slightly glorified family sedans don't do it for me.
Yes, there are so many things i do agree with, except that the Cayman is a boxter coupe in fact. Yes even lotus elise was build over the toyota mr2, and is expensive because has the lotus badge, nowadays the rich kids are ruining the tuning scene with factory modded cars, but there is this: pay a lot for fancy name or be fast?
in fact i've been looking lately for a porsche tu tune, boxters go cheap, you can get them for 3K, while a 2000 911 carrera can't go under 10k. but it's all about the badge, altho they are fast when tuned.
Corvettes have V8, but huge sized, but their racing pedigre is shown on the roads as well.
what car do you have Rey C. ?
Corvettes have V8, but huge sized, but their racing pedigre is shown on the roads as well.
what car do you have Rey C. ?
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
You've earned another one:
That must be why my 1984 Mazda RX-7 race car has NO rust in it and my 2004 WRX has paint that looks like it just rolled off the showroom floor.
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Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I rode in a mid 90's Viper GTS and it was crazy. The amount of torque those things put out is outrageous! A 1998 blue with white stripes Viper GTS would be on my dream car list. And yeah, the '63 split window Vette is IMO one of the most beautiful cars of all time. It would hang with the sports cars of its time. But modern minivans will out handle and out-brake a lot of the old classic sports cars. I think if GM had picked up styling cues from the '63 for the latest Vette (instead of hanging the squared-off ass end of a new Camaro on it), they'd have one ultra desirable car. Then it would be flat gorgeous and a best bang for the buck. I kind of figure that a used Vette will be the last sports car that I'll buy... before I start driving sedans in the slow lane, with my left blinker always on.
What were you saying about rust? You get another one:
But I guess on the upside, if you just want an average 4 door American sedan from the 60's or 70's, not as many people will be bidding against you.
Yeah, that's what I mentioned: the Cayman is a derivative of the Boxster platform. It's not the exact same car, but they share a platform and certain architecture. I liked the original MR2 (Mister Two). And it was reading about the Lotus influence that made me a fan of that one. Lotus has always had kit-car like build quality. But even now, they handle and brake like nobody's business. I'm a HUGE Colin Chapman fan and Lotus was my favorite (classic) F1 team. He was an incredible genius. One of the few that, if he were alive today, could make Adrian Newey look average.
I've looked at both Porsches and (used) Ferraris in the past. If you love all kinds of cars (which I do), it's impossible to ignore the desire for one of those legendary nameplates. But owning one is worse (for your wallet and sanity) than having a stripper girlfriend with a coke habit. I had one hell of a deal on a 308 GTS lined up years ago and a decent deal on a 348 later. But both were right at the 30,000 mile service mark. Guess what that was going to cost? I did. And my guess was WAY low. So I kept walking (thankfully). But just like Porsches (even worse), the good deal that you make in buying them will probably turn into a HUGE money pit once you start buying those fancy, schmancy factory parts and specialized tools. Yeah buddy, Porsche and Ferrari are mighty proud of anything they sell. I might lease a Porsche if I got drunk enough and stumbled into a dealership. But once burned, twice shy; I wouldn't buy another one... unless I had HD pictures of a European garage owner's daughter doing nasty things with a farm animal.
As for cars, I've had and have more than I want to admit. I recently got rid of a Jag XK8, but hung onto the V12 XJS for sentimental reasons. I still have the WRX (Stage 2) and just got an STI Ltd. that I took to Stage 2+. Once it was tuned to Stage 2+, it became the first car that's ever scared me. I have yet to take the car into a turn where I could actually break it loose. And that was before I reworked the suspension. I'm sure it's pulling well over 1g in cornering now, if not before. I'm trying to sell the RX-7 racer. And I have some other project vehicles... that will probably still be projects when they throw that last shovel of dirt onto my face. Women don't get my money. Cars have always been my preferred mistresses and drugs of choice. I can turn and walk away from any girl - never has really phased me. But I can't help myself when it comes to cars.
I rode in a mid 90's Viper GTS and it was crazy. The amount of torque those things put out is outrageous! A 1998 blue with white stripes Viper GTS would be on my dream car list. And yeah, the '63 split window Vette is IMO one of the most beautiful cars of all time. It would hang with the sports cars of its time. But modern minivans will out handle and out-brake a lot of the old classic sports cars. I think if GM had picked up styling cues from the '63 for the latest Vette (instead of hanging the squared-off ass end of a new Camaro on it), they'd have one ultra desirable car. Then it would be flat gorgeous and a best bang for the buck. I kind of figure that a used Vette will be the last sports car that I'll buy... before I start driving sedans in the slow lane, with my left blinker always on.
