Big vote taking place today in Michigan. Where do you stand on that issue?
Right To Work State or, not?
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Will E Worm
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I don't remember seeing the right to work in the Constitution.
We have the right to pursue happiness, not the right to happiness.
However, there does need to be some regulations to make sure employers treat people like humans.
I do support unions when they are doing the right things. Not like the Unions did at Hostess.
We have the right to pursue happiness, not the right to happiness.
However, there does need to be some regulations to make sure employers treat people like humans.
I do support unions when they are doing the right things. Not like the Unions did at Hostess.
"Right To Work" is the worst of Orwellian doublespeak terms in US politics. It's really "Right to be fired for no valid reason" & "Right to work for low wages"! 7 of the 10 poorest states are "Right To Work", 9 of 10 richest states are not! Right To Work has done more to undermine the middle class in this country than anything else.
I don't think so.
Right to work states out performed ****** union states in job creation
Job creation in Ohio lagged far behind all 22 workplace freedom states from 1991 to 2011, according to U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) records. Without cherry-picking data as union bosses must in order to defend ****** unionism, total seasonally adjusted non-**** employment growth shows a huge advantage for residents of right to work states.
With the exception of Indiana, which ****** a right to work law in February 2012, Ohio and each of its neighbors – Michigan, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Kentucky – allow unions to ***** workers to pay dues as a condition of employment.
During the two decades from 1991-2011, no workplace freedom state had a lower job creation rate than Pennsylvania, Ohio, or Michigan.
Of the 22 states which protected the right of employees in unionized workplaces to choose whether to pay a union boss, 17 had job growth rates better than Ohio and all five of Ohio’s ******-unionism neighbors.
While varying demographics, geography, and innumerable government regulations affect businesses’ ability to create new jobs, the past 20 years have been marked by anemic growth in Ohio compared to every workplace freedom state.
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Voters in the ****** union states need to change their laws or see themselves fall further behind the red states who opt for freedom. Under Gov. Kasich, Ohio is doing better because he has removed barriers to development of shale oil and gas in the states. But that alone will not solve the problem of manufacturing jobs leaving for states where people have more economic feedom and are not ****** to subsidize the lifestyle of union bosses.
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Screw the man long live the revolution......
It's official....
Michigan’s “Stunning” Move Toward Freedom
On December 11, 2012, By NRTW Committee Staff
National political columnist Rich Lowry calls the developments in Michigan “stunning” while explaining how Indiana, since their enactment of a Right to Work law, has created 43,300 jobs while Michigan was losing jobs.
It was the advent of an era of industrial unionization that may be coming to a symbolic end in the same place it started. Michigan is on the verge of passing the kind of “right to work” law that is anathema to unions everywhere and is associated with the red states of the Sun Belt, not the blue states of the Rust Belt.
To say that such a development is stunning is almost an understatement. Michigan is to unionization what Florida is to sand, Texas is to oil, and Alaska is to grizzly bears.
The union model hasn’t just been central to its economy, but to its very identity.
Michigan was undergoing a real-world experiment in the merits of ****** unionization versus right-to-work after neighboring Indiana adopted a right-to-work law earlier this year, the first Rust Belt state to do so. The early returns weren’t encouraging.
Indiana added 43,300 jobs — 13,900 of them in manufacturing — while Michigan shed 7,300 jobs. Michigan governor Rick Snyder, a Republican reformer but not a bomb thrower, says seeing 90 companies from around the country decide to settle in Indiana after the labor change influenced his willingness to sign a bill doing the same thing.
One study, by a University of Minnesota economist, looked at states bordering one another with and without right-to-work laws. It found “an abrupt change” when crossing the border into a right-to-work state, and “that manufacturing’s share of total employment increases about one-third.” Michigan had already been losing out to right-to-work states without having one on its border.
Shikha Dalmia of Reason magazine points out that, with the exception of a brief foray by Mazda, no foreign automaker has set up shop in Michigan, despite the state’s pool of experienced autoworkers.
