That's it! I've had it with Microsoft!!

The half of it you don't know (1/2)

Maybe that is Mr. Gates secret evil plan. Make all the software malfunction and force people to try and fix it themselves so they all become experts at using one. I also think that was Ford Motor Company's plan a couple decades ago until everybody else also adopted it. :1orglaugh
Actually, it's not far from the truth.
Microsoft purposely breaks backward compatibility and forces upgrades every few years.
They then have "Solution Providers" which then push that upon businesses.
While most consumers will accept the fact that they have to upgrade all their software every 2-3 years, most businesses do not.

It's the main reason why non-Microsoft solutions have been taking over the network infrastructure the last decade.
E.g., Boeing can't afford to renovate its entire production line -- for a product that will be produced for 10-20 years -- every 2-3 years to deal with such bullshit.
Especially when solutions work with older Microsoft products better than newer Microsoft products.

I've never had any problems with my Windows XP except some viruses, but FreeOnes is to blame, not Microsoft.
No, it's the combinational design of the Windows Explorer shell and DOS/NT executives.
Many of us were warning Microsoft about this in the mid-to-late '90s, and predicted all of the issues that do not affect other OSes to anywhere near the same level.
Microsoft didn't "get serious" until SQL Slammer in January 2003, and even then they tried to blame the sysadmins, instead of admitting it was their own, newer patches that screwed things up (and made systems vunerable).
Microsoft can't change the core of the shell-executive because it would break about 90% of the automation in MS IE-Office-Outlook.
So they won't -- they have introduced a "click through security" aspect, instead of redesigning all of the existing, core libraries and subsystems.

I find the main reason why Mac is more stable is because there are no programs to run on it. None that I'm interested in anyway.
Depends on what you do.
For gamers, it's all about economies of scale and number of users buying software, so no, there's not much.
But consoles are starting to replace PCs in that capacity, at least for 80% of consumers today.

Switch to a Unix-based system if you really can't stand Windows, but I can't say I have any problems with it. Once all the idiotic help functions are turned off, it's a pretty okay OS.
MacOS X is BSD UNIX based, and it works very well in that regard.
What I think you were suggesting was switching to "community developed software."
Luckily there are some great "community developed software" for Windows that removes 98% of the security issues -- and don't blindly pass things on to the shell-executive like Microsoft's own, automated functions/libraries.

I have to say, as someone who has been using Windows machines since 94, I have honestly never had any real problems.
As Scott McNealy always says, "that's because it's all you've used."
There are issues that are unheard of in the non-Windows world, largely because it prevents you from doing things that are stupid -- from a support, security and other standpoints.
Windows does let you do some really stupid -- and I mean stupid -- things as "standard practice."

Which is why Windows is being heavily considered less and less for most corporate networks.
Especially as Microsoft renders software -- just a few years old -- completely incompatible with its newer software.
Why buy again when you'll have to just upgrade again, and lose all your old documents, when you can have perpetual document and software compatibility?

That makes the argument about risk mitigation, and not anything that has to do with liking/disliking Microsoft.

From my experience, it's usually the act of putting 10,000 programs on the system, with 500 background tasks running in the background that fucks things up.
And that's because DOS (including Windows 95/98/ME -- which are MS-DOS 7) was never designed for multitasking.
And even NT (including 2000, XP and, now, Vista) was never designed for multi-user, much less the Internet!

This has been the case in every computer I've ever encountered (e.g., friends, family) with problems. My one friend has a system I built him and he's done everything I've told him not to in order to keep in running smooth. When I get on his computer, I can't help it see such a mess of shit, that the programs folder expands off the screen, the desktop is loaded with icons, and even his favorites takes a month to locate specific URLs. His task bar has at least 15 icons in it too. The amazing part? He only really uses about 5 programs, the rest is stuff he just felt he wanted to try at one time. Ridiculous.
Yes, because Windows lets you do some rather stupid shit -- like just load anything without forcing signature verification and dependency checking.
People bitch about that on non-Windows systems -- but guess what? It makes those OSes 10x easier to support for people like you and I!

He told me last week while camping "My computer is really doggin' out and I think it's getting ready to die". No shit, you have tortured the goddamn thing!
I have 15 actual applications (Adobe Acrobat Reader, Photoshop, Google Earth, Kaspersky AV, Keepass, Nero, O&O Defrag, PGP, WinZip, Window Washer, and a few really tiny tool programs like Unit Convertors). The rest is just Microsoft Flight Sim 2004 and it's respective add ons I've bought for it.
I have run the same Linux system, upgraded repeatedly, since 1998.
I have over 10,000 packages -- virtually 50 add on programs, dozens of commercial games (not to mention hundreds of free ones, a few very good), etc...
The fucker can be managed, unlike Windows, if you know what you are doing.

