Shay Laren
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Woman can gain width and weight into their early 20s. It may be of no doing on her own.I talked with her on www.flirt4free.com last night and have some interesting news to share.
She's gained a little weight so her hourglass figure is not as dramatic as before. She is by NO MEANS overweight but she is not nearly as skinny as before. IMO her ass looks better because of it
In any case the thing about hourglass figures is that they take weight very nicely. Shay is one woman who will be eternally beautiful, even with +30lbs.
I don't think a woman is any less or more classy because she has multiple, sexual partners with regularity. She's just enjoying herself as a woman.
Classy comes from how people treat others.
/shrug
You're reading too much into what I said. I never said that she wasn't attractive with more weight. In fact, I said I like the way her booty looks now. I did prefer her when she was more thin but she's still extremely sexy.
As for whether or not sexual promiscuity has anything to do with class...I guess that's a difference in values, mate. I'm a little bit old fashioned and to me sleeping around indicates a lack of self respect.
Maybe that's not true in this case but, again, I wan't to point out that more than anything it doesn't matter. I will enjoy her work regardless. I was just a little surprised is all, but that's my fault.
Cheers
You're reading too much into what I said. I never said that she wasn't attractive with more weight. In fact, I said I like the way her booty looks now. I did prefer her when she was more thin but she's still extremely sexy.
As for whether or not sexual promiscuity has anything to do with class...I guess that's a difference in values, mate. I'm a little bit old fashioned and to me sleeping around indicates a lack of self respect.
Maybe that's not true in this case but, again, I wan't to point out that more than anything it doesn't matter. I will enjoy her work regardless. I was just a little surprised is all, but that's my fault.
Cheers
I find it strange that somebody like Shay would even need to go out and find numerous guys. It would seem somebody of her caliber could have the pick of the best men out there for a long term relationship.
Also, while I don't care what she does with her life, I'm also somebody that thinks having sex with a bunch of people for personal gratification and classiness don't go together.
Also, while I don't care what she does with her life, I'm also somebody that thinks having sex with a bunch of people for personal gratification and classiness don't go together.
On looks and promiscuity ...
If more people were being sexually adventurous in the world, there would be far more men and women going to bed happy in the world. Sex is to be practiced often for enjoyment of all parties, whether with one or many, whatever all parties agree upon.
The problems in the world aren't caused by sex, the amount or number of partners. The problems in the world are caused by jealousy, envy, lack of consent. Class is about how you treat others, handle their feelings with care and, in general, treat them as they want to be treated.
Whether you have one partner or many isn't part of the equation -- unless, of course, you're sleeping with people and trashing their feelings. You don't take on short-term lovers unless they are open to the idea. Immaturity and lack of respect is far worse than this allegedly lack of class.
And I hope everyone realizes I say this as someone who has been monogamous since the early '90s. At the same time, I love my wife enough to let her enjoy multiple partners if she was so inclined -- because I respect her as a lady who is deserving of what she desires.
And I never said you did either way. I was merely just adding to your comments.
Sorry guys, completely disagree here.
If more people were being sexually adventurous in the world, there would be far more men and women going to bed happy in the world. Sex is to be practiced often for enjoyment of all parties, whether with one or many, whatever all parties agree upon.
The problems in the world aren't caused by sex, the amount or number of partners. The problems in the world are caused by jealousy, envy, lack of consent. Class is about how you treat others, handle their feelings with care and, in general, treat them as they want to be treated.
Whether you have one partner or many isn't part of the equation -- unless, of course, you're sleeping with people and trashing their feelings. You don't take on short-term lovers unless they are open to the idea. Immaturity and lack of respect is far worse than this allegedly lack of class.
And I hope everyone realizes I say this as someone who has been monogamous since the early '90s. At the same time, I love my wife enough to let her enjoy multiple partners if she was so inclined -- because I respect her as a lady who is deserving of what she desires.
Re: On looks and promiscuity ...
... I've always been admirative of your "science" about Hour-Glass proportions and the subsequent attraction it has on males. :thumbsup:
Now I discover your profound respect for women (and certainly men) freedom and self-determination.
But your last statement about your wife leaves me wondering .... is this just theoretical, in which case it is pure intellectual conjectures, or is this "tried and tested", in which I'll need some explanation on your impressive self-control and apparent detachment...:hatsoff:
... I've always been admirative of your "science" about Hour-Glass proportions and the subsequent attraction it has on males. :thumbsup:
Now I discover your profound respect for women (and certainly men) freedom and self-determination.
