Subway Have Removed Ham and Bacon From Their Menus to Appease Muslims!

[STDiva]

Adding halal meat would be good business sense, if that's what their customers want. Removing options though? The Muslims can't be appeased with just having halal options at subway? Others have to have less options? How does that make business sense? Sure it's not all the locations. But if my local subway removed the items I enjoy, I'm not going across the city just so I can have subway. They've likely lost business.

Why do others have to have less so they can have theirs?

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Adding halal meat would be good business sense, if that's what their customers want. Removing options though? The Muslims can't be appeased with just having halal options at subway? Others have to have less options? How does that make business sense? Sure it's not all the locations. But if my local subway removed the items I enjoy, I'm not going across the city just so I can have subway. They've likely lost business.

Why do others have to have less so they can have theirs?

 

[Elwood70]

Why do others have to have less so they can have theirs?

Because it's not in the USA.

 

[sean miguel]

Adding halal meat would be good business sense, if that's what their customers want. Removing options though? The Muslims can't be appeased with just having halal options at subway? Others have to have less options? How does that make business sense? Sure it's not all the locations. But if my local subway removed the items I enjoy, I'm not going across the city just so I can have subway. They've likely lost business.

Why do others have to have less so they can have theirs?

I was wondering the same thing.

 

[bobjustbob]

Adding halal meat would be good business sense, if that's what their customers want. Removing options though? The Muslims can't be appeased with just having halal options at subway? Others have to have less options? How does that make business sense? Sure it's not all the locations. But if my local subway removed the items I enjoy, I'm not going across the city just so I can have subway. They've likely lost business.

Why do others have to have less so they can have theirs?

It's a lot more difficult than simple additions or substitution. They could add an additional bank of trays with halal separated from the traditional fillings but that takes up space. Add to that is the separation of tools to cut the sandwich and washing facilities. It would take 2 separate facilities to accommodate this. Add the fact that the kids slapping these sandwiches around won't care to honor the dietary/company standards to run a shop separating. Think of the veg customer. They don't want to discover bitts of meat in their veggie special. Nor do they want to see their sandwich cut in half with the same knife that just cut a meatball parm.

 

[Deepcover]

I have a feeling they will end up ruling the world

 

[Namenlos]

I think Subway is the only American fast food place I've seen that's always the same no matter where you are in the world.

I've noticed that, too. When I visited McDonald's in Singapore, the only item that was also on the US menu was chicken nuggets.

 

[JaanaRuutu]

Typical Daily Mail trying to scare people into hating Muslims. It's seriously one of the most rubbish papers in the whole of Europe.

Here's all I'm going to add to this.
1. They're a private company and can sell or not sell whatever the fuck they want, if they think it's good for business.
2. I wish, with all of my heart and soul, that my biggest problem in life was the fact that I could no longer get a ham sandwhich at a fe hundred Subway locations in a country in which I don't live.
3. Subway sucks anyway! It's generally cheaper to just make your own fucking sandwhich at home. It tastes better, too. Plus there are probably a million locally-owned places that'll gladly serve pork and that are more deserving of the money of the general public anyway.

It's funny, you never hear people throwing shit fits about Christian companies choosing not to sell booze or other "immoral" things, but the second a company tries to appease a large chunk of its customer base, suddenly the entire world is ending. Same thing with businesses that keep kosher.

So, tl:dr..boo fucking hoo.

 

[rivasky]

LOL you are either a troll or thick. Bring that quote back into the post which was an answer to another post which was an answer to my post and if you understand the context

Blah blah blah

You're either anti-Muslim or not Britush... :throwup:

I got your point alright.

 

[Harley Spencer]

Adding halal meat would be good business sense, if that's what their customers want. Removing options though? The Muslims can't be appeased with just having halal options at subway? Others have to have less options? How does that make business sense? Sure it's not all the locations. But if my local subway removed the items I enjoy, I'm not going across the city just so I can have subway. They've likely lost business.

Why do others have to have less so they can have theirs?

