Should there just be a "Mass shooting in the US" sticky thread?

First off, when did ANYONE ever once say, "Oh my God, those poor parents. or Those poor innocent lives, all taken way before their time". No one has said anything about the children or the parents, they just jumped on a band wagon, and lit up a torch.
That's a lie.
The very opening of Biden's statement was about the kids who've been murdered, their parents and the kids who will have to live the rest of their lives with the image of their murdered friends printed in their memory.
And he's far from being the only one...

The truth is it's you who don't wanna hear that, it's you who live in fantasy world where all politicians are just evil filthy demons who care only about power and don't give a shit about anything else. So when one of them says he's sad 'cause something horrible happened, you choose not to hear it.

Now, once they've said how horrified you are, it's no use to repeat it again and again. It's like offering thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers won't prevent another shooting. There have to be some actions taken, some decisions made, some changes to be made.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-fifth-grader-arrested-threatening-140312160.html
Now this kids name, should be on a list FOREVER. He should never be allowed to own a gun. I don't care if he's a juvenile, this particular arrest, and or crime, should never be expunged from his records, and he should not be allowed to be suppressed as a crime by a minor. When he's 18, transfer it over to his adult file.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/deputies-arrest-florida-man-threatened-145209429.html
And here's another dumb fuck. Not only did he make a threat, but posed with what he was trying to pass off as weapons, and he was released on bail. He shouldn't even be allowed to own a pellet gun. He's 18, so I see no reason this guy shouldn't be the first example to set. They better start doing a better job of running the ball, the authorities have been fumbling an awful lot lately.
 
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-fifth-grader-arrested-threatening-140312160.html
Now this kids name, should be on a list FOREVER. He should never be allowed to own a gun. I don't care if he's a juvenile, this particular arrest, and or crime, should never be expunged from his records, and he should not be allowed to be suppressed as a crime by a minor. When he's 18, transfer it over to his adult file.

“Right now is not the time to act like a little delinquent. It’s not funny,” he said. “This child made a fake threat, and now he’s experiencing real consequences.”
Well that's a joke. What "real consequences" is he going to face? The charges likely aren't going to stick, his name will be sealed, along with his record, so he's not going to face any consequences of having a record as an adult. And I don't think written general threats on a first offence would even qualify him for juvie.

I think the most appropriate sentence is taking him to see the bodies. That will be more effective than any stint in juvie.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Yes, but the point was, here is an opportunity to nip things like this in the bud, so MAKE, and CHANGE laws about this type of shit. They have no problem talking about changing laws, so how about work on this too. If your old enough to threaten, you're old enough to be marked as a trouble maker. If you do shit like this, then as they used to say when you would screw up in school, IT'S ON YOUR PERMANENT RECORD. This is a great opportunity to show just how interested politicians are interested in stopping and fixing this problem. I get everyone's position on this, but you can not ignore this, it's important to stop it before it can start. I think this is a worthwhile place to start, especially seeing as how 2 perfect examples have been placed before us. One minor, one adult, both should be the new shining example of this type of behavior.
 

gmase

On the dark side of the moon
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'Country with decreasing and comparatively low incidents of gun crime takes steps to prevent more gun crime happening anyway'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61641543
More details right from the PM's office:

https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2022/05/30/further-strengthening-our-gun-control-laws

Bill C-21 puts forward some of the strongest gun control measures in over 40 years.

These new measures include:

  • Implementing a national freeze on handguns to prevent individuals from bringing newly acquired handguns into Canada and from buying, selling, and transferring handguns within the country.
  • Taking away the firearms licenses of those involved in acts of domestic violence or criminal harassment, such as stalking.
  • Fighting gun smuggling and trafficking by increasing criminal penalties, providing more tools for law enforcement to investigate firearms crimes, and strengthening border security measures.
  • Addressing intimate partner violence, gender-based violence, and self-harm involving firearms by creating a new “red flag” law that would enable courts to require that individuals considered a danger to themselves or others surrender their firearms to law enforcement, while protecting the safety of the individual applying to the red flag process, including by protecting their identity. In addition, the government will invest $6.6 million to help raise awareness of the new law and provide supports to vulnerable and marginalized groups to navigate the provisions.
 

Japan has almost completely eliminated gun deaths — here's how​

https://www.businessinsider.com/gun...most-completely-eliminated-gun-deaths-2017-10
  • Japan is a country of more than 127 million people, but it rarely sees more than 10 gun deaths a year.
If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

A good blueprint on what it should take to own a gun.
 

gmase

On the dark side of the moon
But.... what would James Madison think?
We know what he did think - he wrote of it in the Federalist. Guns were necessary to keep tyrants at bay. It may have worked in the 18th century, but we live in the 21st.

Funny how we look to the founders for their beliefs on guns, but there were certain other matters they got woefully wrong - including Madison.
 

Steve-FreeOnes

FO Admin / "selfish idiot mod" (he/they)
Staff member
It may have worked in the 18th century, but we live in the 21st.
I think you might be suggesting that America moves with the times and disregards or changes amendments and constitutions. They won't like that. Absolutely nothing must change, ever, no matter how many children are murdered. It's the American way.
 

gmase

On the dark side of the moon
I think you might be suggesting that America moves with the times and disregards or changes amendments and constitutions. They won't like that. Absolutely nothing must change, ever, no matter how many children are murdered. It's the American way.
Yes, I am suggesting that America move forward. We have shown the ability to amend the constitution, but it can be painful and ugly.

James Baldwin nailed it with “American history is longer, larger, more various, more beautiful, and more terrible than anything anyone has ever said about it.”
 

