what? what did I do??? :crying:
Star Wars VS. Star Trek
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what? what did I do??? :crying:
you did reverse the villans with the cool voices, but i was willing to let it go...seems a bit steep to ban you for saying Khan was in Star Wars....
I like both, although I used to hate Star Wars with a passion. Playing SW: Knights of the Old Republic (KOTOR) changed my view of the SW universe; the game revealed a depth that the movies only hinted at. Star Wars also might appeal to me more nowadays because its view of humanity's future is at heart pessimistic, dystopian, and dark. Star Trek TNG's idealistic optimism just doesn't seem as prescient any more.
And this dark, dim view of the future of humanity is a good thing?
That was one of the things great about Star Trek while Roddenberry was alive- the original series was a bunch of cool, individual stories that were not some horrible, interconnected soap opera. It was light hearted, for the most part, and what was wrong with that?
Next Generation- probably popular because of the very things you don't seem to hold in high regard. Every other series has been less popular as time has gone on, and that's (in my opinion) because Rick Berman decided to shut off lights on the set, make everything dark and dreary, and turn the shows into brooding whine fests that weren't fun to watch.
Star Wars, if you examine the six films as a whole, hardly has a pessimistic tone. The prequels had to, because in episodes 1-3, the bad guys win, and the good guys are left running for the hills. You may notice, though, that by the end of the whole thing, the new republic has a bright future, and the bad guys are running from the hills. Remember, *most* people know only of the Star Wars universe from the films, so all the little obscure fringe stuff doesn't matter a bit to them.
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Nope, because I didn't find it interesting at first. By the time I actually started watching it and liked it, the series was ending and I was losing interest in TV anyways. (I don't even watch TV at all now.)You didn't follow DS9, did you?
It's not "good" or "bad" compared to TNG's view; it's only a different perspective, more fantasy than science fiction.
You're reading entirely too much into what I stated. I grew up watching ST TNG and I loved it. That doesn't mean I must hate Star Wars. They're not mutually exclusive.
As I said, I used to hate SW with a passion. The movies didn't impress me much. However, the SW universe (or setting, if you prefer) is much more interesting. The reason why I said that its view of humanity's future is pessimistic is that it shows elements of decadent human culture that are mostly absent in TNG. In addition, the worst villains in SW are often human (or post-human), whereas in TNG our species was pretty much always casted as the heroic bunch beating down the nasty, scheming, fearsome aliens that wanted to impede, harm, or destroy us for purely evil reasons. TNG shows a mostly cohesive and unified humanity without any decadent underworlds or rebellious elements. SW, on the other hand, shows cultural dissension (e.g. us warring with each other), domination of alien species, the ensuing hatred of humans, and a host of other negative portrayals of humans.
That's why I think the SW universe is a more accurate representation of our own future, obvious fantasy elements such as the Force aside; it doesn't sugar-coat us as a species. I used to believe in TNG's whitewashed optimism, but that was in happier times, living in a (seemingly) simpler world. My perspective could change again, for all I know. That's the beauty of speculation about the distant future that we'll never see.
I actually found it as dull as dishwater in my early teens, only to discover its magic in my twenties. Thank God for DVD.
Old Star Wars good. New Star Wars sucks.
But in saying that brings me to the question: Princess Leia or Seven of Nine?.
Not a hard choice that one. I mean would you choose a woman who has no real figure and no boobs and the face of a hag, over the likes of a woman with a fully womanly figure and perfect boobs and a lovely face?.
Seven of Nine all the way.
And that means StarTrek all the way. Even though the Star Trek's I don't like are: Generation and Enterprise. I still love DS9, Voyager and the Original.
But in saying that brings me to the question: Princess Leia or Seven of Nine?.
Not a hard choice that one. I mean would you choose a woman who has no real figure and no boobs and the face of a hag, over the likes of a woman with a fully womanly figure and perfect boobs and a lovely face?.
Seven of Nine all the way.
And that means StarTrek all the way. Even though the Star Trek's I don't like are: Generation and Enterprise. I still love DS9, Voyager and the Original.
For me Star Trek The Next Generation and Star Trek Enterprise bore the fuck out of me. But Star Trek Deep Space 9, and Star Trek Voyager and also the original Star Trek are better. It didn't take me long to get into them.
dude, that's a serious problem. do you have to come back to freeones to get the fuck back into you?
I totally disagree with you. In fact most of the hardcore Star Wars fans I know are starting to turn away from the Star Wars universe the last 10 years mostly because of the fact they are trying to shove moral relativism, real life politics, or shades of gray into it and destroy the whole concept of what Star Wars is. (Plus they have made a ton of other stupid decisions in that time where most of them could have been easily avoided if they just listened to the fans.) Besides the comics and a few video games everything produced since the New Jedi Order era has come out has sucked. One of the biggest points about Star Wars is the fact that in the end the good guys win, and all the bad stuff are just obstacles that are put in place for the good guys to overcome.
In a lot of the same respects I think those are the things that make star Trek as popular as it is. The hope it has for humanity's future and what it can accomplish is one of those. If I wanted to constantly watch bad guys winning, people who do the wrong thing succeeding in the end, and all the crappy elements about humanity come out I can just turn on the news. I am a fan of both Star Wars and Star Trek to escape crap like that. I especially don't want those elements ruining the very fabric of what those universes are. For all practical purposes they might as well not exist at that point.
I could also mention there are a good amount of shady humans have been in Star Trek for a long time now. I lost count of the number of dirty and corrupt politicians or Star Fleet officials the crew has had to deal with all these years or some whole part of the Federation like Section 31.
Star Wars all the way... I never got into the who Star Trek Thing.. I guess its like they say you are either into one or the other
well that might just be a bit overcompensation since toy boy Lucas apparently wants to turn it into the fucking tiny toons.
the only cute aliens that i want to see are the ones getting diced up with a lightsaber.
That's not surprising; even KOTOR's sequel was awful. Of course, the statement that "everything produced since [some older epoch or version] has sucked" applies to many more creative endeavors than Star Wars alone. Thus I try to focus on the best and ignore the rest... and that gets me into trouble with serious fans.
Indeed, and I didn't miss that point. I still think that Star Wars' overall portrayal of humanity's future is negative, though. Those horribly malicious and flawed human villains managed to fool or persuade a great number of sentient beings (human and otherwise) in order to gather power and then commit atrocities. That reminds me of the past century's history, and in Star Wars' version of the distant future, we still haven't solved that particular problem.
Good point about the corrupt officials. Section 31 wasn't a part of the TNG TV series, though.
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