To add to what Bob said, to make it a bit more clear, it's because in their practice, they're not supposed to even eat food that's been touched or associated with pork. So if the cook just made a sandwich that had ham and used a knife to cut it, then makes a sandwich without pork with a muslim and uses the same knife, that's against their religion. Or if the cook so much as touches his sandwich after having touched pork, even wearing gloves, they can't eat that. So say I were making a sandwich for a muslim, had just picked up a pepperoni and set it back down, then went back to their sandwich sans pepperoni, they wouldn't be able to eat it.

So if these Subways were to keep the pork products while still introducing halal items, they would have to build more space in the restaurant with completely separate counters, utensils, and ingredients completely separate from the rest, in order to appease them. They can't, or aren't supposed to if they follow their religion correctly, eat anything that's even remotely associated with non-halal products.

Typical Daily Mail trying to scare people into hating Muslims. It's seriously one of the most rubbish papers in the whole of Europe.

Here's all I'm going to add to this.
1. They're a private company and can sell or not sell whatever the fuck they want, if they think it's good for business.
2. I wish, with all of my heart and soul, that my biggest problem in life was the fact that I could no longer get a ham sandwhich at a fe hundred Subway locations in a country in which I don't live.
3. Subway sucks anyway! It's generally cheaper to just make your own fucking sandwhich at home. It tastes better, too. Plus there are probably a million locally-owned places that'll gladly serve pork and that are more deserving of the money of the general public anyway.

It's funny, you never hear people throwing shit fits about Christian companies choosing not to sell booze or other "immoral" things, but the second a company tries to appease a large chunk of its customer base, suddenly the entire world is ending. Same thing with businesses that keep kosher.

So, tl:dr..boo fucking hoo.

Personally, I do get upset about christians trying to force their beliefs down other people's throats. But that's just me. I get upset with any culture that tries to create laws and cultural guidelines based on a specific religion or other personal beliefs. Unfortunately the same can't be said for the rest of the world.

 

[Jagger69]

Typical Daily Mail trying to scare people into hating Muslims. It's seriously one of the most rubbish papers in the whole of Europe.

Here's all I'm going to add to this.
1. They're a private company and can sell or not sell whatever the fuck they want, if they think it's good for business.
2. I wish, with all of my heart and soul, that my biggest problem in life was the fact that I could no longer get a ham sandwhich at a fe hundred Subway locations in a country in which I don't live.
3. Subway sucks anyway! It's generally cheaper to just make your own fucking sandwhich at home. It tastes better, too. Plus there are probably a million locally-owned places that'll gladly serve pork and that are more deserving of the money of the general public anyway.

It's funny, you never hear people throwing shit fits about Christian companies choosing not to sell booze or other "immoral" things, but the second a company tries to appease a large chunk of its customer base, suddenly the entire world is ending. Same thing with businesses that keep kosher.

So, tl:dr..boo fucking hoo.

:thumbsup: Correct!

It's the Muslim component that is at the heart of the loathing.

 

[Elwood70]

Personally, I do get upset about christians trying to force their beliefs down other people's throats. But that's just me. I get upset with any culture that tries to create laws and cultural guidelines based on a specific religion or other personal beliefs. Unfortunately the same can't be said for the rest of the world.

It's not just you.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

It's funny, you never hear people throwing shit fits about Christian companies choosing not to sell booze or other "immoral" things, but the second a company tries to appease a large chunk of its customer base, suddenly the entire world is ending. Same thing with businesses that keep kosher.

So, tl:dr..boo fucking hoo.

What i find disappointing, instead, is how you feel the need to talk about alleged Christian companies choosing not to sell booze (???) on a thread about a company (whose CEO i'm pretty sure is Christian, by the way) giving in to Muslim community pressures. The subject is Muslims, not Christians: you may disagree with whatever you want on this thread, but it is not a fallacious thread just because there are not mentioned any evil action by Christians. Following your logic, there wouldn't be any discussion about anything. You could always start another thread about how bad Christians are, though; i promise i won't pop in and tell you "Oh, but look how bad is the regime in North Korea. In fact, if you'll post something about a Christian community in Pakistan pressuring halal Muslim butchers to start selling pork i might surprise you coming in in your support.

2. I wish, with all of my heart and soul, that my biggest problem in life was the fact that I could no longer get a ham sandwhich at a fe hundred Subway locations in a country in which I don't live.

