Rough Sex in the Real World

Take her out to a nice restaurant and bring it up over dinner. "Honey, would you like a glass of this fine red wine? And would You Mind overly much if I fucked you in the ass tonight while choking you and spitting in your face?" If she's any kind of real woman, she'll cotton to the notion. :thumbsup:

Seriously, though, the majority of women that I've been with are receptive to a lot more things than I would have originally thought. All it usually takes is a mature, adult conversation. Just tell her it's something you'd like to try and ask her if she's game.
 
I have the opposite problem with my wife ...

Seriously, though, the majority of women that I've been with are receptive to a lot more things than I would have originally thought. All it usually takes is a mature, adult conversation. Just tell her it's something you'd like to try and ask her if she's game.
I have the opposite problem with my wife.

She is always asking me to be rougher, especially between love making sessions, as well as reminding me during.
As mature as I try to be and listen and say I'm going to try, I have great difficulty committing myself to the physical act.
So are way too forceful and I often find myself scared of hurting her, especially if I'm so excited I'm unaware of the force I put into it.

Sometimes I think my wife says things just to bother me, because she really finds it humorous how I squeam after trying something "overpowering."
Maybe that's a good part of why she asks, because she wants to see how far I'll go with it, and she always knows I'll stop well short.
I make no joke about it, I'm her bitch and she's "the man" when it comes to the "control" in the bedroom.

She likes it when I take initiative and even "play" in the forceful role to keep a little spice going, but she knows the level of "forceful" I go to is tame compared to what she asks me to do.
I still won't choke her against the walk with my penis in her mouth, no matter how much and how tight she makes the fit with her hands pulling my ass in.
Oh well, it's a good laugh for us regardless, especially when I squeam as a result and she just makes total fun of me.
 
I came across a blog post from someone who wrote an essay on the differences between S&M kinds of activities and "rough sex." I thought she did an *excellent* job of explaining some of the psychology behind this concept, and thought I'd share it. The bolded paragraph explains me to the tee, IMO.

You can read the whole thing HERE, but this is the relevant part. I know it is long, but if this subject, and the psychology behind it interests you, it is well worth the read.

Rough Sex

Now, for the purposes of this essay, I am not speaking of rough sex in the “typical sense”. I am fairly certain most people in their life times have done it quick, hard, fast and dirty, which while rougher than perhaps normal, is not what I consider to be “rough sex”. I call that a quickie, or perhaps even sex done at a pace and velocity used to bring about an intense physical sensation and orgasm as soon as possible. To me, rough sex is different. Rough sex in my book is perhaps even “rougher than rough” and bordering on violent. Keep that in mind.

If one were a fly on the wall in the bedroom of rough sex enthusiasts, they would see things that harken to a true state of humans as animals, but animals with the human knowledge of how best to use, press, challenge and enjoy the human body. They would witness sweaty forms entwined is seemingly impossible positions, engaged in a lust fueled frenzy of physically driven fornication. They might witness acts of violence; hair being pulled, faces or breasts or testicles or vaginas or penises being slapped and coarsely handled. They might witness spitting, swearing, partners referring to one another by the most dehumanized, vulgar, insulting terms they can think of. They would witness objectification, eager and frenzied penetration, struggle and fighting and dominance and submission (seemingly willing or not), and people using one another’s bodies as much to pleasure themselves as one another. Even the kissing might appear as though the participants were attempting to devour one another. It might seem selfish, or violent, or crass and crude. It might look dehumanized, and uncivilized, and not in the least romantic. In the end, the participants might be exhausted, or bruised, or marked with scratches and sore. In short, they might very well see the type of sex that people cite as “bad porn”, but perhaps even worse…

So why would anyone engage in this type of sex? Well, that I do have a few thoughts on…

