The Biden Presidency

xfire

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The whole damn Trump family was found guilty of charity fraud, but yeah, Hunter Biden deserves to be disproportionately roasted/convicted because dEmOcRaT. And that's the least of what The Orange Swine Trump and his crime family are gulity of. GFY @georges.
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Welle let's not forget that if Biden was so irreprochable as he wouldn't invoke the executive privilege in order to block the emails from his son, but knowing Creepy Joe Biden, he invoked executive privilege to block 200 Hunter Business dealings emails . Furthermore to that how do you explain that Hunter Biden allegedly used Air Force 2 for overseas trips, that now lawmakers demand records . Pretty sure it has a lot to with Business dealings with Chinese firms. Also how do you explain the beyond despicable attitude from a president with Biden talking once again about lightning strike, small kitchen fire at house and comparing it to Maui devastation , it is degrading and insulting towards the victims of the Maui devastation, yet again Creepy Joe makes a sick joke of what happened which was a real drama (it is not the first he makes such gaffes) . Not everybody is forgiving with that kind of humor or should I say this way of making deliberate stupid gaffes. Another thing is that unemployment spikes as job market continue to cool, not a very encouraging sign of the Bidenomics.
You do realize Trump has been using ‘executive privilege’ pretty broadly, correct? Or has the Western Journal not reported on it? For someone who once said ‘only guilty people take the 5th’, he invokes it quite liberally in its many forms.

To be clear: No one (Biden, Trump, Hunter, Jared, et al.) is above reproach. We all are accountable. To be honest, in this two-tier justice system we have here, the rich and powerful are not held very accountable.

As for Maui - instead of worrying about some throw away comments from a political figure, we worry about the uninsulated power lines which may have been the proximate cause? Maui learned the same lesson as California a few years back. If you ignore the maintenance in exchange for short-term profits, the public pays.

https://apnews.com/article/hawaii-w...r-utilities-9f23f79821ea50256f0725ac9b0b3905#

All Presidents have turned into gaffe machines. It is a job requirement now. Biden at least owns up to it:
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/25/joe-biden-2020-public-gaffes-mistakes-history

You remember when Trump was glorifying those Revolutionary War troops for occupying airports? We could play this tit-for-tat game until kingdom come.
 
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gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
A tale of two headlines:

Headline: Unemployment Rate Spikes in New Jobs Report, Defying Economist's Expectations
https://www.westernjournal.com/unem...-jobs-report-defying-economists-expectations/
  • Is a 3-basis point rise from 3.5% to 3.8% really a spike? The article notes that 187,000 new jobs were added despite economists anticipating 170,000.

Headline: US adds 187K jobs in August, jobless rate rises to 3.8 percent
https://thehill.com/business/4182653-us-adds-187k-jobs-in-august-jobless-rate-rises-to-3-8-percent/
  • This article actually provided context about the increase in unemployment: "While the jobless rate rose 0.3 percentage points in August, the labor force participation rate rose 0.2 percentage points after being largely flat since March."
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Diapers do need regular changes.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/western-journalism/
Overall, we rate Western Journal Right Biased and Questionable based on story selection and editorial opinions that strongly favor the right and numerous failed fact checks.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politico/
Overall, we rate Politico Left-Center biased based on story selection and editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-hill/
Overall, we rate The Hill Least Biased based on balanced editorial positions and news reporting that is low-biased. We also rate them Mostly Factual in reporting, rather than High, due to previous opinion columns promoting unproven claims.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
The one and I believe deciding factor that will, if he pulls through with his second candidacy, decide his election is:

He is NOT Donald J. Trump.
 
The one and I believe deciding factor that will, if he pulls through with his second candidacy, decide his election is:

He is NOT Donald J. Trump.
Which is why the GOP needs to ensure they have a new candidate if they hope to have a chance.
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Obviously this will not make it past the Senate, but it's almost funny that this might mean 2 presidencies in a row who faced impeachment.
After going 1 for 41, the US will be 3 for the last 5. I’m not certain the Biden inquiry will lead to an impeachment vote. They first need to find the evidence to support their hypotheses.
 
After going 1 for 41, the US will be 3 for the last 5. I’m not certain the Biden inquiry will lead to an impeachment vote. They first need to find the evidence to support their hypotheses.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they generally vote along party lines, so the evidentiary threshold to get to a vote is probably pretty low.
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they generally vote along party lines, so the evidentiary threshold to get to a vote is probably pretty low.
You are correct and my statement was too vague. Getting to a vote will be easy enough, actually impeaching Biden will be tougher without new evidence.