But your last statement about your wife leaves me wondering ....
is this just theoretical, in which case it is pure intellectual conjectures, or is this "tried and tested", in which I'll need some explanation on your impressive self-control and apparent detachment...:hatsoff:Having casual sex with multiple strangers is usually indicative of low self esteem and is a major health concern.
Even adult film stars who are tested regularly run the risk of infection so sleeping with many random people is extremely dangerous and shows a lack of respect for yourself and for the people you have intercourse with.
With all due respect, being sexually adventurous and being promiscuous do not go hand in hand and sexual dignity most certainly does equate to class.
Even adult film stars who are tested regularly run the risk of infection so sleeping with many random people is extremely dangerous and shows a lack of respect for yourself and for the people you have intercourse with.
With all due respect, being sexually adventurous and being promiscuous do not go hand in hand and sexual dignity most certainly does equate to class.
Re: On looks and promiscuity ...
We love our wives enough that we'd be open to anything for them. I know I'm not the same stud as I was when I was 18. And as best as I try to keep our marriage far from bland, there is always the chance she could want a little more than I cannot give. I am ready for that day, and I know I'm not the only man in the world who would for their wives either.
As long as she promises never to leave me out of her decisions and always be open with me, she will always have my heart. That's what marriage is about to me. Everything else will fall into place without me having to worry. Besides, if my wife really doesn't want to be with me, then having another man in the bedroom isn't going to change that either way, she'll leave anyway.
Is it more simple to be monogamous? Yes. Is it an easier life? Hell yes. Less complications, less people involved, less probability of one being immature -- it only takes one.
I think people can define their own maturity for themselves. If not, then they deserve what they get for themselves. I've seen it. We've all seen it. At the same time, some people are mature enough to handle multiple relationships. It takes honesty, forwardness and openness. No hiding anything and definitely never engaging people who aren't into it themselves.
That's where it breaks down. People aren't honest, they aren't forward, they aren't open in what they say and want. And that's the problem. But no one here has any right to define that for others. Immature exposes itself, including people who judge and maybe, just maybe, couldn't be mature enough to handle such a woman.
Honestly.
And I say this as someone who prefers monogamy myself. My wife feels the same way. We love monogamy, but never judge others who have other types of relationships. As long as they respect us and our choices, respect others and their choices, then that's all. They are mature. They should do what pleases them and others.
I've met a lot of couples that have been married dozens of years. Most won't agree with me, but a good number will.But your last statement about your wife leaves me wondering ....
We love our wives enough that we'd be open to anything for them. I know I'm not the same stud as I was when I was 18. And as best as I try to keep our marriage far from bland, there is always the chance she could want a little more than I cannot give. I am ready for that day, and I know I'm not the only man in the world who would for their wives either.
As long as she promises never to leave me out of her decisions and always be open with me, she will always have my heart. That's what marriage is about to me. Everything else will fall into place without me having to worry. Besides, if my wife really doesn't want to be with me, then having another man in the bedroom isn't going to change that either way, she'll leave anyway.
It's this type of commentary that reminds me of the right-wing in general.
Is it more simple to be monogamous? Yes. Is it an easier life? Hell yes. Less complications, less people involved, less probability of one being immature -- it only takes one.
I think people can define their own maturity for themselves. If not, then they deserve what they get for themselves. I've seen it. We've all seen it. At the same time, some people are mature enough to handle multiple relationships. It takes honesty, forwardness and openness. No hiding anything and definitely never engaging people who aren't into it themselves.
That's where it breaks down. People aren't honest, they aren't forward, they aren't open in what they say and want. And that's the problem. But no one here has any right to define that for others. Immature exposes itself, including people who judge and maybe, just maybe, couldn't be mature enough to handle such a woman.
Honestly.
And I say this as someone who prefers monogamy myself. My wife feels the same way. We love monogamy, but never judge others who have other types of relationships. As long as they respect us and our choices, respect others and their choices, then that's all. They are mature. They should do what pleases them and others.
And yet you happily endorse porn and everything that goes with it by being on this site, therefore you are indirectly causing the decline of health for these porn stars.
Also, are guys just as trashy as women for having multiple partners? Most people wouldn't think of them that way. So what's good for the gander....
That's also what I was thinking, but I figured the other arguments stand on their own.