Some people like to take a look at what happen past the end of their nose: it might not be their biggest immediate problem, but puts them one step ahead of those who only care for their own grass, shall the problem involve them directly one day.

 

[JaanaRuutu]

What i find disappointing, instead, is how you feel the need to talk about alleged Christian companies choosing not to sell booze (???) on a thread about a company (whose CEO i'm pretty sure is Christian, by the way) giving in to Muslim community pressures. The subject is Muslims, not Christians: you may disagree with whatever you want on this thread, but it is not a fallacious thread just because there are not mentioned any evil action by Christians. Following your logic, there wouldn't be any discussion about anything. You could always start another thread about how bad Christians are, though; i promise i won't pop in and tell you "Oh, but look how bad is the regime in North Korea. In fact, if you'll post something about a Christian community in Pakistan pressuring halal Muslim butchers to start selling pork i might surprise you coming in in your support.



Some people like to take a look at what happen past the end of their nose: it might not be their biggest immediate problem, but puts them one step ahead of those who only care for their own grass, shall the problem involve them directly one day.

This kind of fear-mongering needs to end. you realize you probably have Muslim fans, right?

And yes, my point about Christianity IS relevant. I can name a good chunk of stores, in both Finland and the US, where I can't buy certain things because of Christians not finding it acceptable. Shit, most of Finland's and America's laws about buying alcohol on Sundays COME FROM CHRISTIANS. I don't like having their religion shoved down my throat, but as much as it annoys me, as an Atheist, I'm not going to throw a fucking fit over it. Private companies can do whatever they want, and if I don't agree I can very easily just give my money to a shop who sells what I want.

Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are three windows of the same house. These kind of scare pieces by the Daily Mail and their UKIP fanboys need to end. Anyone who's actually studied religion knows this is just an embarrassment.

 

[larss]

What i find disappointing, instead, is how you feel the need to talk about alleged Christian companies choosing not to sell booze (???) on a thread about a company (whose CEO i'm pretty sure is Christian, by the way) giving in to Muslim community pressures. The subject is Muslims, not Christians: you may disagree with whatever you want on this thread, but it is not a fallacious thread just because there are not mentioned any evil action by Christians. Following your logic, there wouldn't be any discussion about anything. You could always start another thread about how bad Christians are, though; i promise i won't pop in and tell you "Oh, but look how bad is the regime in North Korea. In fact, if you'll post something about a Christian community in Pakistan pressuring halal Muslim butchers to start selling pork i might surprise you coming in in your support.



Some people like to take a look at what happen past the end of their nose: it might not be their biggest immediate problem, but puts them one step ahead of those who only care for their own grass, shall the problem involve them directly one day.

What you have continuously ignored in this thread is that it is the market that have dictated this change and not Muslim pressures. If it was such a bad move by the company for the shops in those areas, then the local communities involved would have had more to say and argue about. Also main source is the Daily Mail - a right wing paper that is famous for its scaremongering sensationalism.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

You realize you probably have Muslim fans, right?

Are you suggesting that i should be or that you are ok with selling mine/your convictions and beliefs for a site membership or a webcam session?

I can name a good chunk of stores, in both Finland and the US, where I can't buy certain things because of Christians not finding it acceptable.

You seem to have spare time to generically post about them on a thread about something different, so why don't you open a thread and name them? Here we are talking about an episode concerning the Muslim community, not the Christian one.

I don't like having their religion shoved down my throat, but as much as it annoys me, as an Atheist, I'm not going to throw a fucking fit over it.

You don't like religions shoved down your throat, but you complain when somebody else doesn't like it either and you rather have religion shoved down your throat because you don't throw a fucking fit over it. I'm not following you, here.

And yes, my point about Christianity IS relevant.

Your point about Christianity is irrelevant on a thread where we talk about something completely different. Nobody has suggested that if Subway imposed anything due to Christian community pressures would have been ok: in fact i would equally disagree. We're simply not talking about that. But hey, if it makes you feel good to talk about how also bad communism is on a thread about how bad fascism is, go ahead.

Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are three windows of the same house. These kind of scare pieces by the Daily Mail and their UKIP fanboys need to end. Anyone who's actually studied religion knows this is just an embarrassment.

