Suicide
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I had some serious self-esteem issues when I was in high school and though about suicide during my 6 month depression right after I graduated. I eventually got out of that state of mind but I'll never forget how it felt to be so low. And if there's one thing that helped, it was time. I know of a few people that killed themselves over reasons similar to my own, and when I hear about it I always think: "If they could have waited just a little longer..." So many people could save their lives if they could just wait a little longer. Time heals. Time also changes thoughts, feelings and emotions. The way you feel today can change tomorrow. 
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I appreciate everyones honesty and respect in this thread. It's truly uplifting. :thumbsup:
-------> I appreciate everyones honesty and respect in this thread. It's truly uplifting. :thumbsup:
member11579
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if you are so low you consider suicide... well see that as having hit rock bottom - from that point on things can only get better! Optimism is better than pessimism!
no, besides I hate suicide , I lost two of my fave girls from suicide, the late pornstar Savannah and Elisa Bridges.
I remotely considered it a long time ago. I think that many people between 14 and 21 have considered it to some extent. Man, that is a tough time. I swear that a big chink of life's challenge is to just try and get through adolescence in one emotional piece. And live with how it affected you for the rest of your life. No easy feat. Throw in parents that ram down your throat (in some cases) what they think you should be. And parent's getting divorced at such high rates - and I honestly am surprised more people around that age don't try to end it all more often.
I do not think it is a selfish act though. I think if I want to kill myself and I have no dependents. Then that is my business. I am not on this earth to please others. I am here to please myself. If someone goes and kills themselves because I did - well they were pretty weak to start with and that's their problem.
All people owe to anyone (except their children and/or spouses) is to treat them with respect. As long as it is hurting no one else, then anything else is none of anyone else's business. Period.
My big brother killed himself. I love him and miss him very much. But I in no way feel he let me down. He took a way out he felt he needed to do. A weak way out. But that was his choice.
One of the two best friends I have ever had is right now considering suicide. And I cannot stop her. I tried. But I can do no more. And I will miss her if she goes. ALOT!!! But it is her decision and business. Not mine.
I do not think it is a selfish act though. I think if I want to kill myself and I have no dependents. Then that is my business. I am not on this earth to please others. I am here to please myself. If someone goes and kills themselves because I did - well they were pretty weak to start with and that's their problem.
All people owe to anyone (except their children and/or spouses) is to treat them with respect. As long as it is hurting no one else, then anything else is none of anyone else's business. Period.
My big brother killed himself. I love him and miss him very much. But I in no way feel he let me down. He took a way out he felt he needed to do. A weak way out. But that was his choice.
One of the two best friends I have ever had is right now considering suicide. And I cannot stop her. I tried. But I can do no more. And I will miss her if she goes. ALOT!!! But it is her decision and business. Not mine.
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mcrocket said:
Well said mcrocket. I know for one thing, I've been depressed, in fact I've felt that way, to be honest, for like the last 2 years. But, I would never ever resort to killing myself, committing suicide means your just trying to end your life early when you should know that's not the solution to all your depressing problems. Go see a counsellor or a psychologist, I'm sure they wouldn't mind helping out and listening to all your problems. I would go and visit one if I really really felt down and couldn't do anything to solve my depressing problems by myself.
member5726
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Brino said:You know oddly enough posting here at freeones has been therapeutic in my opinion.
LMAO :1orglaugh
its not worth it..
member2686
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mcrocket said:
What about friends? What about family who care about you? Sure, they might not be dependents, but people still love you or at least care enough to not want you to kill yourself. Hell, I bet people even love LordRaven in his weird world. lol You cannot say it is unselfish. It is completely and utterly an act of self-absorption and weakness, IMHO.
mcrocket said:
Again.... You Miss him. You hurt that he killed himself. You know he made a terrible, awful, hurtful, and selfish decision. Don't act as if you're "fine with it." If you are, then you're as warped as he was when he killed himself. You're trying to justify his selfishness to make things feel right. That's NOT right, IMHO, and I think you owe it to yourself to NOT think that way anymore. It's not good for you.
mcrocket said:
:wtf: Throwing your hands up in the air, walking away, and saying "I give up" is NOT being a true friend. Call her parents. Call other friends and let them know what she has told you. Call a hotline yourself and ask how You Might help. DO SOMETHING. You seem to say that you don't care anymore, but you surely must...
Never give up. Never give up.
Nightfly said:
Nightfly, I respect your opinion but not everybody shares your opinion. Mcrocket lost his brother and I'm sure he misses his brother and if that's the way he feels about about his brother killing himself then he has every right to feel that way. I know a few people who have had loved ones that have killed themselves and none of them feel as if it was a selfish act on their loved ones part. They do wish that they had been able to do more for their loved ones when they were alive but they don't think of their loved ones as being selfish.
IMO saying that it's a selfish act doesn't help the person who's thinking of commiting suicide it only makes them feel worse. It makes them feel trapped and if they feel trapped then their more likely to kill themselves. If you want to save somebody then you have to talk to them and figure out whats wrong, you have to be their friend and you can't be judgemental.
