Several People Shot Outside Empire State Bldg This A.M.

[alexpnz]

Keep selling guns to these Miscreants....
http://news.yahoo.com/several-people-shot-outside-empire-state-building-133147539.html

 

[larss]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...7534.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

Wake up America - you need some sort of gun control!

 

[bootsperverted]

Fucking nuts!

I think when the US Constitution was drafted, the right to bear arms actually meant real arms, the ones connected to your shoulders...

 

[SabrinaDeep]

When will stupid terrorists will start realizing that they can simply go to time square with a gun and shoot at ppl randomly? :-(
Anyway, the problem is not just the guns: it's also a frenetic culture which abandoned family values in favor of anti depressants. My 2 cents.

 

[Sam Fisher]

What did you expect? It's a "GUN RESTRICTED AREA". The perp knew nobody else would be carrying a gun because it is "against the law".

 

[Sam Fisher]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...534.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_re f=false

Wake up America - you need some sort of gun control!

lol. New York City has one of the strictest gun control laws in the country. What part of keeping guns out of the hands of law abiding people, which allows criminals to prey on unarmed citizens, don't you understand???

 

[Johan]

When will stupid terrorists will start realizing that they can simply go to time square with a gun and shoot at ppl randomly? :-(
Anyway, the problem is not just the guns: it's also a frenetic culture which abandoned family values in favor of anti depressants. My 2 cents.

True. But the first thing to do is to take guns from sickos' hands.
Then cure them, put an end to the frenetic culture. But it will take time. Gun control laws would take less time if someone has the guts to pass them...

 

[larss]

What did you expect? It's a "GUN RESTRICTED AREA". The perp knew nobody else would be carrying a gun because it is "against the law".

Are you a total fuckwit?
The suspect took a gun to shoot someone else with because he had a gun and he could and wanted to shoot his specific target - an ex co-worker, not because he thought he could get away with it because other people were not carrying. The police were, and they shot him dead. Where the fuck is your logic, numnuts?

Also, where were all those people who could carry guns in the movie theatre a few weeks ago? Sure protected them!

lol. New York City has one of the strictest gun control laws in the country. What part of keeping guns out of the hands of law abiding people, which allows criminals to prey on unarmed citizens, don't you understand???

Gun control stops people owning the guns in the first place. Have you not noticed that the gun crime rate in the UK where you cannot legally own a firearm is lower (per capita) than that of the US?

Are you so totally stupid that you do not realise that the chances of you getting to your firearm when a criminal confronts you with a gun are totally negligible, and that if you did have a gun on you and you reached for it would mean that you were more than likely shot dead? Having a gun for "protection" is more likely to get you killed or injured than not having a gun.

People with guns kill people with guns.

Personally, I'd rather be robbed and alive than robbed and dead.

 

[bobjustbob]

Huffington reporting it before they know the details.

 

[The Yak]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-celebrates-full-week-without-deadly-mass-sh,29293/

The timing on this was perfect.

 

[Ulysses31]

Police response to Empire State shooter questioned as evidence reveals officers' gunfire injured nine passers-by while gunman fired no more bullets


* Jeffrey Johnson, 58, shot ex-boss Steven Ercolino, 41, three times outside former workplace near New York City skyscraper

* Reportedly fired by Ercolino two years ago

* He was wearing smart grey suit and carrying a briefcase

* Ran off but was chased by construction worker who alerted police

* When Johnson aimed his gun at police, officers shot him dead

* Nine injured in gunfire are all believed to have been hit by police gunfire

* Evidence shows Johnson did not fire at police

* One victim shot by police, Robert Asika, said officers were 'firing randomly'

* Three remained in hospital on Friday night

* Neighbour: Shooter was always alone and 'immaculately' dressed

* Neighbors recalled that Johnson was quiet and 'very lonely'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ssers-gunman-fired-bullets.html#ixzz24amL8FQq

 

[Rey C.]

True. But the first thing to do is to take guns from sickos' hands.
Then cure them, put an end to the frenetic culture. But it will take time. Gun control laws would take less time if someone has the guts to pass them...

I understand your point. But because we live in a democracy and fewer Americans now favor gun control than at any time in the past 50 years or so, passing a law that a rather broad majority would oppose would be difficult, if not impossible.

We have to also take into account the reality of gun control. Other than these random, one-off cases we've been hearing about lately, the overwhelming majority of gun crimes are committed by those who are already prohibited by law from owning or possessing firearms. So gun control already applies to them. But as I've said many times, whether we're discussing guns, drugs, prostitution or even speeding, laws are nothing more than words on a piece of paper if the law is unenforceable or is only applied to otherwise law abiding citizens. But I really don't know what the answer to this issue is. It's just too complex and I don't think there are any easy answers.