Election Day in Michigan brought a stark illustration of the declining political power of the unions when they failed to pass an amendment to the state’s constitution banning right-to-work. More Michiganders voted “no” on the amendment than voted for President Barack Obama.
The failure emboldened the Republican-held legislature to push ahead on a right-to-work measure that may soon be on Governor Snyder’s desk.
The unions so fear right-to-work laws because mandatory dues are such a boon to them. There’s nothing like ******* people to belong to your organization to boost the membership rolls and the treasury.
In one month in 2011 after Governor Scott Walker ended mandatory dues for public-sector unions in Wisconsin, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees shed half its members, according to The Wall Street Journal.
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Michigan’s “Stunning” Move Toward Freedom
On December 11, 2012, By NRTW Committee Staff
National political columnist Rich Lowry calls the developments in Michigan “stunning” while explaining how Indiana, since their enactment of a Right to Work law, has created 43,300 jobs while Michigan was losing jobs.
It was the advent of an era of industrial unionization that may be coming to a symbolic end in the same place it started. Michigan is on the verge of passing the kind of “right to work” law that is anathema to unions everywhere and is associated with the red states of the Sun Belt, not the blue states of the Rust Belt.
To say that such a development is stunning is almost an understatement. Michigan is to unionization what Florida is to sand, Texas is to oil, and Alaska is to grizzly bears.
The union model hasn’t just been central to its economy, but to its very identity.
Michigan was undergoing a real-world experiment in the merits of ****** unionization versus right-to-work after neighboring Indiana adopted a right-to-work law earlier this year, the first Rust Belt state to do so. The early returns weren’t encouraging.
Indiana added 43,300 jobs — 13,900 of them in manufacturing — while Michigan shed 7,300 jobs. Michigan governor Rick Snyder, a Republican reformer but not a bomb thrower, says seeing 90 companies from around the country decide to settle in Indiana after the labor change influenced his willingness to sign a bill doing the same thing.
One study, by a University of Minnesota economist, looked at states bordering one another with and without right-to-work laws. It found “an abrupt change” when crossing the border into a right-to-work state, and “that manufacturing’s share of total employment increases about one-third.” Michigan had already been losing out to right-to-work states without having one on its border.
Shikha Dalmia of Reason magazine points out that, with the exception of a brief foray by Mazda, no foreign automaker has set up shop in Michigan, despite the state’s pool of experienced autoworkers.
Election Day in Michigan brought a stark illustration of the declining political power of the unions when they failed to pass an amendment to the state’s constitution banning right-to-work. More Michiganders voted “no” on the amendment than voted for President Barack Obama.
The failure emboldened the Republican-held legislature to push ahead on a right-to-work measure that may soon be on Governor Snyder’s desk.
The unions so fear right-to-work laws because mandatory dues are such a boon to them. There’s nothing like ******* people to belong to your organization to boost the membership rolls and the treasury.
In one month in 2011 after Governor Scott Walker ended mandatory dues for public-sector unions in Wisconsin, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees shed half its members, according to The Wall Street Journal.
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Sickening... just totally sickening!
Michigan Becomes Right to Work State, Unions React With ********
A state that has been economically crippled by unions for years finally puts up some resistance:
The Michigan Legislature gave final approval Tuesday to a bitterly contested right-to-work plan limiting the power of unions, a devastating and once unthinkable defeat for organized labor in a state considered a cradle of the movement.
Unswayed by Democrats’ pleas and thousands of protesters inside and outside the state Capitol, the House approved two final bills, sending them on to Republican Gov. Rick Snyder. One dealt with private sector workers, the other with government employees.
Unions will no longer be able to ***** those who want no part of them to pay dues as a condition of employment.
Neither unions nor the party that represents them was likely to take this challenge to their power lying down. Before the vote, Democrat State representative Douglas Geiss snarled,
“There will be *****, there will be repercussions.”
