Should there just be a "Mass shooting in the US" sticky thread?

[Steve-FreeOnes]

So how does gun control help stop crime?

Well, for starters, there's going to be a lot less kids being murdered at school. Which is a crime even in America, I believe.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Well, for starters, there's going to be a lot less kids being murdered at school. Which is a crime even in America, I believe.

Ok, what about everybody else? It's atrocious, but it's nothing in comparison to the everyday murders that get committed, and it won't stop it, not by a long shot, and you're foolish if you believe it will. Plus, there are enough out there, that somebody hell bent on evil, will get it. You won't get what's already out there back. If you even think that lawful gun owners will just accept they have to turn in a gun, you are out of your fucking mind. Over half the gun deaths in the US are suicide, so those are off the table. even if a gun makes it easier, they'll do it with a knife, or jump off a bridge, less then 1%, ONE FUCKING PRECENT, are assault rifles. The rest are scumbag pieces of garbage that kill in gang wars, or drug deals, or armed robberies. You want to get rid of gun violence, start putting them in prison, or start executing them.

We all hate to see kids die, but the common little thread that runs through all of that, is they always say, a ball was dropped, and it could have been prevented. People fuck up all the time and miss red flags, and let this happen, but instead of fixing that, oh lets just piss on Constitutional rights first. My government does not give one little fuck about ANYBODY. They want us disarmed, and they will do and say anything to make that happen. Now let me ask you. What in the fuck do you care about what happens in America? You have your little utopia, so does johan.

Instead of banning guns, secure the school, one way in, and only one way. Doors can be set to open out, but not allow entry, Set it so an alarm sounds if it's opened...you would do that for fire exits. No, get rid of the inanimate object that only serves an evil purpose, when picked up by someone evil, don't get rid of the evil. Everyone elses rights are more important then the next guys. See the problem with all of you gun grabbers is, you don't like guns, so no one should have them, because you all know better then everyone else, but gun owners, just want our RIGHTS, we don't care if you don't want a gun, just leave us alone, and do something to stop the bad guys.

And I'll go on the record right fucking now and say, I firmly believe 90% of these shootings are Manchurian candidates, I also firmly believe the goverment has something to do with it.

You know, it's funny, you never really realize you need an amendment, until the government tries to take it away. I should also mention, this is the basic response you're gonna get, when you reply to a post of mine, with a stupid, sarcastic response.

 

[Theopolis Q. Hossenffer]

The only thing less guns will do is make it harder to kill other people. Knives, swords, hammers etc. will still be available. You just won't be able to kill as a Coward does. Better armed and from a distance. Killers would have to get up close and personal again, like in them good old days when the killing was harder. And I agree that less guns might not be a bad thing. Fear makes people buy guns. I don't have any. And not that I do not know how to shoot or haven't in the past. I am just not afraid to go out with out an arsenal. I don't feel the need to be ready to kill my neighbors when the bad times come. And I sure don't need 50 guns and 10,000 rounds of ammunition. No matter how many guns you have or how much ammunition you have eventually you gotta sleep. You can't hold off the world.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

No one said that, what I'm saying is, fix the criminal problem, and try fixing things BEFORE going for the extreme measure. For fucks sake, if your tire keeps leaking out slowly, you check for a nail, or a bad valve stem, before you buy a new $300 tire. No one has made effort one to fix anything, it's right to the gun grabbing. It's fucking wrong, period. The Constitution was written for a reason, it was written in order of importance, and it doesn't need to be altered or fixed. Quit slapping wrists, and forgiving people for violent crime, and throw the book at them. The gun grabbers are no better then the pro life whack jobs, and God hates Fags organization.

 

[Steve-FreeOnes]

What in the fuck do you care about what happens in America?

I answered this before. I'm sorry that your humanity ends at your borders.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I answered this before. I'm sorry that your humanity ends at your borders.

My humanity ends, when I want it to. Several days ago, over 50 people were brutally gunned down in a church in Nigeria. Nigeria has gun laws, woman and children were killed. Where were you, and johan? I didn't hear any distain for that country. I didn't hear any concerns for the children, and if you read what I posted, you would see I said the politicians don't care about any life, including children. I didn't say you didn't care. But once again, tunnel vision focuses on an inanimate object, and not ridding the world of the people that do it, but the thing they used to do it with. Are you going to call for stricter automotive regulations, when someone runs down a crowded school yard?