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member2686
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Brino, I wasn't speaking to mcrocket as if HE wanted to kill himself. He made no mention of being in that state. Hence my opinionated post to him about the topic. I respect your opinion as well, and I am glad that you have contributed to this discussion. It's an important one.
I think it's CRAP for someone to say "I'm o.k. with suicide. My older brother did it, and since he didn't have any kids or a wife, and since it's what he wanted to do, it's HIS business and I'm fine with it." No offense, mcrocket, but I just honestly cannot "buy" that. Perhaps if your brother had been terminally ill with some grave disease and suffering, and he chose to kill himself to get peace, I could understand it. However, there was nothing in the post that I understood which indicated that that was the case.
Suicide ruins lives and families, haunts them for generations, has a terrible stigma attached to it, and is completely unnecessary. There is a WEALTH of information and help out there, both for people contemplating suicide and also for people surviving the selfish suicides of friends and loved ones.
It's just not necessary, suicide, and it is the epitome of cowardice and spinelessness. To accept it, to tolerate it (in MY opinion) is to join that club, barring certain circumstances such as terminal illness, etc. And YES, I am a Jack Kevorkian supporter for doctor-assisted, humane suicide in cases of severe and terminal illness, especially in cases involving severe pain/suffering.
But to just say, with a blanket statement, that suicide is acceptable and reasonable because the person has no children or spouse.... I totally disagree with that, unless of course the person has NO friends either. If a person is completely isolated in the world and NO ONE cares for them (no friends, no family, no lover or spouse or co-workers), then they are essentially dead but walking anyway...but as long as they have a heartbeat, there is hope and a way up and out of the abyss.
Well, anyway.... I am rambling.... lol :2 cents:
Cheers! :hatsoff:
I think it's CRAP for someone to say "I'm o.k. with suicide. My older brother did it, and since he didn't have any kids or a wife, and since it's what he wanted to do, it's HIS business and I'm fine with it." No offense, mcrocket, but I just honestly cannot "buy" that. Perhaps if your brother had been terminally ill with some grave disease and suffering, and he chose to kill himself to get peace, I could understand it. However, there was nothing in the post that I understood which indicated that that was the case.
Suicide ruins lives and families, haunts them for generations, has a terrible stigma attached to it, and is completely unnecessary. There is a WEALTH of information and help out there, both for people contemplating suicide and also for people surviving the selfish suicides of friends and loved ones.
It's just not necessary, suicide, and it is the epitome of cowardice and spinelessness. To accept it, to tolerate it (in MY opinion) is to join that club, barring certain circumstances such as terminal illness, etc. And YES, I am a Jack Kevorkian supporter for doctor-assisted, humane suicide in cases of severe and terminal illness, especially in cases involving severe pain/suffering.
But to just say, with a blanket statement, that suicide is acceptable and reasonable because the person has no children or spouse.... I totally disagree with that, unless of course the person has NO friends either. If a person is completely isolated in the world and NO ONE cares for them (no friends, no family, no lover or spouse or co-workers), then they are essentially dead but walking anyway...but as long as they have a heartbeat, there is hope and a way up and out of the abyss.
Well, anyway.... I am rambling.... lol :2 cents:
Cheers! :hatsoff:
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I've thought about it, but never went through with it.
Dinalt
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:wave2: This thread's so informative, it should be made a sticky. There's some great information and thoughts, and may one day help a member who's feeling low. In all seriousness, it could help save a life.
This is so true Superfly2. When I was at school and college, I lost 3 friends to suicide.
And time healing is a well used phrase, but no less true for it. When I look back, my views now are totally different to what they were 10-15 years ago.
Again very true. My depression was largely linked to my last years at school & college.
I think these years are some of the toughest of your life, and unfortunately I don't think we're emotionally mature enough to deal with it then.
All the examples you've shown are very true, and I'll throw in a few more:
1) Bullying and peer pressure can unfortunately be all too prevalent at school.
2) Society's expectations of what you should conform to.
I will agree that suicide shouldn't be necessary, but to call it the epitome of cowardice and spinelessness isn't really helpful.
Suicide is nearly always the tragic result of chronic mental depression - a mental illness. It certainly isn't taking a cowards way out.
And labelling those who consider it as cowards, will only further push them into depression.
In many cases, those with depression have probably dealt with a lot more heartbreak and anguish than those who haven't. The truth is that everyone has a breaking point, and different people will cope better than others.
And every suicide generally has a tragic tale leading up to it. Some may be lucky (as I was), and have supportive friends, family and colleagues who will pull you back.
Others won't. One of the people I knew at school who killed himself in later life, suffered terribly from depression. Unfortunately, his parents were going through a messy divorce at the time, and had high expectations of what he should achieve.
So viewing it as a cowardly action isn't justified at all. It is a mental disorder that needs treating, and unfortunately once you reach that depressive stage
it's very hard to get out of.
I'll admit that when I was much younger, I also thought of suicide as an easy way out. Having been there myself now, I view it totally differently.