A tent set up on the lawn of the Michigan State Capitol by Americans for Prosperity was attacked by union thugs and torn to the ground. Steven Crowder was on hand to receive a death threat following this sucker punch:
This!
moonbattery.com
Michigan Becomes Right to Work State, Unions React With ********
A state that has been economically crippled by unions for years finally puts up some resistance:
The Michigan Legislature gave final approval Tuesday to a bitterly contested right-to-work plan limiting the power of unions, a devastating and once unthinkable defeat for organized labor in a state considered a cradle of the movement.
Unswayed by Democrats’ pleas and thousands of protesters inside and outside the state Capitol, the House approved two final bills, sending them on to Republican Gov. Rick Snyder. One dealt with private sector workers, the other with government employees.
Unions will no longer be able to ***** those who want no part of them to pay dues as a condition of employment.
Neither unions nor the party that represents them was likely to take this challenge to their power lying down. Before the vote, Democrat State representative Douglas Geiss snarled,
“There will be *****, there will be repercussions.”
A tent set up on the lawn of the Michigan State Capitol by Americans for Prosperity was attacked by union thugs and torn to the ground. Steven Crowder was on hand to receive a death threat following this sucker punch:
This!
moonbattery.com
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Here in the UK the "right to work" is a classical phrase used by the left.
I think Sam is therefore a secret Obama loving commie.
I think Sam is therefore a secret Obama loving commie.
As someone who lives here and was a witness to the event, let me tell you that there was baiting going on for both sides. Of course unions are upset, they don't want to lose revenue. No matter what anybody says, it's about money. Nothing more, nothing less. I have worked both Union and Non-Union jobs and there isn't really much difference. In my experience, wages have been better in non-union jobs and benefits have been slightly better in union jobs.
All this legislation does is give workers a choice on whether to join a union or not intead of it being mandatory right?
So what's the problem?
I thought choice was good.
Or does that only apply to aborting fetuses?
Fuck you all.
So what's the problem?
I thought choice was good.
Or does that only apply to aborting fetuses?
Fuck you all.
I see the inefficiencies of labor unions. Right to work does negatively affect the union's ability in collective bargaining.
I do think that unions need to streamline and take a more holistic view. However, I would not want to see them put in a position that they are powerless or simply dissolve.
There is a reality to corporations, since they control profit (and loss), having the power. Workers can be put in a very unfair place. A market as free as possible does help ensure the creation of wealth. Unions ideally help ensure that workers are fairly compensated.
I think choice is good and my concern is keeping a balance of power. Historically it can lead to ******** if the balance shifts to an extreme.
I do think that unions need to streamline and take a more holistic view. However, I would not want to see them put in a position that they are powerless or simply dissolve.
There is a reality to corporations, since they control profit (and loss), having the power. Workers can be put in a very unfair place. A market as free as possible does help ensure the creation of wealth. Unions ideally help ensure that workers are fairly compensated.
I think choice is good and my concern is keeping a balance of power. Historically it can lead to ******** if the balance shifts to an extreme.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Right-to-work = more jobs at lower wages and fewer benefits
Union mandate = fewer jobs at higher wages and more benefits
Gotta choose what you want. I don't want unions dissolved by any stretch but the pendulum has swung too far in many instances. If collective-bargaining rights were universal there would likely be no need for unions since federal labor laws have undone virtually all of the employer ****** that existed back in the old "sweat shop" days near the turn of the 20th century.
Union mandate = fewer jobs at higher wages and more benefits
Gotta choose what you want. I don't want unions dissolved by any stretch but the pendulum has swung too far in many instances. If collective-bargaining rights were universal there would likely be no need for unions since federal labor laws have undone virtually all of the employer ****** that existed back in the old "sweat shop" days near the turn of the 20th century.
Bull! They can go down south. Cheap foreign labor and exchange rates have more to do with losing jobs here.
Of course they can. They can also pay a decent wage, but they won't.
Will E Worm
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Bring back employers so they can walk all over their employees?
People need some protections and regulations to make sure they are treated fairly.
Unions should be politically neutral and only work for the people they represent.
And their should be a vote of the people before laws of this magnitude are put into effect. This country is supposed to be about people not corporations.
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