 

[Theopolis Q. Hossenffer]

Posted without comment:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/1-killed-2-injured-alabama-014052156.html

 

[Johan]

Uvalde officials are using a legal loophole to block the release of shooting records​

Uvalde city officials are using a legal loophole and several other broad exemptions in Texas to prevent the release of police records related to last month's mass shooting that left 19 children and two teachers dead, according to a letter obtained by NPR in response to public information requests filed by member station Texas Public Radio.

Since the May 24 shooting at Robb Elementary School, law enforcement officials have provided little and conflicting information, amid mounting public pressure for transparency. The Texas Department of Public Safety, which is leading the state investigation, previously said that some accounts of the events were preliminary and may change as more witnesses are interviewed.

The City of Uvalde has hired a private law firm to make its case, which cited the "dead suspect loophole," to deny the release of information because the gunman died in police custody. The legal exception bars the public disclosure of information pertaining to crimes in which no one has been convicted. The Texas Attorney General's Office has ruled that the exception applies when a suspect is dead.

The maneuver has been used repeatedly by Texas law enforcement agencies to claim they're not required to turn over the requested information because a criminal case is still pending, even though the suspect is dead.
The loophole was established in the 1990s to protect people who were wrongfully accused or whose cases were dismissed, said Kelley Shannon, executive director of the Freedom of Information Foundation of Texas.
"It is meant to protect the innocent," Shannon said, but in some cases "it is being used and misused in a way that was never intended."

In the obtained letter, dated June 16, the city of Uvalde's lawyer asks Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton to rule on which public records the city is required to release, a common practice in the state.
"The City has not voluntarily released any information to a member of the public," Cynthia Trevino, a lawyer for the firm Denton Navarro Rocha Bernal & Zech, wrote to Paxton.

Among the 148 public records requests Trevino said the city has received, reporters are pressing for the disclosure of body camera footage, 911 calls, criminal records, emails and text messages and other information.

The city and its police department are arguing against the release of the requested records, citing the following reasons: the city is being sued, some individuals' criminal history records could include "highly embarrassing information"; some of the information could reveal police "methods, techniques, and strategies for preventing and predicting crime," could cause "emotional/mental distress," "is not of legitimate concern to the public," could subject city employees or officers to "a substantial threat of physical harm," and violates individuals' common-law right to privacy. City officials have also refused to release more details, reasoning that it would interfere with the ongoing investigation by the Texas Department of Public Safety, Uvalde County's district attorney and the FBI.
It's unclear from the lawyer's letter which legal protections are being applied to argue the release of which specific records.

There is a slew of questions that, if answered, could help prevent another shooting or may provide some closure to victims' families. Among them: Why did it take police over an hour to confront the gunman in the classroom where he was killing children?

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/18/1106017340/uvalde-legal-loophole-mass-shooting-records

What are Uvalde officials trying to hide hear ? 'cause they are clearly trying to hide something, something that was done that they don't want the public to know about it. Wrong doing from cops ? Like, a nervous cop being a little too trigger happy and shooting a kid or a teacher because he feaed that could have been the shooter ?
I'm just asking...

 

[Johan]

Senate advances newly released bipartisan gun safety bill in key vote​

The Senate on Tuesday cast a procedural vote to advance newly finalized bipartisan gun safety legislation, a major step moving the bill forward as lawmakers push to enact the measure in a highly polarized political climate.
The bill still has a number of hurdles to clear. In the Senate, it will face two more key votes -- first to break a filibuster and then on final passage.
The vote to break a filibuster will be a critical, high-stakes moment for the legislation since it will require 60 votes to advance, which means at least 10 Republicans will need to join Democrats in support. If senators successfully break a filibuster, then the bill would go on to a final passage vote. The House would then need to take up the bill.