THE SUPREME COURT IS SET TO ISSUE AN INSANE RULING THAT WILL LEAD TO MORE DEAD AMERICANS​


Last week, an 18-year-old walked into an elementary school and, as law enforcement officers inexplicably waited outside, murdered 19 children and two teachers. Unless you’ve been cut off from the outside world, you undoubtedly already know this. But the horror seems worth repeating, not only in light of Republicans’ steadfast refusal to do literally anything to stop these types of events from occurring, but a forthcoming decision from the Supreme Court that is expected to flood the country with even more killing machines.

The case in question is New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen, which involves a 1913 law that requires someone who wants to carry a concealed gun in public in New York to have a license to do so, and in order to obtain said license, prove that they have “proper cause.”
In New York, that “proper cause” can’t be some vague fear of violence but a credible threat against that person’s life, and one that cannot be mitigated in other ways. Subsequently, it means the odds of the accountant in line behind you at the Chipotle on Seventh Avenue and 38th Street having a handgun on him is a lot lower than his counterpart in Dallas, where, thanks to Governor Greg Abbott, anyone can carry a gun without a license (or a background check, or training). A lot of people living in New York like this setup and, presumably, the flip side is at least one of the reasons they would choose not to relocate to Texas or one of the other states in this country where conservatives care more about embryos than they do living, breathing things. But the plaintiffs in NYSRPA v. Bruen are challenging that 1913 law, so that when you go out for lunch in Manhattan, or Brooklyn, or Albany, or Rensselaer—where they hail from—you have you to worry about whether the person sitting next to you is carrying a loaded weapon just for the fuck of it.

The court is due to hand down a ruling by the end of June, but many legal experts say the verdict is already clear, and the only question at this point is if the court’s conservatives will be giving a large gift to gun nuts or a colossal one. During oral arguments last November, the court’s conservative goon squad peppered attorneys with a cornucopia of absurd hypotheticals, arguing that letting people carry a gun on, for instance, a crowded R train is not a public safety threat but an essential constitutional right. Brett Kavanaugh who, like Amy Coney Barrett, was nominated to the Supreme Court in part due to his firearms-friendly record as a judge—which the Giffords Law Center describes as “troubling” and “ideologically aligned with the gun lobby”—wanted to know why someone’s “proper cause” can’t just be “I want to be able to defend myself.” When plaintiff attorney Paul Clement charitably offered that the law could be struck down while still banning guns in “sensitive places,” but couldn’t answer Justice Elena Kagan’s question re: what, exactly, would constitute a sensitive place, Barrett, doing Clement’s job for him, asked, “Can’t we just say Times Square on New Year’s Eve is a sensitive place? Because now we’ve seen people are on top of each other, we’ve had experience with violence, so we’re making a judgment, it’s a sensitive place.” As Slate’s Mark Joseph Stern wrote at the time, “it’s pretty cold comfort if New York can only ban guns in one of the most crowded places in the world on its single busiest night.”


But it was arch-conservative Samuel Alito—y’know, the one who likes his abortion laws modeled after those of the 17th century—who did the hardest bidding on behalf of America’s gun enthusiasts, suggesting that the New York law is some kind of cruel and unusual punishment inflicted upon “ordinary law-abiding citizens” who need to carry a gun on them when they ride the New York City subway system, which he painted as a crime-ridden hellhole. Despite having never previously or since shown much concern for the working class, Alito asked New York solicitor general Barbara Underwood: “I want you to think about people like this, people who work late at night in Manhattan. It might be somebody who cleans offices, it might be a doorman at an apartment, it might be a nurse or an orderly, it might be somebody who washes dishes. None of these people has a criminal record. They’re all law-abiding citizens. They get off work around midnight, maybe even after midnight. They have to commute home by subway, maybe by bus. When they arrive at the subway station or the bus stop, they have to walk some distance through a high-crime area. And they apply for a license, and they say: ‘Look, nobody has said I’m going to mug you next Thursday. However, there have been a lot of muggings in this area, and I am scared to death.’ They do not get licenses, is that right?” Naturally, Alito did not respond kindly to Underwood noting that it would be a bad idea to put “a lot of armed people in an enclosed space.”
“It remains to be seen exactly how broad the Supreme Court goes, but one thing is clear: As mass shootings become more of a political issue, the court is going to take options away from lawmakers on the basis of the Second Amendment,” Adam Winkler, a professor at UCLA School of Law, told The Hill, noting that it’s very likely the Supreme Court’s ruling will make it harder for cities to restrict concealed weapons. He added that, despite what you may have heard from gun-rights advocates, arming more “good guys” with guns will not make innocent people any safer— but pretending that the Second Amendment says something that it doesn’t—like that anyone, anywhere, can carry a gun—will make it significantly more difficult for lawmakers to pass laws aimed at preventing people from being killed. (On a related note—like most people’s views on Roe versus what the Supreme Court is expected to decidemost people in the U.S. want more gun restrictions and fewer mass shootings, making the impending ruling from the court even more ridiculous.)
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/supreme-court-new-york-concealed-carry-gun-law
 

gmase

On the dark side of the moon
Whoops, one more from Chattanooga …
https://thehill.com/news/ap/ap-u-s-news/police-tennessee-shooting-leads-to-3-dead-14-injured/

Three died (2 by gunfire and 1 by vehicle).


The NRA and its minions (including the GOP) can rest easy. Senator Murphy (D-CT) shows who is winning. In order words - nothing will be changing.

“We’re not going to put a piece of legislation on the table that’s going to ban assault weapons, or we’re not going to pass comprehensive background checks,”

https://thehill.com/news/sunday-tal...-weapons-ban-comprehensive-background-checks/

Not certain what they will be doing then.
 
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