Just as the masochist in S&M seeks to give up control in the bedroom and explore another side of themselves, the rough sex enthusiast seeks to indulge themselves in ways they cannot do in daily life. The rough sex enthusiast sees that in the day-to-day normal world they must be civil and considerate. They must be polite, and able to work with others, perhaps even agreeable. They must be human, and are expected to act as humans do, so when it comes to sex, the last thing they want to be is civilized. They do not want to be a human with thoughts and feelings and concerns or consideration. They want to be animals, or at least live out the human impression of what animalistic is. They are motivated by lust, physical intensity and pleasure, aggressive or submissive, even if that submission only comes after a very real physical defeat. They may enjoy the use of force or the act of using that force. They may enjoy degradation and objectification and anything and everything that makes them feel less than human. They use sex to expend their energy, vent their frustrations, and exhaust their bodies and minds. They do not want to be respectable, they hold a desire to be and act like a “shameless whore” or “greedy bastard”. And while they may lack the costumes and sets and titles and ritual possessed by the S&M enthusiast, the rough sex fan is also seeking to escape from their normal daily persona and explore a side of themselves which while wholly real and in need of attention cannot or does not see much airtime in the normal day. It is not considered acceptable for a woman to admit she likes a violent throat fucking while being called filthy whore or a man to admit he enjoys getting his cock slapped while his partner bites the hell out of his thighs while congregated around the water cooler…It is not accepted to enjoy sex which is perhaps cut off from all emotion save lust and aggression, it is not, in short, acceptable to like or enjoy “hate fucking”, so these “shameful base and beastial pleasures” are exercised in the bedrooms or private parties of rough sex enthusiasts around the world.


Like the S&M fan, the rough sex participant might also seek to challenge themselves to find pleasure in things, or naturally find pleasure in things that many consider extreme; gagging oral, anal, genital/breast slapping, spitting, biting, hair pulling…participants of both genders engage in these activities. It is, at its essence, the very roughness, the very “animalistic feel” of these acts that spurs the participant to do them on many occasions. And like the S&M crowd, the rough sex fan generally demands a level of trust out of their partner and may have even adopted the S&M tradition of the ‘safe word’. Yet still, why would this appeal?

Kelly Wells, a porn star who is rather notorious for the acts she performs in movies, as well as for the level of violence they are done at and the verbal degradation that surrounds them, once said this on the matter. “I do not do anything on film that I do not do in my own bedroom. Yes, it is degrading, and can be uncomfortable, but it comes with its own rush and its own sense of self-affirmation. The part of me who enjoys this is just as much a part of me as any other. I need to do it, because it is on some level who I am.”

Hell yeah, Kelly, I feel you on that one!

And for me, at least, this is true. I get tired of being a human and dealing with humans and trying to mold in with/ live up to/ masquerade as/ societies idea of who and what I am supposed to be. I get sick of being polite, and civil, and considerate. There is a part of me who wants no part of any of that, a greedy, mean, animal part who wants nothing to do with society, or its rules, or its codes of conduct, or its theories on acceptable behavior…but that side is just not conducive to dealing with people or going to dinner with the Significant Others Parents or putting up with traffic or airport security. So, it is via sex that I let this part of me have its say. Because on some level it is who I am.

The S&M participant seeks to throw off the pressure and expectations they face in daily life. The participant of rough sex seeks to throw off humanity and civilization itself, even if only for a little while.

Like everyone, I have a dark side…a side that is selfish and mean and vicious, carnal and horny and crass, a side that is alternately eagerly submissive and whorish or aggressive and hostile. I have a side that is perverse and vile and loves to shame and test and use and be shamed and tested and used. And I am not ashamed to admit it, or exercise it, because on some level, it is who I am…

“People who don’t give their dark side some air time? Those are the guys who end up being serial killers.”
-Al Jorgensen, musician/writer/political activist

Psychologists often define “dangerous behaviors” as those which cause an individual to cease being able to function in society and loose contact/be able to interact with the world and people around them. Anything from drug use, to video games, to sex can become a dangerous behavior. I myself have never been the romantic type; considerate, sweet lovemaking has never interested me. This is not to say my bedroom turns into “wild kingdom” or “fight club” every night, but I have my preferences for rough sex and the occasional bit of S&M. Still, I get up every morning and am happy to be alive and I still enjoy a sunny day at the beach or a night out with friends or just watching a good movie with my partner. If what I engage in is the “dark side of sex”, well then, I enjoy my time on the dark side very much and have no desire to flip on the lights, but I am still functioning in society and connecting with the world around me…even if it is with the occasional sore muscle or bruise. I consent, I do, I enjoy, and then I go interact with my fellow humans perhaps better than I would without my “time away from them and their rules and expectations”…

And if that is “living wrong”, well, I have no desire to live right.

As for the inevitable “reinforcing of negative female stereotypes” thing…well, I have been told before that my love of rough sex (in my bedroom or on film) should not be mentioned because it serves to justify the abuse of women on a grand scale…wait, let me find the direct quote…(which comes from my bold assertion that there are women out there who like both rough sex & rough porn…)
 
Part II of that, since it was too long to post in one reply.