Unfortunately those 3 Abrahamic religions don't share the same doctrine at all. You Might be interested in knowing that Socialism Fascism and Nazism are three windows of the same house.

What you have continuously ignored in this thread is that it is the market that have dictated this change and not Muslim pressures. If it was such a bad move by the company for the shops in those areas, then the local communities involved would have had more to say and argue about. Also main source is the Daily Mail - a right wing paper that is famous for its scaremongering sensationalism.

I haven't ignored that some people like you say that it is the market that have dictated this change. I respect that you see it like this; i simply disagree. Market logic would want that as long as there are pork eating people in a community you would keep serving pork too. Let's assume that areas where they cut pork off are made of 90% Muslim community: what's the logic in cutting 10% of potential clients off? Logic would want you to serve both halal products and pork. That's why is reasonable to think that it is a much more political issue than you think. Now, you can agree or disagree with me, but that's a completely different matter; in fact it's exactly the core of a discussion, confronting each other over different views.

About the Daily Mail, the news has been reported by many other media and the news has been confirmed: DM being rubbish or not, Subway has cut pork off their menus in those areas.

 

[larss]

and from the Subway website

Due to the growing popularity of the SUBWAY® chain, with the diverse multicultural population across the UK and Ireland, we put a programme in place in 2007 to ensure that the population demographic is taken into account when new store openings are considered in order that we meet consumer demand in each location.

All our suppliers comply with EU animal welfare legislation as a minimum and we require suppliers of Halal products to adopt the stunning of animals prior to their slaughter. All Halal meats are certified by the appropriate Halal authorities.

All Halal SUBWAY® stores have numerous signs stating that they serve Halal food. These are situated on the menu panels, nutritional information and in the front window of the store.

http://www.subway.co.uk/menu/halal.aspx

 

[larss]

I haven't ignored that some people like you say that it is the market that have dictated this change. I respect that you see it like this; i simply disagree. Market logic would want that as long as there are pork eating people in a community you would keep serving pork too. Let's assume that areas where they cut pork off are made of 90% Muslim community: what's the logic in cutting 10% of potential clients off? Logic would want you to serve both halal products and pork. That's why is reasonable to think that it is a much more political issue than you think. Now, you can agree or disagree with me, but that's a completely different matter; in fact it's exactly the core of a discussion, confronting each other over different views.

As has been pointed out a number of times and can be found on the Subway site above, you CANNOT SERVE HALAL AND PORK TOGETHER!

You are not cutting out 10% of your community, either. You are just not serving pig in any form. The only people that you would be cutting out are other faiths that do not want their meat blessed as Halal. You are assuming that every one of the 10% would demand pork or ham in their sandwhiches.

 

[Will E Worm]

TIslam, Judaism, and Christianity are three windows of the same house. These kind of scare pieces by the Daily Mail and their UKIP fanboys need to end. Anyone who's actually studied religion knows this is just an embarrassment.

Those three are completely different.


Subway has never removed or placed anything on their menu for Christians.

 

[BlkHawk]

Those three are completely different.


Subway has never removed or placed anything on their menu for Christians.

They all worship the god of Abraham. In a nutshell:

Muslims recognize Christ as a prophet, and Mohammad as a prophet.
Christians recognize Christ as the messiah, and believe Mohammad was not a prophet.
Judaism believe Christ was not the messiah, and Mohammed was not a prophet.

They all worship the god of Abraham, the difference is listed above, each group ignores the teachings of the prophets they don't recognize.

What could Subway place on their menu for Christians? The only dietary requirement for a large Christian denomination I am aware of is no meat on Lent. Some Subway locations offer Vegetarian, or Vegan sandwiches. Granted the were not added specially for that reason, but I cannot think of any other dietary requirement for a Christian denomination.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Dude that works at Ralph's is from the India. When I'm at checkout he always reminds me of the great prices on steak suggesting I should buy some. I'm too lazy to go back so I vow to be the Mephisto Of Bovine and take out a few heads of cattle with the bumper of my GMC Truck on the way home. He ruffles his evil black mustache but seems pleased. The only thing sacred to that man is his paycheck.