Subway Have Removed Ham and Bacon From Their Menus to Appease Muslims!

[Ace Bandage]

It's not like they're changing all of the Subways. They're doing it to appease the specific religious beliefs of the folks who visit those stores. That seems like a sound business strategy to me. Subway is in the business of making money. Pleasing the people who give you money makes sense to me.

If the ones that are changing are in predominantly Muslim communities, it's not going to affect most people. It's not like you only can only go to one Subway. If you're a god fearing, pork eating, White dude, you probably don't live in a Muslim community. So I'm guessing your Subway will remain the same. And even if your Subway does change, there's another one nearby. Fuck, I can stand at one Subway and see another one. And I live in NW Indiana. Not sure how close they are in the UK... that's a made up, fairy tale world. So who knows?





Side note: whenever I visit Subway, I insist on a female making my sammich. They're just better at it... you know, being female and all. It's what they're supposed to do.

 

[Ace Bandage]

**these are not the droids you're looking for**

 

[bobjustbob]

No company ever makes a decision that doesn't involve money. Clear business sense says cater to your crowd but I can understand how the language in Subway's statement presents a different message. I'm confident that these halal shops have been tested in certain areas and decided to roll it out on a broader landscape. I don't know where or what the reasoning for the animal thing comes from. It just seems like a silly statement with no thought put into it. Halal and kosher can both go on in a raw meat prep facility with pork as long as the storage, prep areas, utensils and equipment are kept separate. Easy for the butchering processes to sell the raw products but once the stuff gets to the restaurants it's a different story. The prep areas for the consumed products must also be separated. So do the storage containers, plates and utensils to eat with. Too much for any restaurant to ask for. Ergo make separate restaurants. Subway couldn't roll this thing out on a 1 at a time as the market demands basis. They control costs by buying on volume and 185 restaurants was just enough to cut a deal with a halal supplier. If the business model works then they will make money. If the halals don't show a profit then the bacon returns.

Here's a little something I picked up along the way. It comes from Brunei. A law that separates restaurants. General public and limited. General public is halal, anyone can eat there. Limited restaurants can be fined or shut down if they allow Muslims to eat there.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/policy-bars-muslims-dining-non-halal-restaurants-053002275.html

So they are going to send inspectors in and case the place for Muslims?

And by the way, don't go into Subway. If you can't find a sammich from anywhere else or make one at home then leave this planet.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

So we're in agreement the proper spelling is S-A-M-M-I-C-H. Good. One less thing to worry about.

 

[Namenlos]

For example, here in the Netherlads, there is a McKroket and a Satay burger. Both are gross as fuck, but both the kroket and satay are a dutch junk food.

Are they roughly akin to White Castle here in the States?

The whole point of running a business is to make money, and sometimes that means having to adapt to needs and desires of the customers. Failing to do so will put you out of business real quick. If it's voluntary, and sans government intervention, that's all good and well. It's when the government asks you to voluntarily do this, that, and the other (especially since, here in California, voluntary has a way of turning into mandatory), or makes it mandatory, that it becomes a problem.

And just for the record, I rarely eat at Subway anymore, and their bacon is fucking nasty...never cooked enough for my liking, and looks overly processed.

 

[bobjustbob]

So we're in agreement the proper spelling is S-A-M-M-I-C-H. Good. One less thing to worry about.

Sammich is conjunctive pressed into one word. S-A and I-C-H are on the outside. The difference is the in the middle. Umm, nom, yum. If you don't have any of these 3 then you don't have a sammich. A sandwich is anything pressed between 2 pieces of bread like a slice of American cheese and bologna. A sammich has the mm.

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So we're in agreement the proper spelling is S-A-M-M-I-C-H. Good. One less thing to worry about.

Sammich is conjunctive pressed into one word. S-A and I-C-H are on the outside. The difference is the in the middle. Umm, nom, yum. If you don't have any of these 3 then you don't have a sammich. A sandwich is anything pressed between 2 pieces of bread like a slice of American cheese and bologna. A sammich has the mm.

 

[FreeOnes_Adam]

Hey guys...

What do you call a pig thief?




A hamburglar.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Hey guys...

What do you call a pig thief?




A hamburglar.

 

[bobjustbob]

And what do we call Anders? A bone smuggler.

 

[Petra]

I'm fine with that. But can you still buy pork too at your grocery store? My understanding is yes. Subway has cut pork off completely from those shops, they didn't just introduce Halal products. I cannot believe that this is business: business would let you have both things in order to satisfy both kind of customers. But if you cut the pork off it is because you were told: either we or the pork and bare in mind that we are many. I don't know...that's the way i look at it. I'm a simple girl after all.