A better way to phrase it:
After going 1 for 41, the US will be 3 for the last 5. I’m not certain the Biden inquiry will lead to an actual impeachment. They first need to find the evidence to support their hypotheses.
 
Biden decries ‘extremism’ on Supreme Court, details plan for term limits, ethics code for justices
https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-reform-biden-harris-trump-ffd48f3a2023aeca841bb53c2147ef03

President Joe Biden said Monday that “extremism” on the U.S. Supreme Court is undermining public confidence in the institution and called on Congress to quickly establish term limits and an enforceable ethics code for the court’s nine justices. He also called on lawmakers to ratify a constitutional amendment limiting presidential immunity.

Too little, too late. No way this is going to happen during his presidency. Admittedly, if he managed to get these passed, I'd have a little more respect for him. He probably thought he was going to select the next couple SCOTUS justices, so he thought he was going to benefit from the status quo. Only when he realized that wasn't the case, he decided to actually take action, and it's come to bite him in his ass.
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Too little, too late. No way this is going to happen during his presidency. Admittedly, if he managed to get these passed, I'd have a little more respect for him. He probably thought he was going to select the next couple SCOTUS justices, so he thought he was going to benefit from the status quo. Only when he realized that wasn't the case, he decided to actually take action, and it's come to bite him in his ass.
I am not sure what is biting him in the ass. Getting anything done over the past few years would have been difficult. Given the ages of the justices, one justice was likely the maximum he was going to appoint. Breyer’s retirement was a gift.

You correctly state this will not happen in 2024. If the Dems take control in Congress, then it has a chance in 2025. (The Dems may take the House, but retaining the Senate is an uphill battle.) Any reforms would take a generation to implement anyway since limits cannot be retroactively applied.

The next President may get 2 since there are 4 justices near or above 70. Let’s say Harris wins and gets to replace Alito and Thomas (a long shot since they would not retire during a Dem presidency). It would now be 5-4 leaning liberal. How much eagerness would there be to implement reforms?

I would suggest the nomination process needs addressed as well. Trump got one extra judge because the Republicans held up Garland’s nomination by Obama. (And he benefitted from their about face and fast-tracking Barrett’s nomination.)
 
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John_8581

FreeOnes Lifetime Member
If Donald Trump wins the Presidential election on November 5, 2024 ... he's going to make it 7-2. Further dividing the country. Apparently, Liberal Associate Justice Sonia Sotomayor is the most likely justice to be stepping down and leaving the judiciary.
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Biden’s administration negotiated a prisoner swap with Russia. Apparently, it was a testament to Trump’s strength. WTF?
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4806049-vance-trump-prisoner-swap/

I concur with Biden’s national security advisor: “I don’t follow.” Paul Whelan was arrested in 2018, so why didn’t Trump’s strength matter then?

Trump engaged in at least 4 prisoner swaps, so he is just making shit up now. I am shocked by his attempts to discredit this outcome - or take credit for it. :LOL: Just kidding, it is what he does best.
 

georges

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Staff member
Biden’s economy is still roaring as job creation is strong and incomes are up. What happened to all of the doom and gloom predictions from 2020?

https://thehill.com/business/4709515-us-adds-272000-jobs-in-may-blowing-past-expectations/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereks...under-biden-and-trump-from-jobs-to-inflation/ I quote:
"Stock market:Stocks performed better under Trump, though both presidencies coincided with stronger-than-average gains—the S&P 500 index has posted an annualized return of 11.8% since Biden took office in 2021, compared to 16.3% under Trump (and there most certainly hasn’t been the stock market crash under Biden that his opponent forecasted in the 2020 race).

Inflation: Inflation has been far worse during the Biden administration, up 19% over the first 42 months of Biden’s term compared to 6% during Trump’s first 42 months, according to the government’s consumer price index. Year-over-year inflation peaked under Biden at a four-decade high of 9% in 2022 before falling to just over 3%—which Biden has blamed on COVID-19’s lingering impact and the Russia-Ukraine war.

