Shocking New Evidence On 1969 Moon Landing

[McRocket]

In fact, I've always argued that for Iraq, a "separation of powers" would be ideal to contain the "Sunnies don't trust Shites," "Shites don't trust Sunnies" and "neither trust the Kurds" in Iraq when it comes to the Legislative (3 houses).
The Executive is straight-forward, the people vote.
And the Judicial are the Islamic Clerks -- 3 from each of the 3 (9 total), selected by the Executive, approved by the corresponding Legislative (the 1 house) -- who would ensure and preserve the traditional order and history of Islam in a secular federal.

Anyhoo, I've really gone off a tangent here. Sorry.

I have a simpler solution for Iraq. Split it up - assuming they vote for it. The Kurds for sure would. Just keep American military bases there to stop the Turks invading - which the Kurds would agree to (the bases).
Give the Shite's their own country and get the US out of there. ANd give the Sunni's their own country plus the other two share oil revenues with them for a period of time. Presto. The US can leave. They have their Middle Eastern military bases (which they REALLY want apparently) and the problem is over - for the US anyway. There will be some border skirmishes. But that is inevitable. Iraq is a mess and will take a generation to fix it - at least. Either do this or face a civil war - imo.

I apologize for bothering anyone for my getting off of topic.

 

[4G63]

Cock Balls
That's 1000 Mother Fucker's!!!!!

 

[McRocket]

Cock Balls
That's 1000 Mother Fucker's!!!!!

huh?

 

[4G63]

huh?

Alcohol

 

[Member2019]

I have a simpler solution for Iraq. Split it up - assuming they vote for it. The Kurds for sure would.
Just keep American military bases there to stop the Turks invading - which the Kurds would agree to (the bases).
Give the Shite's their own country and get the US out of there.
ANd give the Sunni's their own country plus the other two share oil revenues with them for a period of time. Presto. The US can leave.

Not so simple.
By creating individual countries, there is a likely chance they will war.
It didn't work for India.
It didn't work for the Slavic nations of Europe.
Heck, it didn't work for the US in the mid-19th century.
There will always be a reason for dislike and war, unless trust by working together is earned over time.

The way to AVOID that is to build a system of trust which only happens over time.
A federal Iraq of 3 semi-autonomous entities is needed, and it will heal all mistrust over time.
I don't think they don't have to aim for the sky off-the-bat, but a federal Iraq is very much necessary for the peace in the region.

And there's always the fear that a Shite Iraq would merge with an Iran.

 

[McRocket]

By creating individual countries, there is a likely chance they will war.
It didn't work for India.
It didn't work for the Slavic nations of Europe.
Heck, it didn't work for the US in the mid-19th century.

It did not work for Ireland or Cyprus or Korea or...lol. But as I said. Give them the chance to choose. If they vote for it; then that is how it should be. And I truly believe that would be better for the world in the long run.

And there's always the fear that a Shite Iraq would merge with an Iran.

Again; none of our business if it does. I agree that would probably happen, but that is for them to decide. Good intentions aside (and I believe yours are) it is time that the world stop budding in to the affairs of other countries. They should be able to do what they wish - short of crimes against humanity.

 

[stryder]

All I have to say is the Prof. Voluptuary's take on physics and his understanding of the situation is spot on. He/she is 100% correct.

 

[Member2019]

All I have to say is the Prof. Voluptuary's take on physics and his understanding of the situation is spot on.

Whew! I was hoping at least one person would agree with me.
As much as a few might believe I'm biased because I'm a former NASA engineer, understand I've been very critical on NASA at the same time.
But no program has been faked -- if and when NASA fails -- everyone knows about it.

He/she is 100% correct.

Just FYI, I'm a "he" -- although some might think I'm a "pussy" at times given my responses.

 

[ÆGEAN]

lol, i will have to browse this thread during daylight hours

more time for me that way

 

[Member2019]

Any reason the poll went away?
Was it that embarrasing?

 

[McRocket]

Any reason the poll went away?
Was it that embarrasing?

I know not why Professor.

 

[Jacksson_77]

Any reason the poll went away?
Was it that embarrasing?

I'd like to know that, too... :dunno:
I started the poll on january 4th, 2004. Are polls automatically closed after a certain time?

:hatsoff: Jackson

 

[Member2019]

I'd like to know that, too... :dunno:
I started the poll on january 4th, 2004.
Are polls automatically closed after a certain time?
:hatsoff: Jackson

Even when a poll closes, the results stay.
The poll was just recently "lost" -- coincidentally just after I started posting.

 

[Jacksson_77]

Even when a poll closes, the results stay.
The poll was just recently "lost" -- coincidentally just after I started posting.

I think it has to do with the fact that the poll has been merged with another thread. Maybe the poll results can be restored, I guess I'll contact a mod regarding this.

:hatsoff: Jackson

 

[time]

I dont know if it was faked or not I would not put it passed the US goverment to fake somthing like this tho

I wonder if we will ever truly know the truth

time

 

[amstrad]

I dont know if it was faked or not I would not put it passed the US goverment to fake somthing like this tho

I wonder if we will ever truly know the truth

Sad. Just ... sad.

The scientific literacy of this country (and I mean the US) is pitiful. The need for people to want to believe in outrageous conspiracy theories over simple facts continues to astound and perplex me.

Why is it that people prefer to believe in ghosts, magic, ESP, telekinesis, psychics, alien abductions, witchcraft, astrology and various other pseudo-sciences when simple rational thinking invalidates them all?

Why is it that people seek wonder and enlightenment in these superstitions and false sciences when there is such beauty and awe can be found in the natural and scientific worlds if only they would look?