I'm 100% certain that if the sale of pork products went down, the store would stop carrying it because it doesn't make sense to pump money into a product that isn't selling in that area (and has a very short shelf life). This is why I can't get root beer or tartar sauce anymore in my neighborhood's store, but I can find it in the center. People stopped buying it here so the store made the business decision to stop carrying it. However, because of the huge muslim community, I can get turkey products at my store while in the little town I first lived in that's nothing but white dutch people didn't supply any turkey what so ever.

Supply and demand.

Are they roughly akin to White Castle here in the States?

The whole point of running a business is to make money, and sometimes that means having to adapt to needs and desires of the customers. Failing to do so will put you out of business real quick. If it's voluntary, and sans government intervention, that's all good and well. It's when the government asks you to voluntarily do this, that, and the other (especially since, here in California, voluntary has a way of turning into mandatory), or makes it mandatory, that it becomes a problem.

And just for the record, I rarely eat at Subway anymore, and their bacon is fucking nasty...never cooked enough for my liking, and looks overly processed.

No, those are 2 sandwiches from the dutch McDonalds that are always on the menu. Actually, now that I think about it, I think Subway is the only American fast food place I've seen that's always the same no matter where you are in the world.

 

[CrimsonBolt]

I would love to see an Islamic country change there food ingredients to suit someone else's beliefs

that will never happen! thoses people are the most intolerent people, and i know for what i talking about
i live in France and we got many arab people in our country, not because they likes us, no no no no
is about our system if you got some kids the gouvernement gonna give you some money, so they came in my country they make 5 or 6 kids
then they got money from the gouvernement every mounth no need to go working anymore!
the worst thing thoses people make the shit, i heard on TV just before the chirstmas vacay a school bring up the santa clauss and then the muslim parents crying about that saying that santa clauss have nothing to do at school they also must remove the cross on the wall...
but the arab girls who walk with the foulard on the head that's normal... i remember a cop aresseted an muslim lady who drive with, you know when you only see their eyes that's can cost an car crash the muslim people crying again after sayin than that cop is a racist. they always use racism when we say something.
some years ago 2 arab steal something they goes to the scooter the cops try to stop them than bang crash and of course that was the cop fault! after that they say than cops are racist and they burn people's car (people who have nothing to do about that!) (and of course the cops got fired...)
fuck me, i'm sick and tired about them we give more and more rights and they always spit on our face.

 

[mokbel69]

Meh. If I loved bacon and ham I might be upset but I tend to steer clear of both when I go to Subway...I'm more of a chicken, turkey or steak kinda guy.

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Meh. If I loved bacon and ham I might be upset but I tend to steer clear of both when I go to Subway...I'm more of a chicken, turkey or steak kinda guy.

 

[BigSwede]

What do you do about it besides whining on the Internet?
And what´s it got to do with anyone who doesn´t live in the UK?

 

[FreeOnes_Adam]

And what do we call Anders? A bone smuggler.

One of his many, many nicknames.

 

[larss]

In the UK, we are a reasonably tolerant society (although with UKIP getting the votes that they have recently I am starting to question this). Throughout history, we have accepted immigrants into our society, be it Roman, Viking, French, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, West Indian or African. This has made for quite a melting pot. Being intolerant will not help. Anyone who thinks that Islam will take over in the UK and Sharia law will be forced upon us needs their head reading. We may be a tolerant society but we are not one that will just lie down and let the minority rule. Having a few Subway stores cater to Muslims is hardly a problem.

There is a bigger stink over some supermarkets selling Halal meat that is not labeled as such. Personally I don't care (in fact the Halal meat tends to be better) but I do have some Christian friends who are up in arms about it because the meat has been blessed by a Muslim. I think this is ridiculous as the God that Muslims, Jews and Christians worship is the same God. It is the followers of this God that have taken different paths. However they should be given the information so that they can make an informed choice.

That is what this whole debate is about - Choice.
This is what we get in the UK. Choice.
Choice of who we put in power.
Choice of what we eat.
Choice of what religion we want to follow if indeed we want to follow a religion.