Windows is great if you don't know what you are doing, and it'll let you fuck itself up pretty fast.
If you're a Windows expert, you quickly find yourself frustrated "fighting" the system to do what you want it to.
It was never designed for the Internet (and Vista still is not), and it's a corporate manageability mess.

So much so that Microsoft itself pays huge money for one vendor to manage their own systems internally (long story).

I clean and defrag my drive weekly and don't leave anything on I don't use or like.
Defragmentation is an issue with the combination of a FAT-based (including NTFS) filesystems with a systems that does not separate static binaries from temporarily files from user files.
Inode-based systems, especially those that segment static from dynamic files on different filesystems, virtually remove the need for fragmentation.
Inode-based systems also reverse the last 5-10% of the disk -- because when the filesystem fills up -- fragmentation increases exponentially.
Microsoft (and even IBM, sadly enough), have never understood filesystems well, and their implementations show it.

As far as running programs, there is no reason the OS' kernel can't deal with issues with user-space programs.
The problem is that Microsoft chooses to give many programs, which would be user-space in other OSes, direct kernel access -- hence why MS IE (and anything that uses it -- which is virtually everything at the core) -- can hang the whole fucking system.

Consumers may not mind that every few hours (in the days of 95/98/Me) or few days (in the case of 2000/XP/Vista), but not corporations.
Standard operating policy in reboot Windows servers every week at most corporations, typically as scheduled downtime.

I'm not saying this is your case, but most of the time that's the problem. Otherwise bad hardware or bad drivers. I build my machines, am picky, and have had great success because of it.
That has to do with drivers and select Windows subsystems.
Drivers are bad enough and account for 8% of all NT crashes, but select Windows subsystems (like the spooler and redirectors) are over 33%.
That means a completely native and integrated Microsoft design and subsystem is at the heart of crashes, and not always hardware or their drivers.

As much as Linux is bashed for lack of drivers, because many companies don't want to expose their source code (which is required because of its license), when Linux drivers exists -- they are typically very stable and -- more importantly yet -- more compatible (especially for USB).
The countless, little, incompatible variations between the same piece of hardware, but from a different vendor, is always a PITA with Windows.
And a great way to figure out what you have, exactly, when you have a storage or network-driver needed to boot Windows (and it won't because of it) is to boot a Linux Live CD which will detect the exact make/model and most likely the Windows driver you need to Google for.
Assuming the driver is actually, publicly available on the Internet.

Yes, MS DOS worked better before MS improved it.
DOS is a piece of shit OS that should have never been used, period.
There were much better options out there at the time when MS bought it from Seattle Computer Products, which was a direct source code rip of CP/M, only ported from the 8080 to 8086/8088.
The absolute greatest, moronic decision was Gates' in 1994 to keep MS-DOS going with version 7 -- aka Windows 95/98/Me.
He made a similar choice in 2001 with .NET/Longhorn (which eternally fucked Vista) to the point where Microsoft had a mass exodus.
Incoming engineers to Microsoft caused Gates to be no where near anything technical in the organization -- he has fucked the company on the technical end so many times.
 
The half of it you don't know (2/2)

Strangely enough the first Windows was called Windows V.1 (1985). The first version of DOS I used was a giant leap forward. For the first time it included hard disk support.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows
And the USPTO denied Microsoft's repeat requests for a trademark because it was previously used for "W", the precursor to, and as well as MIT's "X-Window" (1984).
In fact, on the UseNet, "comp.os.windows" was not for Microsoft Windows, but X-Window (comp.os.mswindows was added later), until the early '90s where people just didn't care and posted there anyway.

I like Microsoft:D
Its a damn good thing, bill Gates was locked in lockers and beaten up
Actually, he was born with a silver spoon and spoiled as fuck.
But virtually all software engineers who have ever worked at Microsoft would love to do so, because he fucks all of them.
Luckily he has no say now, because they've lost enough people and technologies as a result.

I didn't like Windows98, switched to XP and on the rare cases of errors, the system just fixes itself. I love it! For now I'm staying clear of Vista, too many horror stories.
Windows 98 was MS-DOS 7.1, XP was NT 5.1.
NT is actually a semi-1970s era OS (without the true, native "time share" aka "multiuser" aspects), whereas DOS isn't even that.
I also love my Xbox360 and all those shenanigans.
The Xbox360 is an embedded system, and far more controlled, and it's not pure Windows wither (long story).
The lines also blur there as well -- e.g., most games are still developed (let alone virtually all CGI) on Linux since the late '90s.
Windows and Macs may still be used for more photo-level user interfaces, but Linux is the end-to-end solution for everything from high-end graphics to rendering back-ends to all-important control systems and related integration -- on the desk, in the backroom, on the set, in the production/duplication.