Tuesday's vote to advance the measure, which came shortly after a bipartisan group of senators released the legislative text, is the clearest sign yet that the gun safety bill will likely overcome that filibuster to end debate as soon as this week.
Among the GOP senators who voted to advance the legislation on Tuesday, per the Senate Press Gallery, were: Sens. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, Joni Ernst of Iowa, Todd Young of Indiana, Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Roy Blunt of Missouri, Richard Burr of North Carolina, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, Susan Collins of Maine, John Cornyn of Texas, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Rob Portman of Ohio, Mitt Romney of Utah and Thom Tillis of North Carolina. McConnell, Ernst and Capito, who are in GOP leadership, as well as Murkowski and Young were not part of the 10 Republicans who initially signed on to support the gun safety framework.
Release of the bill text came after days of lawmakers haggling over several sticking points, raising questions over whether the effort would fall apart. Lawmakers now have to race the clock before the Senate departs for the July Fourth recess in an attempt to get the bill passed out of the chamber.
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer praised the bipartisan negotiators Tuesday evening and said the bill represents "progress and will save lives."

"While it's not everything we want, this legislation is urgently needed," the New York Democrat added in remarks on the Senate floor.
On the timeline for the legislation, Schumer said, "We will move to final passage as soon as possible. I expect the bill to pass the Senate by the week's end."
The bill -- titled the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act -- was released by Cornyn, Tillis and Democratic Sens. Chris Murphy of Connecticut and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona.
The Senate's compromise legislation on gun safety includes millions of dollars in investments in mental health, school safety, crisis intervention programs and incentives for states to include juvenile records in the National Instant Criminal Background Check system.
The bill makes significant changes to the process when someone ages 18 to 21 goes to buy a firearm. It also closes the so-called boyfriend loophole, a major victory for Democrats, who had fought for a decade for that.

What's in the bill​

Here is a breakdown of what is in the legislation:

• $750 million to help states implement and run crisis intervention programs. The money can be used to implement and manage red flag programs and for other crisis intervention programs like mental health courts, drug courts and veteran courts. Whether this money could be used for things other than red flag laws had been a primary sticking point. Republicans were able to secure money for states that don't have red flag laws but do have other crisis intervention programs.
• Closure of the so-called boyfriend loophole. This legislation closes a years-old loophole in domestic violence law that barred individuals who were convicted of domestic violence crimes against a married partners, or partners with whom they shared children or partners with whom they cohabitated from having guns. Old statutes didn't include intimate partners who may not live together, be married or share children. Now, the law will bar anyone who is convicted of a domestic violence crime against someone they have a "continuing serious relationship of a romantic or intimate nature" with from having a gun. The law isn't retroactive. It will, however, allow those convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence crimes to restore their gun rights after five years if they haven't committed other crimes. That's a key concession to Republicans.
• Requires more gun sellers to register as Federally Licensed Firearm Dealers. The bill goes after individuals who sell guns as primary sources of income but have previously evaded registering as Federally Licensed Firearm Dealers. This is significant because federally licensed dealers are required to administer background checks before they sell a gun to someone.
• More thorough reviews of people age 18-21 who want to buy guns. The bill both encourages states to include juvenile records in the National Instant Criminal Background Check system with grants as well as implements a new protocol for checking those records. It gives NICS three days to review an individual's record. If something potentially disqualifying comes up, NICS gets an additional seven days. If the review is not completed by then, the gun transfer goes through.
• Creates new federal statutes against gun trafficking and straw trafficking. Makes it easier to go after those who are buying guns for individuals who are not allowed to purchase weapons on their own.
• Increases funding for mental health programs and school security. This money is directed to a series of programs, many of which already exist but would be funded more robustly under this law.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/21/politics/gun-safety-bill-senate/index.html


I'm split on this. Should I be happy that, finally, some for of Gun Control, even not even close to the bare minimum needed, is being implemented or should I see this as a bone that's being thrown at gun-control advocates so that, when another tragic tragic mass murder will happen, gun enthusiasts will rub it at our faces "Hey, we've done Gun Control, it doesn't work. It proves the answer to gun-violence is not "less guns", it's more guns".

 

[gmase]

More evidence showing who is winning:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/...york-gun-law-along-ideological-lines-00041691

Marjorie Taylor Greene highlights the UK’s problem with mass stabbings.