Remember, it's easy to judge until you've been in that position yourself. I just hope that you never are.
So please - no more talk of cowardice or criticism of others opinions. Those who are depressed need help and understanding, not chastisement. It will only further fuel their negative feelings about themselves.
superfly2 said:
This is so true Superfly2. When I was at school and college, I lost 3 friends to suicide.
And time healing is a well used phrase, but no less true for it. When I look back, my views now are totally different to what they were 10-15 years ago.
mcrocket said:
Again very true. My depression was largely linked to my last years at school & college.
I think these years are some of the toughest of your life, and unfortunately I don't think we're emotionally mature enough to deal with it then.
All the examples you've shown are very true, and I'll throw in a few more:
1) Bullying and peer pressure can unfortunately be all too prevalent at school.
2) Society's expectations of what you should conform to.
Nightfly said:
I will agree that suicide shouldn't be necessary, but to call it the epitome of cowardice and spinelessness isn't really helpful.
Suicide is nearly always the tragic result of chronic mental depression - a mental illness. It certainly isn't taking a cowards way out.
And labelling those who consider it as cowards, will only further push them into depression.
In many cases, those with depression have probably dealt with a lot more heartbreak and anguish than those who haven't. The truth is that everyone has a breaking point, and different people will cope better than others.
And every suicide generally has a tragic tale leading up to it. Some may be lucky (as I was), and have supportive friends, family and colleagues who will pull you back.
Others won't. One of the people I knew at school who killed himself in later life, suffered terribly from depression. Unfortunately, his parents were going through a messy divorce at the time, and had high expectations of what he should achieve.
So viewing it as a cowardly action isn't justified at all. It is a mental disorder that needs treating, and unfortunately once you reach that depressive stage
it's very hard to get out of.
I'll admit that when I was much younger, I also thought of suicide as an easy way out. Having been there myself now, I view it totally differently.
Remember, it's easy to judge until you've been in that position yourself. I just hope that you never are.
So please - no more talk of cowardice or criticism of others opinions. Those who are depressed need help and understanding, not chastisement. It will only further fuel their negative feelings about themselves.
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member2686
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Dinalt, when I speak of suicide as the eptiome of cowardice, I speak from the point of view of the survivors who are left with no parent, no brother, no mother, no sister, no aunt, no grandmother, no best friend, etc.
That's the true tragedy of suicide, in my opinion. We're ALL going to die at some point, so the loss is inevitable, but to PREMATURELY QUIT LIFE IS A COWARDLY THING. Call me harsh all you want. As I've posted above, there are TONS of resources for help. TONS. But if you are hell-bent on killing yourself, go for it. Just know that you're going to leave behind a lot of haunted souls and pained hearts...and images of your dead body that will leave people sleepless for YEARS.
I was an aguished teen, as so many others have said they were as well. That's a very tough time in life. Thank goodness I had some friends to help me through it!!!
Look, all I was saying is that, TO ME, suicide is a cop out, a cowardly and selfish thing to do. Yeah, there are people who are bi-polar and mentally ill who might not know they have problems, but symptoms of those problems typically are quite evident to others, and usually (if ANYONE gives a damn for the person) the person is steered/guided towards help and therapy.
Often all it takes is a willing ear, a patient friend, a buddy willing to listen. Follow-up therapy, and possibly even medication, are also possible solutions.
When I called suicide a cowardly, spineless act, I meant it. There are too many alternatives, too many other options, and it's just not right to deprive a loved one from someone they love -- YOU.
That's the true tragedy of suicide, in my opinion. We're ALL going to die at some point, so the loss is inevitable, but to PREMATURELY QUIT LIFE IS A COWARDLY THING. Call me harsh all you want. As I've posted above, there are TONS of resources for help. TONS. But if you are hell-bent on killing yourself, go for it. Just know that you're going to leave behind a lot of haunted souls and pained hearts...and images of your dead body that will leave people sleepless for YEARS.
I was an aguished teen, as so many others have said they were as well. That's a very tough time in life. Thank goodness I had some friends to help me through it!!!
Look, all I was saying is that, TO ME, suicide is a cop out, a cowardly and selfish thing to do. Yeah, there are people who are bi-polar and mentally ill who might not know they have problems, but symptoms of those problems typically are quite evident to others, and usually (if ANYONE gives a damn for the person) the person is steered/guided towards help and therapy.
Often all it takes is a willing ear, a patient friend, a buddy willing to listen. Follow-up therapy, and possibly even medication, are also possible solutions.
When I called suicide a cowardly, spineless act, I meant it. There are too many alternatives, too many other options, and it's just not right to deprive a loved one from someone they love -- YOU.
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Dinalt
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Nightfly said:
:glugglug: Hi Nightfly
Thanks for posting again. Always a pleasure to talk to someone who can post a proper reply.
I won't post a huge reply, as I've already said most of what I want in previous replies.
Can't agree with suicide being a cowardly act, but nice to get someone elses view anyway. Guess opinions will differ based on personal experiences.
Thanks for explaining your opinion. :thumbsup:
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