Kind of coincidental it's also been exactly one year since the worst mass shooting in Canadian history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nova_Scotia_attacks
(22 people dead by 1 shooter)
Should there just be a "Mass shooting in the US" sticky thread?
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Kind of coincidental it's also been exactly one year since the worst mass shooting in Canadian history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nova_Scotia_attacks
(22 people dead by 1 shooter)
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Kenosha, WI Shooting: Bar Shooting https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/lo...cle_22da279f-f6b2-5329-bb77-a38b2b5b4faf.html
Omaha, NE Shooting: Mall Shooting by 16 year old https://www.ketv.com/article/murder...t-in-deadly-westroads-mall-shooting/36155605#
Austin, TX Shooting: Domestic Situation from ex-police officer https://news.yahoo.com/3-adults-dead-texas-shooting-181900434.html
Columbus, OH Shooting: Drive-by at a vigil https://www.10tv.com/article/news/l...unty/530-a921d3f8-b1d7-403a-8492-97bc2f95bde7
Omaha, NE Shooting: Mall Shooting by 16 year old https://www.ketv.com/article/murder...t-in-deadly-westroads-mall-shooting/36155605#
Austin, TX Shooting: Domestic Situation from ex-police officer https://news.yahoo.com/3-adults-dead-texas-shooting-181900434.html
Columbus, OH Shooting: Drive-by at a vigil https://www.10tv.com/article/news/l...unty/530-a921d3f8-b1d7-403a-8492-97bc2f95bde7
gmase
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I hear that argument and can concur with it. There are multiple scenarios to consider which eliminates a one-size-fit-all response. Gang-on-gang violence is different than random mass acts of violence. There is one common denominator though.
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It's tough. We're also relying on politicians to stick their political necks out to solve the problem. Politicians only care about retaining power or getting more power. Do you really think the guy you vote for cares about you? You know better.
As soon as the race card is thrown it's game over. Unless you want to declare war on gangs then you escalate a bad enough situation. So far containment has been the lesser of all evils.
gmase
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Nah, I found an easier solution for me - reverting back to my old way of thinking about it.
- Owning a gun is more harmful to the owner: More than 50% of gun deaths are by suicide. Much like using meth. It's not my cup of tea, but go for it if you want.
- Motor vehicles are just as deadly: In 2020, roughly 42k people died from motor vehicle crashes and by gun. No one is talking about banning cars. But we do have training and licensing requirements on driving licenses which do not appear to work.
- Cardiovascular disease kills over 600k people annually. That is 15 times morethan guns.That is the real problem.
Bottom line - It's the price of living of America.
gmase
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In 2018 Canada had 2 guns deaths per 100k versus 12 per 100k in the US - nearly three-quarters of them suicides.
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And this is a victim of gang violence. She's the innocent one to me. The ones that took her sweet life deserve to pay the ultimate price.
A 7-year-old girl was fatally shot in the drive-thru lane of a McDonald's in Chicago
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/us/chicago-shooting-7-year-old/index.html
A 7-year-old girl was fatally shot in the drive-thru lane of a McDonald's in Chicago
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/us/chicago-shooting-7-year-old/index.html
gmase
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💯 % A needle in the arm would be too kind, but it should be administered. Collateral damage is a small price to pay for the freedom to own guns and blow things up though, correct? No ban would have stopped her murder. Ban guns in Chicago and they get imported from Gary, IN.
Immediately after the Boulder event, the NRA posted the 2nd Amendment text. Two weeks prior, shortly after the NRA shellacked Boulder's "assault weapon" ban in court, its Institute for Legal Action said: the decision [to strike down the ban] had given "law-abiding gun owners something to celebrate" and indicated the ruling could set an important precedent. (https://www.newsweek.com/nra-said-boulder-shootings-1577989)
As you note, what can you do? Long ago I accepted it as a fact of life since no one seems to want to do anything about it. Odds are something more banal will get me at the end. To be honest, I keep waiting for law-abiding gun owners to get fed up with murderers giving them a bad name. Godot hasn't showed up yet.
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It sucks to admit that but yeah. Too many factors with guns, murderers, politicians, and The Constitution.
I'm friends with the guy from Iran who lives next door. We talk a lot over our fences. He tells me one day, "Hey buddy, this city... it is turning to shit." I reminded him that he lives next door to me, I live next door to him, we both have nice families, and live in a nice neighborhood. When I shrunk his world in front of him he felt better.
gmase
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The Constitution has been amended 27 times (including the two dealing with prohibition), so it can be done. No one has a fetish for the 3rd Amendment.
My statement about 'no one seems to want to do anything about it' was unnecessarily broad. It should be read 'not enough people seem to want to do anything about it'.
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Good point about The Constitution.