“Miriam (that would be me, aka RenEv) may not be posting anymore, or "her" posts may not be allowed through moderation. Still, I aim this statement at "her":Whether or not it is your intention, certain people who read your comments WILL use them to defend the sex industry as a whole, including the horrors that so many women face. They will use you as that famous example of "I met someone once who said porn was great and women aren't hurt by it". Your story WILL provide ammunition for apologists who defend atrocities against women, and it WILL prompt certain people to entirely dismiss the statistics and the simple truth that for every one of you (women who are safe and happy in the sex industry) there are hundreds of them (women who are exploited, victimised and seriously hurt by their time involved).There are many women who have had positive experiences with the sex industry. Most are aware that they are extremely rare and lucky creatures. Working in the sex industry, at any level, exposes you to those atrocities, and even those women who have not personally suffered them DO see them when exposed to that world.You may have escaped them, but don't do such a disservice to the women who aren't as lucky as you. Every word you've posted here is an attempt to take the attention and the help from them that they need. The ripple effect allows millions of people to pretend they don't exist. Don't be responsible for that.”
-Hexy (who I actually have no problem with, but she did say it…)


To that I say, well, I have never been real keen on shutting up because someone tells me to. I don’t claim to speak for all women and dictate what they like. Nor have I ever denied that bad things happen to women; women in the sex industry, women in their bedrooms, women merely walking down the street, but that is not going to shut me up, or change my mind. I speak for me and say what I like, and oddly enough, I hear other women agreeing with me and saying they like the same thing. So, sometimes I speak for “some women”, myself and those who agree with me. But I am not going to sit back silently and deny what I like (and my right to like it) because someone who does not agree with me tells me too…nah, that won’t be happening. I am not now, nor have I ever, condoned anyone using my words or actions nor those of any other woman, porn film, book, news report, or graphic rap song to justify the non-consensual mistreatment or abuse of women, or the raping or coercion of women, in any way. I do not “enable” anyone to do anything to anyone else; I only have the ability to allow people to do things to me. It’s that easy. The bad actions of others belong to them, not to me, and me liking rough sex and speaking out about it? I am not the one making them sick in the first place. Also, I have come to know that there are a lot of women who like the same things (at least some of them) that I do, and are happy to hear another woman say it, because then they no longer feel alone or shamed for liking what they like, and that I cannot see as a bad thing. If what I do is sick, well, then I have no desire to be healthy.

And now a final note on the politics of sex…often, it seems, some radical feminists point out that sex itself is geared towards male dominance because ‘penis enters vagina’. Perhaps to level the playing field, it is time women start thinking ‘vagina engulfs penis’ just as often.
 
Caitlain, I don't think we could agree more on this subject.

And you live in Florida, too? You must be awesome! :glugglug:
 
"Rough Sex" is such a relative term...as I discovered. My first said she liked "rough sex"...we only had sex a few times, but she loved having her hair pulled, etc.

My fiance, when we first started talking about having sex, said she liked rough sex as well. After we made love the first time...the second go-round I pulled her hair and stuff....BAD IDEA. She actually got frightened and told me not to act like that again. To my fiance..."rough sex" is a lot of grinding...not "in and out" sex...when I get my manhood inside her, to go deep and then grind it inside her...definitely NOT the same thing as my first!
 
just talk about it and experiment!!
my ex loved hard sex.
hairpulling, dirty talk, spitting, choking, hitting her (even in the face, no fists ofcourse)
hard anal pounding, she even liked fisting herself, not my fist, at least not entierly, because that was a little to big.
she even liked licking my sperm of a table or plate or whatever.
she was a realy dirty whore!! realy miss those days!
 
just talk about it and experiment!!
my ex loved hard sex.
hairpulling, dirty talk, spitting, choking, hitting her (even in the face, no fists ofcourse)
hard anal pounding, she even liked fisting herself, not my fist, at least not entierly, because that was a little to big.
she even liked licking my sperm of a table or plate or whatever.
she was a realy dirty whore!! realy miss those days!

good lord, what a sexpot!:thumbsup:
 

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talk about it with your partner. I have met two german girls some years ago who liked to be fucked in the ass very hard. They told me that anal sex was something they loved rough so I took the opportunity to give them their wanted pleasure.
 
LMAO! Guys can be so dumb! You don't have to guess, you can ASK! Just say "do you like when I...". But don't assume that just becasue we like it rough sometimes we like it rough ALL the time.
 
it depends on the girl

sometimes my girl just wants to take it easy, but generally she does whatever i want, and she like it rough and hard most of the time

i can spank her ass, grab her hair, fling her round to what position i want

its great

but she ain't that good at bjs... ah well, can't have everything
 
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