@Steve-FreeOnes How many of them have there been this year? Do we need a thread to discuss them?
https://nypost.com/2022/06/23/marjorie-taylor-greene-to-reporter-go-back-to-your-country/

 

[gmase]

What are Uvalde officials trying to hide hear ? 'cause they are clearly trying to hide something, something that was done that they don't want the public to know about it. Wrong doing from cops ? Like, a nervous cop being a little too trigger happy and shooting a kid or a teacher because he feaed that could have been the shooter ?
I'm just asking...

Like many coverups, I believe they are hiding their own incompetence. It is more like who they did not shoot and why it took so long to enter the school. They had the equipment, but not the balls.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/21/texas-dps-mccraw-uvalde-school-shooting/amp/

Uvalde will be defending a number of lawsuits over the next few years. I would expect the information to come out at that time.

 

[D-rock]

I'm not a mindless "defund the police" person as that isn't a good simple answer to a very complex problem in this country. Then I read the Uvalde police department got 40% of the entire budget for the city, and think just what the hell was that money used for this entire time, to write some traffic tickets at some speed traps? It sure as hell wasn't going to protect the community.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Was there any break down of what or how the monies were spent? I think everyone realizes corruption exists everywhere, but I just wonder what their cost for things like vests, firearms, etc. are. More importantly, what are the higher ups pulling in a year? that's the first place to look if there are any shenanigans going on.

 

[Steve-FreeOnes]

@Steve-FreeOnes How many of them have there been this year? Do we need a thread to discuss them?
https://nypost.com/2022/06/23/marjorie-taylor-greene-to-reporter-go-back-to-your-country/

I don't recall any this year although I did read knife crime had risen somewhat. Tends to peak and trough in this country and knife amnesties are usually quite successful.

No mass shootings though because we have effective gun control laws in this country that stop that from happening.

 

[gmase]

Here’s some reasonable context:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...lice-funding-makes-up-40-uvalde-s-city-budget

The failure in Uvalde was leadership and training.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gunman-opens-fire-oslo-gay-122006911.html

Well it looks like France isn't the only place radical islam has made it's way to. This country has fairly strict firearms laws, but he was still able to get his hands on some fire power, including full auto, which I don't think is allowed, even with a permit, in Norway. Thankfully the death toll was a lot lower then it could have been, but still a great deal of people hurt, and a lot of chaos and havoc.

 

[gmase]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gunman-opens-fire-oslo-gay-122006911.html

Well it looks like France isn't the only place radical islam has made it's way to. This country has fairly strict firearms laws, but he was still able to get his hands on some fire power, including full auto, which I don't think is allowed, even with a permit, in Norway. Thankfully the death toll was a lot lower then it could have been, but still a great deal of people hurt, and a lot of chaos and havoc.

An Iranian immigrant targeted a pride event. That has to cause confusion to some conservatives.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

An Iranian immigrant targeted a pride event. That has to cause confusion to some conservatives.

I'm not conservative, and I'm not confused. I also have no issue with gay rights, or equal treatment. I simply pointed out that in a country generally filled with peace and acceptance, even radical nut jobs can carry out their evil. Usually it happens in France, because they have a large islamic population.

And I didn't post it, to point out other countries are no better then the USA. I posted it, because it proves, if bad people want to do bad things, they will find away.

 

[Steve-FreeOnes]

I posted it, because it proves, if bad people want to do bad things, they will find away.

They will, and much more easily when they can buy guns.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

They will, and much more easily when they can buy guns.

Yep, because the ILLEGAL GUN TRADE, will still exist, long after any gun laws are instituted. You see, laws only effect the law abiding, so criminals will ALWAYS have guns, and will always prey on the weak. I'm surprised he didn't toss a couple of pipe bombs in the bar on his way out. Usually those fucking scumbags blow shit up as they praise allah. Every statistic, shows crimes go down, when a state allows concealed carry. You wanna run around without, that would be your right, if you lived here. But you don't, so when you get stabbed, you can come on here and tell me how much better it was to be stabbed then shot. Of course you're to smart to not have all of the answers, so even statistics from the FBI unified crime reports mean nothing, because you and the rest of your self righteous ilk know far more then anyone else. But on the bright side, because of you, I now officially have 3 stooges on this board. You, johan, and the other fucktard chopper something. Yeah, I'm still hoping that little cunt accepts my invitation to come see me with his mighty cricket bat.