BTW, based on what I heard today, all of the people wounded in NYC were struck by police fire. I mention that because of things we often hear from proponents of concealed carry laws. Now, I'm not opposed to concealed carry. In fact, I used to have a concealed carry permit. But people who think that it's a good idea to have a bunch of scared, confused (largely untrained) people whipping out their pop guns and firing at anybody else who is armed... well, to me, that just has failure written all over it. Especially when we see cases like this where even well trained police officers wind up shooting by-standers.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...7534.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

Wake up America - you need some sort of gun control!

We have a Second Amendment, because of YOUR country. Thanks by the way.

We have no need for any further gun laws, we just need to stop plea bargaining down the criminals that are getting caught.

I guess it would be less of a problem, if her stabbed his victims.

You don't feel a need to be prepared, because you aren't a citizen, you are a subject. You have only as many rights, as your queen thinks you should have.

Your country is small, and far less populated then America...you can't compare the per capita rate of violence.

 

[Whit]

lol. New York City has one of the strictest gun control laws in the country. What part of keeping guns out of the hands of law abiding people, which allows criminals to prey on unarmed citizens, don't you understand???

Worked really well in your state didn't it!

 

[georges]

http://news.yahoo.com/nypd-empire-state-victims-hit-police-gunfire-180844387.html
in facts it is the cops who shot people

 

[DR. B]

on a much lighter note, I'm hung like a fruit bat.

seriously, I am.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

on a much lighter note, I'm hung like a fruit bat.

seriously, I am.

It least you won't hurt her, when you shove it in her ass....

 

[Ulysses31]

Eviction notice sent Empire State Building gunman over the edge and he blamed former coworker for his misfortune

* Jeffrey Johnson, 58, shot ex-boss Steven Ercolino, 41, three times outside former workplace near New York City skyscraper
* Reportedly fired by Ercolino two years ago
* He was wearing smart grey suit and carrying a briefcase
* Ran off but was chased by construction worker who alerted police
* When Johnson aimed his gun at police, officers shot him dead
* Nine injured in gunfire are all believed to have been hit by police gunfire
* Evidence shows Johnson did not fire at police
* One victim shot by police, Robert Asika, said officers were 'firing randomly'
* Three remained in hospital on Friday night
* Neighbour: Shooter was always alone and 'immaculately' dressed
* Neighbors recalled that Johnson was quiet and 'very lonely'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aused-kill-Steven-Ercolino.html#ixzz24gSoctgP

 

[Rey C.]

In the video I saw, it looked like some of the cops were fairly close to him... damn near "point blank" range when the shooting started. I understand the police concept of threat elimination, but 16 rounds fired at one individual in a crowded area??? :dunno: For whatever reason, NY cops have developed a reputation for firing high numbers of rounds when dealing with this sorts of situations. I was just a couple of years ago that they did something similar and also hot by-standers. I remember many years ago when there was a debate in New York about issuing the cops high capacity semi-autos, rather than the standard 6 shot revolvers of the time. I'm beginning to think now that it may be a better idea to go back to issuing 6 shot revolvers to the rank & file beat cops and only issue high capacity semi-autos to cops who have received more specialized urban combat training - not really SWAT, but more than the standard training that these guys get. I've shot with enough cops over the years to know that some, though not all, are average shots at best. Many of them rarely go to the range any more than they are forced to. In fact, back when I used to shoot a lot, I was a lot better pistol shot than most of the cops that belonged to my range. So I'm just saying that it may not be the best idea to give average shooters rapid firing, high capacity weapons - especially in an urban environment.

Also, from what has been printed, the shooter got his .45 pistol while living in Florida back in the early 90's. So it was a legal purchase. But his possession of that weapon in NYC was illegal.

And counter to what our "board genius", Sam Fisher, has said, it really wouldn't matter if the victim and everyone around him had been armed with H&K MP5 sub-machine guns or just ink pens... if someone wants you dead and you're in an open, public area, they do what this guy did: walk up and shoot you in the head. It's not like they're going to announce their deed beforehand and call you out into the street at high noon, like in Western movies, now is it? The cops arrived and killed Johnson within minutes. So the end was as it should have been (other than quite a few innocents being hit). Johnson was prepared to die. In fact, he may have wanted to die after he killed his victim ("suicide by cop").

Whether people believe in gun control or carry laws or not, imagine what would have happened if say, 10 of the people at this scene had been armed and been firing when the cops rolled up. Unless the shooter had been wearing a black cowboy hat and a sign on his coat that read "I'm The Bad Guy!", the other 10 wouldn't have known who to shoot at and the cops wouldn't have known which of them to fire at. Think!

 

[DR. B]

The Shooting Starts at 3:00 min. mark