My absolute favorite point is that Windows is not used for even producing Windows CDs, much less not even Word for their own documentation! ;)
 
Like many have said, Windows isn't perfect, but the only other options are buying a mac and not being able to do anything with it, or going to a unix based system and having to learn how to use it. Granted, utilities are being made to make that a lot easier all the time, but I'm guessing it's still beyond the average user.
Windows isn't going anywhere soon because for 90% of users it's familiar and safe, which in turn leads business to use it for reduced training and maintenance costs.
Like a lot of others, I've had no probs at all with XP, once it's tweaked a bit and all those frustrating little helpful features have been killed. I was tinkering with my mother in law's machine that runs on a 5 year old install of xp that has never been maintained and was surprised to find that not only was the software in clean and good shape, but the hard drive didn't even want a defrag.
And yes, there are horror stories about vista, but the majority of those are concerning the upgrade from xp package, not the complete new install. I can't understand wanting to try to upgrade over your old kernel anyway, seems to defeat the purpose, especially when the upgrade package costs more than the complete install anyway.

On the lighter side of upgrading, however, here is an interesting article on when you should upgrade your machine: http://www.ninjapirate.com/newcomputer.html
 
Maybe an alternative? I'm a lot more impressed with this and admittedly don't know a lot about it;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uE...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYgV2GlsufI
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you can get ubuntu free at www.ubuntu.com. you just download it, use checksum on it to make sure its downloaded correctly, then burn it onto a disk to create a LiveCD. change your computers settings to boot from CD and you can run linux on your computer without ever changing windows or your current OS. i attempted to use it but my laptops hardware did not support it unfortunately.
 

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what the fuck you lookin at?
na, mine does that every now and then too!
 
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Nope. Not a setting just another Windows fuck up. Told me a few minutes ago I was out of RAM but my sensor tells me it had plenty. Stops cutting and pasting and refuses to open programs. Really it's just business as usual.

you can get ubuntu free at www.ubuntu.com. you just download it, use checksum on it to make sure its downloaded correctly, then burn it onto a disk to create a LiveCD. change your computers settings to boot from CD and you can run linux on your computer without ever changing windows or your current OS. i attempted to use it but my laptops hardware did not support it unfortunately.

Yes, I was ready to download it when Windows screwed up. I'd like to boot it, but don't want anything to change at all. Worth trying. Thanks. :)
 
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This is an article someone sent me on Vista and my email reply to the sender below it;
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3529

You think that was harsh, this is what I think;
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I've been using Windows since it was called MS Executive around 1990, when they pushed it to be prefered over DOS. The idea was always copied from Apple, copied from Xerox. http://imdb.com/title/tt0168122/ Excellent! You'll like it, you're also an Apple user.

My impression of Windows has always been that it's a bunch of corregated tin, scrap plywood, and pieces of foam insulation, tied, nailed and taped together to build a little shelter. All the dress up releases, (always copied from Apple), lack function, only putting lipstick on a pig just to get people to upgrade. I remember DOS applications on a 4.77mhz running faster then things on my 3ghz laptop. Granted, code was tighter before the days of cheap RAM, but Windows was and still is a piece of crap. Like the old Volvo car commercial, the owner of his newest American car, says, "why wouldn't I buy another of these cars?, I've owned 11 of them!". My only excuse for still using it is that I have owned 11 of them, have a lot of hardware around, and after over 25 years, have a pretty solid handle on it's many old, current and yet to be discovered nuances. It's all one hand doesn't know what the other is doing at Microsoft, if they even care. I can't imagine what they do in Redmond, with all that money and space? It's just a packaging company I suppose dropping over priced DVD's into boxes.

What I liked about that article is that it's picking up on the inconsistences I see, (like hot key presses that work in some parts that don't work in others), that are never fixed in each new version while they have set out to conquer the world. A flood damaged car with a new paint job and several pine tree scented deodorizers hanging from the rear view mirror is a suitable metaphor.

I used to program a bit in basic and C and have written some fairly complex programs. You smooth out the bugs in the main core program down below with subroutines then write a small menu up top to handle the subroutines that control the program functions. Nothing in Windows is really new, and it's all add on bits and pieces, they just go out and pick up a bit more old plywood and corrugated tin to add on an extra room. This is just a redneck electrician doing his wiring repairs himself, and every time it rains, the water drips through the ceiling onto the wires.
 
It's all about what you know ...