How can the United States expect to hold on to its position as world super power if it teaches its children that it is more admirable to be captain of the football team than be an academic leader?

I don't expect everyone to grow up to be scientists, but the average level of scientific knowledge displayed by the general population is pathetic and must be improved. When politics comes before academics (read: Kansas Board of Education), everyone loses.

The United States is setting itself up for failure.

 

[McRocket]

Why is it that people prefer to believe in ghosts, magic, ESP, telekinesis, psychics, alien abductions, witchcraft, astrology and various other pseudo-sciences when simple rational thinking invalidates them all?

Magic and witchcraft I do not believe in. All of the others I believe can/do exist to varying extents. There have been many scientific studies that confirm the brains ability to exihibit ESP and telekinisis in very small amounts. Astrology I think has already proven itself to have at least some small basis in fact (though no one should ever change any aspect of their life because of it - imo). And to assume that there is no other intelligent creatures in the universe with superior space technology is arrogant in the extremisis in my opinion. I do not believe in crop circles or massive alien abductions. But I believe that alieans of some type have visited Earth on at least one occasion. Though I cannot prove it.
Someone who was once very close to told me how he/she met (long ago) one of the members of the old U.S. Air Force Project Blue Book (the USAF's examination of UFO's). When he was rather intoxicated he admitted that of course UFO's existed - but that they were under orders to ALWAYS deny it. This is not proof - but it is interesting.

How can the United States expect to hold on to its position as world super power if it teaches its children that it is more admirable to be captain of the football team than be an academic leader?

Well put. But the US's World leadership will end soon anyway. Pure GDP decides who are the big kids on the block - and within 30 years (at present GDP growth rates) China will pass the US's total GDP. India about 20 years after that.
No matter how educated her population gets - the United States' days of being the most powerful country in the World should end within your lifetime.

I don't expect everyone to grow up to be scientists, but the average level of scientific knowledge displayed by the general population is pathetic and must be improved. When politics comes before academics (read: Kansas Board of Education), everyone loses.

The United States is setting itself up for failure.

Personally, I believe an improvement in morality and consideration of one's fellow human (and I am NOT talking about religion) would do more to enhance America's power and the average American's quality of life then an increase in education. There is little point to more technology if it continues to be employed in ways that are either counter productive (recreation/pleasure/automotive) or destructive (military).
And unless I am wrong - most of the money spent on technological improvements go towards these two major areas.

I enjoyed your post though.

 

[amstrad]

There have been many scientific studies that confirm the brains ability to exihibit ESP and telekinisis in very small amounts. Astrology I think has already proven itself to have at least some small basis in fact (though no one should ever change any aspect of their life because of it - imo).

I strongly disagree.

A scientific study involves forming a falsifiable hypothesis and then testing your hypothesis against the null hypothesis (the conclusion that your experimental results are due to random chance and not a result of your theory).

The psuedo-sciences I mentioned rarely make falsifiable claims (take a look at a horoscope, most of the time they are so vague as to be un-falsifiable), and when they do, they only make correct predictions no more fequently than random chance. I find it absolutely astonishing that people actually pay money to astrologers and psychics to give them information that a flip of a coin can give them for free.

I challange you and anyone else to come up with a referenced, peer-review published scientific paper that supports any of the psuedo-sciences.

And to assume that there is no other intelligent creatures in the universe with superior space technology is arrogant in the extremisis in my opinion.

I don't deny that the possibility of advanced alien civilizations exist in the Universe (see the Drake Equation for quantifiable speculation). I do, however, deny that any contact with said civilizations has ever occured, and I seriously doubt that any contact wll ever be made.

Interestingly, while the Drake Equation speculates that large numbers of advanced alien civilizations should exist, the fact that we have NOT detected them gives rise to the Fermi paradox.

Carl Sagan's solution to the Fermi paradox is that advanced civilizations tend to quickly and accidently destroy themselves (nukes, unsupervised nanotechnology, etc. ).

 

[Member2019]

I dont know if it was faked or not I would not put it passed the US goverment to fake somthing like this tho
I wonder if we will ever truly know the truth

Anyone with an ounce of scientific background knows this is very feasible, and given the milestones achived, it really happened.
I wasn't alive when it happened, but I spent several years working with the same engineers -- first hand -- that made it happen.

The reason why we don't go to the moon today is that it is very expensive, and the costs involved would make it prohibitive.
Once JFK's dream was reached, it marked the end of the "no limit" funding of NASA -- not even a full dozen years.

But what does the modern American know?
Two shuttle tragedies and a couple of probe goofs -- and NASA isn't respected anymore.
The difference is money, pure and simple -- I'm surprised we haven't had more.
Especially given the number of shuttle missions.

The Shuttle Transport System (STS) was an engineering marvell that was well beyond the Apollo program.
But Americans don't care about that, they want the Hollywood trip to the moon.

 

[McRocket]

I challange you and anyone else to come up with a referenced, peer-review published scientific paper that supports any of the psuedo-sciences.

Fair enough. And I challenge you to prove that there is no possibility that they do exist.

I do, however, deny that any contact with said civilizations has ever occured, and I seriously doubt that any contact wll ever be made.

Again. Prove your theory and I will examine your results. And your last statement is very un-scientific. I thought science was basically developing theories and then proving or disproving those theories using proven and verifiable means.
I do not think 'seriously doubting' is a very scientific term. In my opinion anyway.
Having typed that; not everything is proveable in the universe. There are some things that cannot be measured but can influence other things through subtle ways. The study of the universe for one. Dark matter for another.
Science is not always exact. I think it hurts us when we close are mind to possibilities simply because they cannot be proven by known means.

Have a nice day.