Right-Wing Says You'll Die If Health Care Passes

[Facetious]

Want to survive for the long haul ?
I hate to break it to you but nobody gets a free ride.

"Fuck the next generation anyway ! I don't have any children, so fuck 'em ! I don't have to worry about it ! As long as the free services hold out while I'm alive, all's cool."

.... is the pervasive attitude that I'm seeing,

Sad.

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Envy & Societal Breakdown is the opiate of the communistic minded "messes"

 

[CH3NO2]

Interesting article despite the emotive & deliberately alarmist statement that they are being "killed off".

Are they not being killed off by the Govt deliberately not providing needed care?

 

[mrtrebus]

Are they not being killed off by the Govt deliberately not providing needed care?

No they are not being killed off by the govt deliberately not providing needed care.

 

[CH3NO2]

No they are not being killed off by the govt deliberately not providing needed care.

You need to reread the article.

 

[CH3NO2]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1229567/posts

Great Article on the subject written in 2004

 

[Friday on my mind]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1229567/posts

Great Article on the subject written in 2004

And you complain about my links and bias lol.

 

[Facetious]

Well, in order for me to maintain my ability to remain as a greedy self supporting, self interest only human being, one who also must pay the fares of those who don't try to succeed because of laziness and / or an extreme left leaning ideology that opposes employment, I have to get back to WORK now. :o


I'm not going away mad, mind you, I'm just going away.

 

[jasonk282]

11% of weekly earnings (if earning between £110 - £884) a week are deducted in National Insurance contributions. These funds are used not just for the NHS but things like State Pensions, Incapacity Benefit, Maternity Allowance, Jobseekers Allowance etc.
From these contributions an allocation is made towards the NHS of 2.05% of the first slice of eligible earnings from employees.

So if you get paid every 2 weeks then they take out 22% or almost a quarter of your paycheck to pay for these programs

 

[CH3NO2]

And you complain about my links and bias lol.

You site Wikipedia as Fact, this is merely the opinion of one man on the subject.

 

[Rey C.]

So if you get paid every 2 weeks then they take out 22% or almost a quarter of your paycheck to pay for these programs

11% of weekly earnings is going to translate to 11% of monthly or yearly earnings. How often you get paid doesn't affect the rate. 11% is 11%. Just like your federal withholding now.

 

[CH3NO2]

Why do people think the US Government can run this effectively? Really? I mean this as a serious question and this is the root of why I don't want Socialized medicine.

I have no faith they can. Why do people put faith in the Govt to run anything. They have a proven track record of doing just the opposite.

 

[Rey C.]

Are they not being killed off by the Govt deliberately not providing needed care?

So if I'm following your logic, people are being killed off by insurance companies when they reach their lifetime caps, or they require a type of treatment that is not covered?

Just a question, as I don't understand that way of thinking.

 

[CH3NO2]

So if I'm following your logic, people are being killed off by insurance companies when they reach their lifetime caps, or they require a type of treatment that is not covered?

Just a question, as I don't understand that way of thinking.

No the UK govt denied certain end of life care not Insurance companies.

 

[Friday on my mind]

11% of weekly earnings is going to translate to 11% of monthly or yearly earnings. How often you get paid doesn't affect the rate. 11% is 11%. Just like your federal withholding now.

Yep 11% is 11 %.

For Jason I would say I already have told ya we in the US spend double per capita what countries like england, france and canada do on health care.Google it if you don't beleive me.

Double per capita means we spend double per every man women and child in the us then they do per man women and child in those countries.Now in the US we know that some people are not paying in (don't have insurance) eithier because they don't think they need it or can't afford it.So that means the people in the US who do pay in (have insurance they pay for) are paying way more per person then the people would in for example England where everyone is in their "universal system".

How is our system and costs defensible?

 

[Rey C.]

No the UK govt denied certain end of life care not Insurance companies.

Yes, I understand that. But what I'm asking is, wouldn't that same logic be applied to the exact same scenario when it's an insurance company? And if not, why not?

 

[Friday on my mind]

Yes, I understand that. But what I'm asking is, wouldn't that same logic be applied to the exact same scenario when it's an insurance company? And if not, why not?

And for sure that has happened here.It was shown in "Sicko".But I know Michale Moore is lying.:1orglaugh

 

[Baill Inneraora]

Don't they teach math in the military?

 

[Rey C.]

And for sure that has happened here.It was shown in "Sicko".But I know Michale Moore is lying.:1orglaugh

Oh, I know it's happened here. It happened to a woman at one of my former companies. She reached her lifetime cap, and that was that - she was no longer covered. She died from the cancer and her husband later declared bankruptcy. It's not that uncommon.

So, using this fellow's logic, did the insurance company "kill her off"???

 

[Jagger69]

11% of weekly earnings (if earning between £110 - £884) a week are deducted in National Insurance contributions. These funds are used not just for the NHS but things like State Pensions, Incapacity Benefit, Maternity Allowance, Jobseekers Allowance etc.
From these contributions an allocation is made towards the NHS of 2.05% of the first slice of eligible earnings from employees.

11%? Let's see....if I'm making, say, $75,000 a year, that's $687.50 per month. I just did a quick online estimate for an independent policy for a family of 4 making that type of money through Cigna. The monthly premium is $682.00 and included marginal coverage at best ($30 copay for doctor visits, $10,000 annual out-of-pocket limitation for hospitalization (a hit like that alone could wipe some people out and then some), a ton of annual deductibles for damn-near everything, exclusions for pre-existing conditions, on and on).

So.....for $5 a month more, I could have comprehensive coverage? Five fucking dollars?

The only people I can see defending the existing health care system are either people who already have some sweetheart insurance program (government-subsidized or totally funded in all probability just like my aforementioned asshole Congressman Gohmert of Texas) or those who might be benefiting financially in some way from it.

If the Brits can do it, why can't we?

Don't they teach math in the military?

If you use his calculator, by the 52nd week of the year, they're taking 572% of my paycheck!!! There's the catch!!!

:1orglaugh

 

[CH3NO2]

Why do people think the US Government can run this effectively? Really? I mean this as a serious question and this is the root of why I don't want Socialized medicine.

I have no faith they can. Why do people put faith in the Govt to run anything. They have a proven track record of doing just the opposite.

Any of you pro socialized medicine guys want to answer my question?

Bueller Bueller, Anyone?