Most Muslim countries do not get this sort of choice (there are exceptions) and that is not our problem. All this "if we did that in their country" nonsense is just that. Nonsense. We should expect to follow their laws in their country just as everyone, regardless of where they are from or what religion they are, are expected to follow our laws. This comes down to another choice we have - whether or not to visit a country that does not allow us the freedoms that we are granted in our own country.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

In the UK, we are a reasonably tolerant society (although with UKIP getting the votes that they have recently I am starting to question this). Throughout history, we have accepted immigrants into our society, be it Roman, Viking, French, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, West Indian or African. This has made for quite a melting pot. Being intolerant will not help. Anyone who thinks that Islam will take over in the UK and Sharia law will be forced upon us needs their head reading. We may be a tolerant society but we are not one that will just lie down and let the minority rule. Having a few Subway stores cater to Muslims is hardly a problem.

There is a bigger stink over some supermarkets selling Halal meat that is not labeled as such. Personally I don't care (in fact the Halal meat tends to be better) but I do have some Christian friends who are up in arms about it because the meat has been blessed by a Muslim. I think this is ridiculous as the God that Muslims, Jews and Christians worship is the same God. It is the followers of this God that have taken different paths. However they should be given the information so that they can make an informed choice.

That is what this whole debate is about - Choice.
This is what we get in the UK. Choice.
Choice of who we put in power.
Choice of what we eat.
Choice of what religion we want to follow if indeed we want to follow a religion.

Most Muslim countries do not get this sort of choice (there are exceptions) and that is not our problem. All this "if we did that in their country" nonsense is just that. Nonsense. We should expect to follow their laws in their country just as everyone, regardless of where they are from or what religion they are, are expected to follow our laws. This comes down to another choice we have - whether or not to visit a country that does not allow us the freedoms that we are granted in our own country.

Going a bit out of topic here. This is all great, but it is not reciprocal. Intolerance is not an option of few rotten apples in the Muslim religion, it is rule number one. It's a fact and i don't care how people try to deny that. Tolerance about anything and anybody different from Muslim is not tolerated in that religion. There are no different views, there is only one book and one belief and it is an intolerant one. Tolerance, for me, ends where others' intolerance mines my freedom. I respect any religion, Muslim included, but i do not tolerate any imposed intrusions of its rules in my life.

A supporter of tolerance like philosopher Rawls once wrote: "While an intolerant sect does not itself have title to complain of intolerance, its freedom should be restricted only when the tolerant sincerely and with reason believe that their own security and that of the institutions of liberty are in danger."

 

[wigster]

Hey Muslims if you don't like ham and bacon you know what you should do.......Don't eat ham or bacon!!

 

[Jagger69]

It really is just a business decision made by a corporation in order to address customer demand = higher sales and profits.

According to one of the linked articles in the OP:
Halal-only menu is in response to 'strong demand' from Muslim customers

And according to the same article, we're talking about 185 of 1500 outlets in the UK - roughly 10%.

To me, it would be over-stepping its bounds if a government told a corporation that it could not do this. I believe the free market should decide in this case... and in most cases. If people don't like Subway's decision, they're free not to eat there. At least in the U.S. (probably elsewhere too), it's against the law to represent something as Kosher if it is in fact not. And more than a few chains in the U.S. do have Kosher items on their menus. Whether Halal or Kosher, I don't see a difference. :dunno:

:thumbsup: As usual, Rey hits it out of the park! This is much ado about nothing. I can choose to do whatever I want with the menu at MY restaurant. Quite frankly, since these some 200 stores are in predominantly Muslim areas and that's what their customer base is demanding, they'd be derelict in their duty to their stockholders to ignore what they are asking for. The idea in a supply-and-demand situation is to meet demand.....which in this case is Halal meat and no pork.

Here in Texas, if you look hard enough you can find authentic Mexican restaurants....I mean places that serve auténtico Mexican dishes. We're talking things like lengua (beef tongue), cabrito (goat), tripas (beef intestines), sesos (beef brains) and buche (pork stomach). Now, I would venture to guess that the average anglo would not be predisposed to eating food of this type but since most of these restaurants are in predominantly Mexican neighborhoods, they serve what the local population demands. The British Subway situation is not any different. The fact that Muslims are involved is what stimulates a contrived controversy.

 

[Lonilover]

I would love to see an Islamic country change there food ingredients to suit someone else's beliefs, I somehow cannot see that happening though

Indeed !!

 

[Mr_Stiffy]

Hey Muslims if you don't like ham and bacon you know what you should do.......Don't eat ham or bacon!!

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33

Really???

It's fuck-all to do with "like" and you know it. At least I hope you do. Does the same logic apply to vegetarians?