If not enough people seem to want to do anything about it could you tell me about the few that do? They're still lawmakers and politicians who can be threatened or paid off. I don't agree with someone like AOC much but i do have respect for her as a fighter who says what she believes in. Is someone like her too green and inexperienced to have the ability to get things done? If someone like her sticks around long enough good chance they get corrupted and join the establishment. Nancy Pelosi already wants to give AOC The Sicilian Necktie because she's bad for business. AOC is just an example.
gmase
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Who does want to do something? I could rattle off the lawmakers, politicians, and activists, but you nail it when you state 'who can be threatened or paid off.' Those are essentially the tactics of the NRA when they even smell a Republican thinking gun control may be reasonable. The political will does not need to come from the pro side of gun control (Dems), but the con side of the argument (Reps). Nothing happens until next time and we repeat.
Meanwhile ...
TX wants to eliminate permits:
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...approves-bill-allowing-no-permit-gun-carrying
NE is now a Second Amendment Sanctuary State
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...s-nebraska-a-second-amendment-sanctuary-state
The Gov: "Nebraska will stand up against federal overreach and attempts to regulate gun ownership and use in the Good Life."
Makhi and Brandon were just enjoying the good life like the governor wants. Doesn't the Second apply to them as well?
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If it's easy enough and good for their career they might do something. Most of the time they make empty promises and blow smoke up your ass. People vote for candidates then start making excuses for the candidates they hired when they don't do the job they were hired for. If you put your servant up on a pedestal you will confuse him to the point he thinks you live to serve him.
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Numbers as of April 14. How do you tame this level of savagery?
In Chicago, 864 people have been shot this year. That is 218 more than 2020
https://www.chicagotribune.com/data/ct-shooting-victims-map-charts-htmlstory.html
In Chicago, 864 people have been shot this year. That is 218 more than 2020
https://www.chicagotribune.com/data/ct-shooting-victims-map-charts-htmlstory.html
gmase
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That sounds familiar. I recall someone who would complain " ...but nobody likes me." He was certainly confused by the concept.
Correct. Let's go back to Lincoln in 1964: "Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God ... The prayers of both could not be answered." Promises are only the opening offer in working toward a realistic solution. Politicians, and their partisan supporters, have lost sight of that concept.
The point I was attempting to make is that one group (gun-control advocates in this case) can make promises, but their ability to move in a direction is constrained by a coalition supported, funded, and threatened by the NRA and like-minded groups. Progress will not come from proposals by gun-control advocates, but from the side trying to restrain control. But, that side shows no inclination to move. Therefore, we are stuck with what we got.
Mitch McConnell said he opposes the House-approved policies: "What I'm not attracted to is something that doesn't work." I am not quite certain I have heard anything McConnell would support. Marco Rubio seems to be in favor of red-flag laws at the state level. What happens when counties choose not to enforce state laws? (Although the list is long, with only a couple exceptions, most of the counties are rural.)
https://www.9news.com/article/news/...esses/73-a23bcba7-63c7-4a50-a26a-9e1e8a2b91ef
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There is talk in Ohio about Second Amendment sanctuary, which I'm fine with. I have made my feelings about gun laws VERY clear over the years...no need to say it all again.
What I will say is this, I think a good place to start, would be with the criminals. Maybe that guy you busted with an 8 ball of blow shouldn't be taking up a cell, but that guy with the long list of felonies, and isn't aloud a gun in the first place, let alone after a violent crime, should be in lock up for MANY years, and not plea bargained away, by a system that is obviously failing. Maybe we should rethink about letting a murderer that has been found guilty by his peers, and DNA, or video surveillance, sit on death row for a decade or more. Maybe that 1st automatic appeal should be it. Maybe when gang members are caught with guns, they should NEVER leave jail, unless they are here illegally here, then maybe they should be tattooed, or better yet, Lo Jacked, then deported, and if they re-enter, dealt with, with extreme prejudice.
I find it very disturbing at the thought of law abiding citizens, paying a toll, because of the actions of others. I also find it unacceptable when officials drop the ball like they have with the last couple of shootings, that might have been avoided. As a staunch proponent of gun ownership, these acts of violence sicken me too. Much like everyone else that complains about being judged by the actions of others, in there "group".
What I will say is this, I think a good place to start, would be with the criminals. Maybe that guy you busted with an 8 ball of blow shouldn't be taking up a cell, but that guy with the long list of felonies, and isn't aloud a gun in the first place, let alone after a violent crime, should be in lock up for MANY years, and not plea bargained away, by a system that is obviously failing. Maybe we should rethink about letting a murderer that has been found guilty by his peers, and DNA, or video surveillance, sit on death row for a decade or more. Maybe that 1st automatic appeal should be it. Maybe when gang members are caught with guns, they should NEVER leave jail, unless they are here illegally here, then maybe they should be tattooed, or better yet, Lo Jacked, then deported, and if they re-enter, dealt with, with extreme prejudice.
I find it very disturbing at the thought of law abiding citizens, paying a toll, because of the actions of others. I also find it unacceptable when officials drop the ball like they have with the last couple of shootings, that might have been avoided. As a staunch proponent of gun ownership, these acts of violence sicken me too. Much like everyone else that complains about being judged by the actions of others, in there "group".
Forget taming it, let's just even try to understand it.
As in, how do you even have that many more shootings during a pandemic?
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