The Gun Control debate thread

2 more college shootings, one arizona and 1 texas

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34487997

Gun control necessary yet?

How many in Chicago today? They already have the laws in place that you seek for everybody else. I know that at least one of these shootings stemmed from an argument much like several more today will probably occur. Basically I am telling you to stick your gun control up your ass and if for nothing else, you seem rather happy about it for political reasons. I also can't help but wonder how many illegal aliens perpetrated a crime on an American citizen today in a sanctuary city that will go unreported and that you and other libtards could give a flying fuck about. God I hate liberal filth and their tyrannical mindset disguised as social justice.
 
How many in Chicago today? They already have the laws in place that you seek for everybody else. I know that at least one of these shootings stemmed from an argument much like several more today will probably occur. Basically I am telling you to stick your gun control up your ass and if for nothing else, you seem rather happy about it for political reasons. I also can't help but wonder how many illegal aliens perpetrated a crime on an American citizen today in a sanctuary city that will go unreported and that you and other libtards could give a flying fuck about. God I hate liberal filth and their tyrannical mindset disguised as social justice.

:1orglaugh

You crack me up with how serious you take this shit
 
God I hate liberal filth and their tyrannical mindset disguised as social justice.

That's awesome, because there's plenty more coming at you. The republican party is going to keep falling apart, while the 40 or so free dumb caucus members that have been holding the entire country hostage start to eat each other and the majority of the population (who are exceedingly liberal, by your standards), will get about repairing the damage that the republican party has done here over the last few decades. With a bit of luck and some good choices, America might even become a first world country again!
 
^^^^^^^^^ filthiest of the filth.

You contribute nothing to a discussion but left-wing kookdom and you are insulting to anyone you disagree with.

You're an angry, sad little man. I guess that's the only possible result of thinking that you're the country's savior and then being confronted every day with the fact that the country doesn't want or need people like you, and would be better off without you.
 
And down goes one of the greatest anti gun-control myth used by gun advocates the myth that Hitler was a gun control advocates and that he used it to retain power

Ben Carson Is Wrong About Hitler and Guns



Ben Carson said Thursday that Adolf Hitler’s mass murder of Jews "would have been greatly diminished” if German citizens had not been disarmed by the Nazi regime…"But just clarify, if there had been no gun control laws in Europe at that time, would 6 million Jews have been slaughtered?" Blitzer asked.

"I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed," Carson said…"I’m telling you that there is a reason that these dictatorial people take the guns first."

This got me curious: Did Hitler take away everyone's guns? As you can imagine, I know zilch about the history of gun control in Germany, so I surfed over to Wikipedia, the source of all knowledge, for a quick refresher course. Here's what they say:

- In 1919, the Treaty of Versaille disarmed Germany. "Fearing inability to hold the state together during the depression, the German government adopted a sweeping series of gun confiscation legislation." This was long before Hitler came to power.
- In 1928 this legislation was relaxed. "Germans could possess firearms, but they were required to have [] permits…Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to '…persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a permit.'" Again, this was before Hitler came to power.
- In 1938, Hitler relaxed the law further. Rifles and shotguns were completely deregulated, permits were extended to three years, and the age at which guns could be purchased was lowered to 18.

Now, Hitler did effectively ban Jews from owning guns in 1938. However, this is highly unlikely to have affected the fate of the Jews even slightly. The Nazis were considerably better armed and organized, and if Jews had taken to shooting them it would have accomplished nothing except giving Joseph Goebbels some terrific propaganda opportunities. The 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising is a good example of this: Jews fought back, and the result was a few dead Germans and 13,000 dead Jews.

The bottom line is familiar to anyone with even a passing knowledge of history: Hitler was popular. He didn't need to take away anyone's guns. Whatever you think about gun control, using Hitler to defend your position is a bad idea.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/10/ben-carson-wrong-about-hitler-and-guns

Hitler did not needed gun control to do all the evil he did. All he needed was ton convince the german people that he was the good guy, that he was standing for them, for Germany, that jews, communists, gypsies and gays were the evil ones.
To seize and retain power over a country as a dictator, propaganda is much more effective than gun control and Hitler had one of the greatest propaganda genius of all time on his side : Joseph Goebbels


You may say "This comes from Wikipediaz and Wikipedia is bullshit". Fair enough. Then : http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcnazimyth.html
What must be remembered is that the Nazis were master manipulators of popular emotion and sentiment, and were disdainful of people thinking for themselves. There is the danger to which we should pay great heed. Not fanciful stories about Nazi's seizing guns.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
And down goes one of the greatest anti gun-control myth used by gun advocates the myth that Hitler was a gun control advocates and that he used it to retain power


Hitler did not needed gun control to do all the evil he did. All he needed was ton convince the german people that he was the good guy, that he was standing for them, for Germany, that jews, communists, gypsies and gays were the evil ones.
To seize and retain power over a country as a dictator, propaganda is much more effective than gun control and Hitler had one of the greatest propaganda genius of all time on his side : Joseph Goebbels


You may say "This comes from Wikipediaz and Wikipedia is bullshit". Fair enough. Then : http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcnazimyth.html

Just like nobama, billarry, and slow joe.

JustBC said:
How many in Chicago today? They already have the laws in place that you seek for everybody else. I know that at least one of these shootings stemmed from an argument much like several more today will probably occur. Basically I am telling you to stick your gun control up your ass and if for nothing else, you seem rather happy about it for political reasons. I also can't help but wonder how many illegal aliens perpetrated a crime on an American citizen today in a sanctuary city that will go unreported and that you and other libtards could give a flying fuck about. God I hate liberal filth and their tyrannical mindset disguised as social justice.