Consumer health: Consumer sentiment was lower last month than it ever was under Trump, according to the University of Michigan’s widely tracked survey, as Americans continue to feel the aftershocks of inflation despite strong headline economic growth numbers and a record stock market. July’s 2.9% personal savings rate, which measures the percentage of Americans’ income left over after expenses and taxes, was less than half of April 2019’s 6.8%. The savings rate never fell below 5% under Trump.

Gas prices: The average cost of a gallon of gasoline dipped from $2.37 to $2.28 from Dec. 2016 to 2020, rising to $3.24 by Monday, according to the Energy Information Administration—but gas prices rose to an all-time high of over $5 per gallon in 2022 shortly after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine caused energy prices globally to spike, as the U.S. and its allies vowed to not buy oil from Russia, the world’s third-largest oil producer.

Federal debt: The federal government’s national debt of $35.3 trillion is more than 25% higher than the day Biden took office, after rising 39% during Trump’s presidency, up from $19.95 trillion in Jan. 2017—with the U.S. running a total deficit of $5.85 trillion from its 2021 to 2023 fiscal years, compared to $2.43 trillion from 2017 to 2019 and a record $3.13 trillion in 2020 alone."

Is this what you call a brilliant presidency? I called that a failed one.
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereks...under-biden-and-trump-from-jobs-to-inflation/ I quote:
"Stock market:Stocks performed better under Trump, though both presidencies coincided with stronger-than-average gains—the S&P 500 index has posted an annualized return of 11.8% since Biden took office in 2021, compared to 16.3% under Trump (and there most certainly hasn’t been the stock market crash under Biden that his opponent forecasted in the 2020 race).

Inflation: Inflation has been far worse during the Biden administration, up 19% over the first 42 months of Biden’s term compared to 6% during Trump’s first 42 months, according to the government’s consumer price index. Year-over-year inflation peaked under Biden at a four-decade high of 9% in 2022 before falling to just over 3%—which Biden has blamed on COVID-19’s lingering impact and the Russia-Ukraine war.

Consumer health: Consumer sentiment was lower last month than it ever was under Trump, according to the University of Michigan’s widely tracked survey, as Americans continue to feel the aftershocks of inflation despite strong headline economic growth numbers and a record stock market. July’s 2.9% personal savings rate, which measures the percentage of Americans’ income left over after expenses and taxes, was less than half of April 2019’s 6.8%. The savings rate never fell below 5% under Trump.

Gas prices: The average cost of a gallon of gasoline dipped from $2.37 to $2.28 from Dec. 2016 to 2020, rising to $3.24 by Monday, according to the Energy Information Administration—but gas prices rose to an all-time high of over $5 per gallon in 2022 shortly after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine caused energy prices globally to spike, as the U.S. and its allies vowed to not buy oil from Russia, the world’s third-largest oil producer.

Federal debt: The federal government’s national debt of $35.3 trillion is more than 25% higher than the day Biden took office, after rising 39% during Trump’s presidency, up from $19.95 trillion in Jan. 2017—with the U.S. running a total deficit of $5.85 trillion from its 2021 to 2023 fiscal years, compared to $2.43 trillion from 2017 to 2019 and a record $3.13 trillion in 2020 alone."

Is this what you call a brilliant presidency? I called that a failed one.
You forgot a few highlights which were in the article:
  • GDP growth was higher under Biden: 3.5% v 2.7%;
  • Job market: growth in overall employment and wages which exceeded Trump’s;
As you noted, the federal debt increased at a faster rate under Trump. That runs counter to the fiscally conservative mantra of the past couple decades.

The best part of the article: “there most certainly hasn’t been the stock market crash under Biden that his opponent forecasted in the 2020 race.” The stock market (as measured by the DJIA and S&P 500) at an all-time high.

Gas prices are a good barometer of the greed of oil companies not the President. The price collapsed when COVID hit in early 2020. We also know geopolitical events have a significant impact on gas prices. US production of crude oil now is commensurate with Trump’s high. How else do you explain the variance?
 

maildude99

Closed Account
You know how I know that any...and I mean any...economic windfalls that occur during any president's term have absolutley nothing to do with said president? It's because one needs only to listen to the wacky, perfusive shit that comes out of Trump's mouth about how he's gonna improve the trade gap and save American jobs. Imposing massive import tariffs? Paying for finishing the border wall with S&H green stamps? Doing our defense department shopping at WalMart? If he was allowed to do these kinds of blanket insanities we'd all be Oliver Twisting our way to the street.
 
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