My comment reminds you of the right wing? I don't follow your logic, most likely because there isn't any.
Choosing not to be involved in polygamous or anonymous sexual activity is hardly a right wing concept. You're grabbing at straws and trying to turn this into a socio-political discussion or make me out to look like a prude, which obviously I am not because I am here. I am as sexually liberal as the next person but I do believe that people should respect themselves enough to be as careful as they can be.
Also, since when is "right-wing" a pejorative? Being conservative in one aspect or another is hardly a handicap.
Normally I wouldn't dignify this with a response but I feel like being childish.
Since you are so very clever and your reading comprehension is clearly well developed, quote where I assigned the behavior of random sexual encounters being "trashy" to one specific gender.
Also, I noted that there is testing for porn stars and not once did I make reference to the porn industry as vile or socially unacceptable...so...that begs the question: WHAT'S YOUR POINT?
Again, and for the last time I hope, I don't care what she does because it doesn't involve me. I simply perceived her to be one way and now have noticed a change in her. It's not my place to condemn her behavior and I just don't care enough to try.
Please don't ad lib or put words in my mouth anymore. You are arguing with what you think I am saying or what you want me to say instead of what I am actually saying. It's a difference of perception and values and I am not trying to change or insult yours at all...and if you haven't gotten that by now...well..I don't want to beat this dead horse anymore.
Choosing not to be involved in polygamous or anonymous sexual activity is hardly a right wing concept. You're grabbing at straws and trying to turn this into a socio-political discussion or make me out to look like a prude, which obviously I am not because I am here. I am as sexually liberal as the next person but I do believe that people should respect themselves enough to be as careful as they can be.
Also, since when is "right-wing" a pejorative? Being conservative in one aspect or another is hardly a handicap.
Normally I wouldn't dignify this with a response but I feel like being childish.
Since you are so very clever and your reading comprehension is clearly well developed, quote where I assigned the behavior of random sexual encounters being "trashy" to one specific gender.
Also, I noted that there is testing for porn stars and not once did I make reference to the porn industry as vile or socially unacceptable...so...that begs the question: WHAT'S YOUR POINT?
Again, and for the last time I hope, I don't care what she does because it doesn't involve me. I simply perceived her to be one way and now have noticed a change in her. It's not my place to condemn her behavior and I just don't care enough to try.
Please don't ad lib or put words in my mouth anymore. You are arguing with what you think I am saying or what you want me to say instead of what I am actually saying. It's a difference of perception and values and I am not trying to change or insult yours at all...and if you haven't gotten that by now...well..I don't want to beat this dead horse anymore.
Who says she's not being careful?
Do not think, for a moment, that sexual responsibility and sexual adventurism are mutually exclusive. A woman can have multiple partners with regularity, and still be responsible.
And I don't understand what this has anything to do with "respect." Respect comes with how you treat others. If she's not honest with her lovers, that's one thing. But the fact that she has multiple lovers has nothing to do with "respect."
Nothing has changed in my book. She could be frigid. She could be sexually experimental. Doesn't make any difference in my consideration of her.
If you met her, she is a lady to be cherished, for however she decides to involve you in her life. Sigh, these comments really just make me wonder.
And that's before I even think about her killer hourglass figure and hotter-than-a-supermodel topping.
I didn't think anything of the sort. This is you being presumptuous yet again.
We get it already. You're this new generation of sensitive male that forgives every transgression committed by a female before it's even occurred. I'm not trying to take that from you, I just wish I didn't have to listen to you preach since I live in the real world and do not wish to subscribe to that flawed system of beliefs.
You don't have any idea what this has to do with respect because women have an unencroachable status to you. Those of us who are more socially realistic understand what pitfalls lie in wait for people who sleep with random people. Those of us who are in the mental health community know that random sex with uninformed partners is indicative of something else going on and that scorched earth approach to sex is not about respect, it's about destruction.
You chose to turn this in to a debate of "what ifs" instead of reviewing the factual content in what I said. If she has multiple partners and uses protection and is honest with all parties about it, I agree there is little harm. However, that is. Not what she said she is doing. She said she is seeing multiple men and picking up random men...by you're own admission that is unacceptable.
You would have saved face if you had gotten all the facts before you decided to stand up against what you erroneously thought was going on. Ask a question or two before you white knight yourself and take on a cause blindly.
Back to my original intent.....Shay Laren toys at flirt4free.com!
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