I love this post so much, I think I want it tattooed on me.
 
They did disarm the citizens. Just like everything the left has to do to forward their agenda. Discredit and lie about their true motivations. The end justifies the means. How does it feel to be a part of an ideology that has to lie to get people to capitulate? Because nobody buys into liberalism unless it is sugar coated. Oh and Mother Jones lol
 
They did disarm the citizens. Just like everything the left has to do to forward their agenda. Discredit and lie about their true motivations. The end justifies the means. How does it feel to be a part of an ideology that has to lie to get people to capitulate? Because nobody buys into liberalism unless it is sugar coated. Oh and Mother Jones lol

Have you ever learn to read ?
Hitler relaxed the [gun control] law.

Hitler did not confiscate any gun from the german people (except the jews, whose german nationality had been ripped off from them). On the contrary, he made it easier for the germans to get guns.
The previous government took the guns, Hitler gave them back.
Hitler was against gun control
 
They did disarm the citizens.


no they didn't

WE disarmed germany after WW1 (treaty of versailles)

in 1928 (before nazis came to power) rules were relaxed to allow germans to possess firearms, within limits

during their time in power the nazis Further relaxed gun control (which you would surely have been in favour of - not sure if you would have agreed with any other policies of theirs ;) )

eg in 1938 they removed Completely restrictions on owning rifles and shotguns, permits were extended and age to buy gun was lowered to 18

nb: in 1938 Jews Were banned from owning guns in Germany.

but, for the purposes of this discussion, jewish people could have had access to guns before then, and also, most jewish holocaust victims did not actually come from, or live in, what was nazi germany


the Anti-Defamation league says Carson is talking shit - and i don't think they have a dog in the gun control fight, they're trying to protect the memory of the victims of the holocaust

from idiots like him trying to score political points through lying about one of the worst atrocities in human history



now Just BS, i know that facts, research, reason etc aren't things you're very interested in - but when discussing something like the holocaust can you maybe try, just a little bit, to stay in touch with reality :)
 
no they didn't

WE disarmed germany after WW1 (treaty of versailles)

in 1928 (before nazis came to power) rules were relaxed to allow germans to possess firearms, within limits

during their time in power the nazis Further relaxed gun control (which you would surely have been in favour of - not sure if you would have agreed with any other policies of theirs ;) )

eg in 1938 they removed Completely restrictions on owning rifles and shotguns, permits were extended and age to buy gun was lowered to 18

nb: in 1938 Jews Were banned from owning guns in Germany.

but, for the purposes of this discussion, jewish people could have had access to guns before then, and also, most jewish holocaust victims did not actually come from, or live in, what was nazi germany


the Anti-Defamation league says Carson is talking shit - and i don't think they have a dog in the gun control fight, they're trying to protect the memory of the victims of the holocaust

from idiots like him trying to score political points through lying about one of the worst atrocities in human history



now Just BS, i know that facts, research, reason etc aren't things you're very interested in - but when discussing something like the holocaust can you maybe try, just a little bit, to stay in touch with reality :)
Now this is just God damned propaganda twisted to make the gun control of Germany seem innocuous . Just like all the other lies liberal filth put forward. When we disarmed, we disarmed the government. Gun regulations were imposed and communists and Nazis did not comply and it facilitated their rise to power. Those that did not comply were denied food and or executed. The same model and arguments made during the chaos of Germany's Weimar Republic are being made now. Tyranny cannot succeed against an armed citizenry and the framers knew this. Those that do not know history are doomed to repeat it. Which is exactly what nut jobs like you bank on. Spill your BS somewhere else to the mindless drones that will buy it. From my cold dead hands motherfucker.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
I like how that moron Blakey has the balls to call a neurosurgeon "Idiot." Racist asshole. See? We're learning from President Stompy Foot and his supporters. If you disagree with him on any issue you are automatically a racist. I for one, will be reporting every post you make that is critical of this man because it's clearly rooted in racism and cannot possibly have any merit because you're blinded by racism. Shame on you.
 
I like how that moron Blakey has the balls to call a neurosurgeon "Idiot." Racist asshole. See? We're learning from President Stompy Foot and his supporters. If you disagree with him on any issue you are automatically a racist. I for one, will be reporting every post you make that is critical of this man because it's clearly rooted in racism and cannot possibly have any merit because you're blinded by racism. Shame on you.
Yep. It is because Carson is black. Really black.
 
everything the admittedly brilliant brain surgeon carson says, that doesn't relate to neurosurgery, is idiotic

so, ipso facto, he's an idiot (apart from the surgery bit)



for proof, see his comments on, for example, oregon shooting, guns & hitler & holocaust, the debt ceiling, getting threatened with a gun in Popeyes (which baltimore police department say they have no evidence of ever happening) etc etc



so he's a fool, so he fits in well with other GOP presidential candidates :D
 
everything the admittedly brilliant brain surgeon carson says, that doesn't relate to neurosurgery, is idiotic

so, ipso facto, he's an idiot (apart from the surgery bit)



for proof, see his comments on, for example, oregon shooting, guns & hitler & holocaust, the debt ceiling, getting threatened with a gun in Popeyes (which baltimore police department say they have no evidence of ever happening) etc etc



so he's a fool, so he fits in well with other GOP presidential candidates :D
The Baltimore police department haven't been able to produce much evidence of anything lately much of which is not their fault. Carson's account stands.
 
I could post a list of idiotic statements made by our sitting president that would look like the Magna Carta of idiotic statements compared to anything Carson has said. As for engaging in reasoned debate, I rise to the level of my competition. Some are worthy of it as I have had a few enjoyable exchanges today. You're the JV Team.
 
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