What were you saying about rust? You get another one:
But I guess on the upside, if you just want an average 4 door American sedan from the 60's or 70's, not as many people will be bidding against you.
Yeah, that's what I mentioned: the Cayman is a derivative of the Boxster platform. It's not the exact same car, but they share a platform and certain architecture. I liked the original MR2 (Mister Two). And it was reading about the Lotus influence that made me a fan of that one. Lotus has always had kit-car like build quality. But even now, they handle and brake like nobody's business. I'm a HUGE Colin Chapman fan and Lotus was my favorite (classic) F1 team. He was an incredible genius. One of the few that, if he were alive today, could make Adrian Newey look average.
I've looked at both Porsches and (used) Ferraris in the past. If you love all kinds of cars (which I do), it's impossible to ignore the desire for one of those legendary nameplates. But owning one is worse (for your wallet and sanity) than having a stripper girlfriend with a coke habit. I had one hell of a deal on a 308 GTS lined up years ago and a decent deal on a 348 later. But both were right at the 30,000 mile service mark. Guess what that was going to cost? I did. And my guess was WAY low. So I kept walking (thankfully). But just like Porsches (even worse), the good deal that you make in buying them will probably turn into a HUGE money pit once you start buying those fancy, schmancy factory parts and specialized tools. Yeah buddy, Porsche and Ferrari are mighty proud of anything they sell. I might lease a Porsche if I got drunk enough and stumbled into a dealership. But once burned, twice shy; I wouldn't buy another one... unless I had HD pictures of a European garage owner's daughter doing nasty things with a farm animal.
As for cars, I've had and have more than I want to admit. I recently got rid of a Jag XK8, but hung onto the V12 XJS for sentimental reasons. I still have the WRX (Stage 2) and just got an STI Ltd. that I took to Stage 2+. Once it was tuned to Stage 2+, it became the first car that's ever scared me. I have yet to take the car into a turn where I could actually break it loose. And that was before I reworked the suspension. I'm sure it's pulling well over 1g in cornering now, if not before. I'm trying to sell the RX-7 racer. And I have some other project vehicles... that will probably still be projects when they throw that last shovel of dirt onto my face. Women don't get my money. Cars have always been my preferred mistresses and drugs of choice. I can turn and walk away from any girl - never has really phased me. But I can't help myself when it comes to cars.
well seems we are brothers somehow
yes, well when it comes to porsche's i always considered the way of building them with custom parts, way cheaper but altho the money u invest on them, you can get a *** sport car, or any european car with a good engine, cheaper and tune it more. Seen some mazda rx-8 for 1700 euros, revolution LRS, with 230 hp. the mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 is expensive and older comparing to mazda, however the rx-8 isn't good as the rx-7, it's still a good car for a project. The impreza is a legend, I like your taste for cars, those 2, the STi and RX7 are japs finestI like too the cars of the years 60-70 even Sedan, I like any vehicle type of any year but the Japanese are not worthless as what you think, it's your opinion and I respect it we cannot force somebody to like every car. But every car as her own defect
larss
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I have owned 3 Toyotas (Corolla GTi, Carina E GTi and currently GT86), a Lexus (GS300 Mk2) and a Nissan SX200 (mk2).
None have had any rust. All have been well equipped with plenty of room (except the GT86 and SX200 which are both 2 seater sports cars - plenty of room in front, none at the back).
In fact, I got into the back of a Toyota Aygo the other day and it had plenty of both head and leg room (and I am 6ft), especially considering that this is a small "city" car.
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I have owned 3 Toyotas (Corolla GTi, Carina E GTi and currently GT86), a Lexus (GS300 Mk2) and a Nissan SX200 (mk2).
None have had any rust. All have been well equipped with plenty of room (except the GT86 and SX200 which are both 2 seater sports cars - plenty of room in front, none at the back).
In fact, I got into the back of a Toyota Aygo the other day and it had plenty of both head and leg room (and I am 6ft), especially considering that this is a small "city" car.
nissan 200sx? it is a 4 seater car.... if i'm not wrong
larss
I'm watching some specialist videos
It does have seats at the back in the same way as a lot of sports cars have seats at the back. Totally unusable for anything other than a child's car seat, seating a small child. No leg room (behind me at least). I often wonder why they bother to do that. Same in the GT86.
yea, i know, but it comes as 4 seater from factory but those seats are made to be removed!
haven't been in touch with the GT86 here, but A bud of mine has an AE86
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Mainly for insurance reasons. 2 seats = pure sports car (recreational) = high premiums. 4 seats = GT car = more moderate premiums.