Like many have said, Windows isn't perfect, but the only other options are buying a mac and not being able to do anything with it, or going to a unix based system and having to learn how to use it.
Granted, utilities are being made to make that a lot easier all the time, but I'm guessing it's still beyond the average user.
Have you ever met someone who has only used Linux and never Windows?
I know several people, of all ages, where that is very much the case.

It's about "what you know" and if you "already know Windows," it causes many misconceptions when you go to a Mac or UNIX-like systems.
I call the process "de-programming" -- especially in how you learn that Windows does many things that are just dead wrong from an Internet/security standpoint.

Yes, you can't go down to the local superstore and just buy any hardware or software, and that is by design.
The second Microsoft got a minority stake in Best Buy, they ripped all the MacOS software off the shelves, even though they made more of a profit than the Windows ones.

Microsoft is about control of the consumer PC, hardware and software distribution channel.
It's not about "better" or "more available hardware/software" at all -- they control the channels of distribution.

Windows isn't going anywhere soon because for 90% of users it's familiar and safe, which in turn leads business to use it for reduced training and maintenance costs.
For consumers, yes. For businesses, no.

Microsoft has proven it cannot provide any software that provides for any document longevity.
It has also proven that security continues to be "second consideration" and refuses to design an OS for the Internet.

Those two, key points are why many businesses are starting to replace Windows in both the datacenter and, increasingly so, the desktop.
Dell wouldn't be offering Linux on the desktop if there weren't the business sales for it, and it's that simple.

As "community developed software" takes over the business desktop, people will be forced to use it at home.
At most of the companies I've worked for in the last 3 years, Linux and StarOffice (based on OpenOffice.org) has taken over the desktop, and users are entitled to install their copy of StarOffice on up to 5 systems -- including their home Windows PC.

Unlike MS Office on Windows v. Mac, there are no binary format issues between OpenOffice.org/StarOffice on Linux v. Windows.
OpenOffice.org/StarOffice also reads -- exactly and without reformatting issues -- all of its formats going back to StarOffice 3.0 in the early-to-mid '90s.

Like a lot of others, I've had no probs at all with XP, once it's tweaked a bit and all those frustrating little helpful features have been killed. I was tinkering with my mother in law's machine that runs on a 5 year old install of xp that has never been maintained and was surprised to find that not only was the software in clean and good shape, but the hard drive didn't even want a defrag.
Considering Microsoft has fully admitted that it is impossible to verify a Windows system is "clean" except through a complete reload, I would like to know how you verify it is "clean"?

And yes, there are horror stories about vista, but the majority of those are concerning the upgrade from xp package, not the complete new install. I can't understand wanting to try to upgrade over your old kernel anyway, seems to defeat the purpose, especially when the upgrade package costs more than the complete install anyway.
NT 6.0 aka "Longhorn" now Vista (client) was a mistake made back in 2001-2002, when they moved away from the system-level .NET API.
Every "UNIX wennie" -- including myself -- was hopeful the .NET API would take hold in the OS.
But Gates fucked up again, and now promises it for "Blackcomb" which will be as much Vaporware just like "Cairo" was.

Microsoft did the same thing back in 1991-1992 with the Win32 API, an the "Cairo" announcement in 1994 when they decided to ship MS-DOS 7 (Windows 95).
Gates personally made the decision to chronically fuck Windows, especially at a the time where Gates said, "the Internet is a fad" and that Windows didn't need to be designed for security on it.

On the lighter side of upgrading, however, here is an interesting article on when you should upgrade your machine: http://www.ninjapirate.com/newcomputer.html
Actually, Google wanted me to work for them and a month into the interview process I told them their operation was too much of a "house of cards" to even consider.
In other words, their people sit and fight fires constantly because their operation is on-a-whim.
Great consumer focus, absolutely horrendous, non-enterprise operation that won't be sustainable long-term (much like Microsoft was 20 years ago).
The run on kids who constantly kill themselves and I didn't want to be part of that.
 
@ xxar

if you at this moment own a PC with i386, 586 architecture I would recommend you to try any of the free Linux distributions. Im mean.. its free :)

And if you dont want to take "the big step" to text-based enviroment I would recommend Ubuntu or Kubuntu where you do not need to manually install window managers. There is also a great livecd over at www.ubuntu.com
 
@ xxar

if you at this moment own a PC with i386, 586 architecture I would recommend you to try any of the free Linux distributions. Im mean.. its free :)

And if you dont want to take "the big step" to text-based enviroment I would recommend Ubuntu or Kubuntu where you do not need to manually install window managers. There is also a great livecd over at www.ubuntu.com


PCLINUXOS is a nice live CD version..has a very clean and simple look about it.
 
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