The Drug War Escalates
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According to experts and scholars, prohibition is the problem and not the solution
^ That valdidates the fact that the trillions of dollars of taxpayers money wasted to wage a war on drugs for a few decades has been an epic failure
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Drug Wars – 5th Edition
Photos captured by Reuters the 5th in a series I guess capturing the ongoing feuds in Mexico I came across. Pretty graphic some of these pics...
Photos captured by Reuters the 5th in a series I guess capturing the ongoing feuds in Mexico I came across. Pretty graphic some of these pics...
It amazes me that despite BLATANT evidence in the form of "Prohibition of Alcohol in the United States and the rise of violent, organized crime" - people still have a knee-jerk reaction to "drugs".
People, each and EVERYONE of us "consumes" drugs. Stop trying to hide behind your shield of "well these are legal and those are not!" That's just semantic bull crap and you know it (the number ONE problem in the US today is prescription drug abuse. Not Heroin, Not Pot, Not Cocaine ... "prescription drugs".)
You CANNOT legislate "morality".
How many more people and how many more rights have to "die" before YOU (yes! You there by the bike shed!) stop VOTING in IDIOTS who promise "tough on drug crime" stupidity?!!
You'd have better success by criminalizing "drug induced/influenced behavior which lead to a crime". (the bolded part is important but I'd rather not elaborate if no one is interested).
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Rey C.
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That's all very true. While I'm in favor of legalizing most (now) illegal drugs, I realize that simply repealing the current drug laws wouldn't fix everything.
What's odd to me is that so many people assume that if you're for legalization of most drugs (especially pot), you must be a pothead at the very least. I tried it in college and didn't like it. I didn't like the feeling it gave me. But I don't feel like it's any of my business if someone else wants to smoke a joint or have a beer, some wine or a mixed drink.
IMO, legalize it, regulate it and tax it... just like alcohol and tobacco. That won't turn the world into a sweet & easy place overnight. But that would take SOME of the profit out of it for the cartels, smugglers and dealers.
All we've done up to this point is lock up millions of people and waste billions of dollars. And as much as I make fun of Sarah Palin, even she (an evangelical type) has supported legalization to some degree. She might not even fully understand the issue (what's new?), and was just latching onto a long held position of Ron Paul. But at least she said something semi-intelligent that I can agree with.
I crossed into Mexico last night. Decided to go to Reynosa instead of Matamoros where the big shot got killed where I figured it was going to be more dangerous. It was eerily quiet for a saturday night. One of the most popular strip joints was almost empty and only three cars in the parking lot, one of them mine. A street that is famous for having a lot of taco stands was very quiet, just a few customers and some places didn't have any. I drove by the most popular night club near the border (not a strip joint but a dance place) and there was no people outside when back a few weeks ago they had a long line of people waiting to go in and some hanging out outside, and it was around midnight.
But all this violence is fueled by money from U.S. potheads. Okay, you potheads want to legalize it, that's fine. But right now that is illegal you all are paying for all this violence you complain about. So make a pledge then. No buying or smoking pot or any drugs until it's legalized. That will kill two birds with one stone 1) you cut off money to the cartels so they'll have to fight the Mexican army with sticks and stones and 2) you prove that marihuana is not addictive. Any takers? At least one?
But all this violence is fueled by money from U.S. potheads. Okay, you potheads want to legalize it, that's fine. But right now that is illegal you all are paying for all this violence you complain about. So make a pledge then. No buying or smoking pot or any drugs until it's legalized. That will kill two birds with one stone 1) you cut off money to the cartels so they'll have to fight the Mexican army with sticks and stones and 2) you prove that marihuana is not addictive. Any takers? At least one?
vodkazvictim
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Drugs are bad. Mmmmkay?
The double standard on legal and illegal drugs is nonsense. It is inconsistent for those who support drug prohibition to consume legal drugs peddaled by pharmaceutical, tobacco and beer companies which are lethal, addictive and dangerous
Drugs=Money=Wars
it is simple supply and demand
current DEA policy attacks the supply side of the problem, so it raises prices making it more lucrative for the drug dealers
if they just switched how they spent the money (last time I checked it was 18 billion on enforcement and 300 million on prevention) and attacked the demand side of the problem, there would be no problem
it is amazing how simultaneously great and fucked up our country can be
current DEA policy attacks the supply side of the problem, so it raises prices making it more lucrative for the drug dealers
if they just switched how they spent the money (last time I checked it was 18 billion on enforcement and 300 million on prevention) and attacked the demand side of the problem, there would be no problem
it is amazing how simultaneously great and fucked up our country can be
That's when applied to the US. Mexico doesn't really have a problem with the drugs themselves, so much as the gangs that pedal them ruling the streets. Legalizing any of those drugs wouldn't do a single thing.
Spleen
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Not true. Mexico has the third largest level of reported cocaine abuse. USA being number one, of course, with New Zealand and Colombia not far behind.
Fair enough. What I meant specificially, is that legalizing anything won't accomplish anything. The primary problem for Mexico is reducing cartel power, much of which is supported by US dollars, and specifically focus on the cartel stranglehold on the streets.
Am I missing something? Doesn't the billions of dollars in illegal drug money enrich these cartels & give them enough power to raise small militias?
Wouldn't legalizing drugs itself reduce Cartel power ?:dunno:
Hasn't this been debated in theory & actually tested during the prohibition of alcohol here in America?:dunno:
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