the best part of obama's fuck ups are not that everyone fucks up (as president or otherwise) but that when W's fuck ups were pointed out one was anti-american (naughty) but when obama's fucks ups are pointed out it's cuz he's destroying the country and the talker is saving us the US...do as i say not as i do...lovely
The I Told You So Obama Will Fuck Up Thread
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Philbert
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Now that's just silly...don't you even think a little before you post?
Lot's of people criticized Bush...Hannity, Rush, die-Hard conservatives..and those other types. That's what we do here...speak our minds.
And all the whining when Obama gets deservedly criticized won't change that.
UnAmerican is reserved for surrender Monkey types, etc.
Yeah, I could see that.
You were here, I assume, for the last eight years...didn't you pay attention at all?
(Were you even old enough to vote?)
LOL! Blues of the Blue? That is just flat out wrong. The district has been very Republican until Gilibrand (D) won a very close race and knocked off a long time incumbent Republican in 2006.
You're right the fact that its a race in a heavy republican district is bad news for the Republicans. Democrats shouldn't be competing in that district.
It was ridiculous, sorry.
And any reasonable idiot could predict a sustained conflict in an oil producing country would drive oil prices higher but here you go anyway....
http://www.smh.com.au/cgi-bin/common/popupPrintArticle.pl?path=/articles/2002/12/27/1040511163885.html
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Philbert
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Maybe a reasonable idiot would not worry about a predictive 2002 article and look around in 2008-2009 for actual price variations and see where the controlling factor was...futures traders, or speculators, created the artificial price and consumers produced the price fall by not consuming the large supply of gasoline.
There was no shortage of oil supply or gasoline...
Obama blows!
Hasnt done shit except increase debt and lie about pulling troops out of Iraq even though I still think we need to keep some there to keep them from attacking us.
Hasnt done shit except increase debt and lie about pulling troops out of Iraq even though I still think we need to keep some there to keep them from attacking us.
Oil prices started to rise sharply in the spring of 2004 when the Iraq insurgency was at its fiercest and it was clear it would be sustained. That continued until the "surge" brought reported violence in Iraq under control...that's just a fact. Certainly inventory surpluses helped but that's not nearly THE reason for lower oil pricing as it's a commodity traded on the futures market.
When you say "futures trader, or speculators, created the artificial price" you're right but WHAT THE IN THE WORLD do you think their speculation was based on Einstein if but predicted disruption due to the war in Iraq???? You apparently don't understand anything about trading on futures.
To suggest oil pricing went from the mid $30s to a high of in the mid $140s and back down based on supply and demand elasticity is UTTERLY naive and ignorant IMO.
To the degree higher prices affected economies...what do you think is going to happen when consumers spend nearly a four fold increase in gas prices?? They won't be spending that money on other shit. The end result, the oil industry enjoys record profits and businesses in other industries go out of business or lay people off. Is it really that difficult to figure out??
Demand is down?? Wowww, what a prodigious observation when you consider fewer people work now and have less money or need for gasoline.
Philbert
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I won't call You Einstein, that would be insulting to his memory.
You are so unconnected to the world, think you got some sharp mind, and miss just about all the clues that you're not too sharp.
World demand has more to do with oil prices, as prices reflect ...the future. Futures? Get why they are called that?
The spot market might have a million barrels of oil available from Iran, not committed by contract (a future), and the price will be $*** depending on what future demand China, Germany, etc might have.
Not how much oil is right now available/not available in Iraq. The House of Saud could make up in a week any lost Iraq oil supply to the West, as does Mexico, Venezuela, Kuwait, etc.
When the prices speculated so high, demand stopped and prices went down for future oil, possibly in a tanker on it's way to Southern European ports...because there was plenty of it for months to come, as well as gasoline. Otherwise the price would have been awfully high no matter what.
A great deal of available supply is already contracted in one form or another to one Mega Oil company or another; where do you get your experience with the price of oil and futures?
Make it up, or read on Google a really old speculative article and run post here about Iraq and GW causing the high gas prices?:rofl:
There are several articles written pre-U.S. led invasion of Iraq saying the same thing....It's not just one....sorry.
Beyond that it should be common sense what effect destabilized an oil producing country would have on oil pricing.
You have it partly correct when you recognize the role speculation played in increased oil pricing but you seem to think it was some sort of fraud.
No, speculation is part of how futures are traded. And again, supply and demand elasticity cannot remotely explain oil pricing between '04 and '09.
A person would have to suspend any connection with reality to believe worldwide demand and consumption increased nearly four fold in four years.
oh yeah bush was criticized and the critical people were told that they were un-american...now obama is criticized because he is 'un-american' do you see the distinction? and it's not like i voted for obama or gore or kerry either, i vote for third parties cuz i like to 'throw my vote away' (i'm told) for someone i actually believe in not one of our useless two primary parties (it's a two party system which is very democratic)
GabberMan
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You know what? Even if you don't care, a lot of us in Europe really like Obama. When I hear some Americans' negative comments about him I often think that they are revealing themselves to be quite insular and un-worldly. Okay, he keeps fucking up with that shitty auto-cue thing, but the speeches are still good - they might not fit in at all with how a lot of US citizens think their country should be, but in World terms he is so much better than any American president for a long time. Next time an American slags him off, they might want to consider how he's fairing on the world stage - pretty cool, really. America might be a big powerful country with great wealth and geographical advantages that set it apart from everyone else, but listen: the world is a smaller place now; your neighbours and enemies are much closer than you think. In case anyone hadn't noticed, the world is at war, and in my opinion I reckon you've now got a man in power who doesn't like that fact. He should be appreciated more.
Speeches? Really Cool? No wonder why Europe is all fucked up, and so is the rest of the West (namely America). We need real Patriots, like the Founders, who fought for the good of the people and recognized that small government was what made America the great country to begin with. You Euros really have no clue.
GabberMan
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I don't think Europe really is that fucked up. Thanks for the response though.
A. Eurowithnoclue.
- No right to bear arms.
- Islamofascists burning down entire cities.
- uncontrolled immigration policies
- An F-d up health care system
- Unprecedented taxes
- A snotty attitude towards America because of our rights and freedoms.
Europeans are a dubious bunch. :2 cents:
Thank you :hatsoff: I take that as a complement.
GabberMan
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So do I. Especially the arms part, the dubious part, and as for the entire cities being burned down, maybe I'm watching the wrong news channels.
Isnt that the Daily Mail? Now we can only hope they create their own News channel. I suppose we dont really need it, Fox New's plays on Sky 24 hours a day.
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They have an awesome celebrity gossip department though.
Branson's brand is way cooler
