Respect the girls of porn!

[Danizingo]

Oh, I don't know...maybe this statement?

"Anyway, tell me, if you enjoy them taking these actions (i.e., having sex on film) (do you?), how can you not respect these actions? Or do you not respect your own "action" of enjoying it?"

I said: IF you enjoy ... these actions (i.e. WHATEVER actions YOU enjoy which fall under the heading "having sex on film"), how can you not respect these actions...

And your answers could be (1) that you respect only the actions that you happen to enjoy - which I would find rather odd (I mean, what does your particular taste in porn have to do with whether or not porn actresses deserve respect?), or (2) that you do not respect these actions (which was what I asked about, and which (IF SO) made me wonder if you respected your own action of enjoying it, and how you thought about that in relation to disrespecting the actions that you enjoy, or (3) that you respect (all, most, some) of the possible actions of porn actresses, or (4-?) .... ?

In any case, the whole point was about separating respect for actions from respect for persons. Even if there plausibly are connections between them, the two are not the same, and here we are talking about respect for persons. And it seems to me that at least as long as a porn actress does not directly or intentionally harm others, her actions do not disqualify her from deserving the respect that sound human beings should show each other (even if some of us do not personally like what some of other people do, and even if what these other people do is to some extent questionable from some perspective or other... I mean... I think that lots of people - such as politicians, businessmen and so on - often do things they shouldn't do, but most of the time these things are of a kind that does not make these people lose my respect as humans, even if I disagree with them and may argue that they are wrong).

 

[ChefChiTown]

This thread is about "shoulds"... (not "have-to:s")

The point he was making is that not respecting porn stars, but whacking off to them, is hypocritical, as if we have to respect somebody if we beat our cocks around to their picture.

Good point! And I think it is the usual way to look on respect. Every human being (and perhaps other beings as well) deserve respect, at least until they do something to lose it...

Here's a question...

You say that everybody deserves respect until they do something to lose it. Why should everybody have respect in the first place?

And, to flip your comment around to take a look at the other side of the scenario, why should people have to do something to lose respect, but not to gain it in the first place?

:dunno:

 

[Danizingo]

The point he was making is that not respecting porn stars, but whacking off to them, is hypocritical, as if we have to respect somebody if we beat our cocks around to their picture.



Here's a question...

You say that everybody deserves respect until they do something to lose it. Why should everybody have respect in the first place?

And, to flip your comment around to take a look at the other side of the scenario, why should people have to do something to lose respect, but not to gain it in the first place?

:dunno:

I think we ought to respect other human beings because they possess certain qualities (such as the abilities to think and feel/sense... but plausibly more) in virtue of which we have reason to respect them... (there is not room to spell out my view on reasons here, but I believe humans have reasons; also reasons to do certain things and to adopt certain attitudes - such as respect towards other humans)

I wrote "at least" until they do something to lose respect. I actually believe that even the worst criminals deserve SOME respect - the respect that comes with being a thinking feeling subject. This means that we should not treat them in any manner, even if we should punnish them for their crimes. I know that many (perhaps most) will disagree with me on this point, but the view follows from my views on morals and persons. That being said, I think there is an important difference between the two "sides of the scenario": On my view, the qualities in virtue of which humans deserve respect (usually) come together with being a human (i.e., when you are born as a human, you are (usually) also born as a thinking feeling (and so on) subject). The properties in virtue of which you deserve disrespect (as your examples with rapists etc. show) are properties that you come to have because of what you do - a rapist is a rapist in virtue of having raped someone. Surely, you can do things to earn respect too - good things - and I certainly respect some people more than I respect others... When a person does horrible things (such as raping), then the reasons to disrespect the person outweigh the reasons to respect him... and I also think we are dealing with two slightly different notions of respect here.

 

[Danizingo]

Just want to add that the actions of "porn stars", even if some of them may be thought of as bad in some respect, are far from the actions in virtue of which various "criminals" come to deserve disrespect...

 

[ChefChiTown]

I actually believe that even the worst criminals deserve SOME respect - the respect that comes with being a thinking feeling subject. This means that we should not treat them in any manner, even if we should punnish them for their crimes.

So, if somebody walked into your home and brutally murdered your wife and kids, you would still respect them?

:dunno:

 

[Danizingo]

So, if somebody walked into your home and brutally murdered your wife and kids, you would still respect them?

:dunno:

Probably not! But that is a psychological fact. Now that this has not happened I think that such a person still would deserve respect in a certain sense (for instance, I am against death penalty, and against disrespectful treatment of convicted criminals)... and I hope that I would come to think so at some point even after such a horrible thing as the one you describe (but I too doubt it). In any case, I think our judgements are more reliable when we are not affected by such "extreme" events - so I don't think victims of crimes should state the laws... And, again, I would ALSO disrespect the person a lot, and I believe that he or she would deserve it (bacause of what he or she has done). I think the person would deserve a lot more disrespect than respect. But, as I said, I think these are two different notions of respect...

I do not see how porn actresses would fit into a comparison with the murderer... they deserve the respect that anyone deserves, because as far as being "porn stars" is concerned I don't think they have done anything to lose it. I don't think there is anything wrong with even the most filthiest sex as long as it is between concenting adults (the view that there is I regard as sheer puritanism). And if someone is not consenting in a porn movie, it is a porn star, so if something wrong is beeing done, she is not (normally) the one doing it. [One may think that it is wrong to produce and sell porn, but then the porn actresses are not the first to be blamed. They are employed (of course, sometimes they are also producers...), so blaming them would be something like blaming the workers at some huge company for the environmental pollution caused by that company... If producing and selling porn were wrong, then perhaps the porn actresses should get some small amount of blame for being part of it, but so should the consumers of porn (we?) (just like the consumers of products destroying the environment should be blamed). In any case, all this is far from the disrespect for "the girls of porn" that you sometimes see, and that made me start this thread... This disrespect has nothing to do with the view just described... Those holding the view that selling and producing porn is wrong usually stay away from sites such as this one...]

 

[ChefChiTown]

Probably not! But that is a psychological fact. Now that this has not happened I think that such a person still would deserve respect in a certain sense (for instance, I am against death penalty, and against disrespectful treatment of convicted criminals)... and I hope that I would come to think so at some point even after such a horrible thing as the one you describe (but I too doubt it). In any case, I think our judgements are more reliable when we are not affected by such "extreme" events - so I don't think victims of crimes should state the laws... And, again, I would ALSO disrespect the person a lot, and I believe that he or she would deserve it (bacause of what he or she has done). I think the person would deserve a lot more disrespect than respect. But, as I said, I think these are two different notions of respect...

I do not see how porn actresses would fit into a comparison with the murderer... they deserve the respect that anyone deserves, because as far as being "porn stars" is concerned I don't think they have done anything to lose it. I don't think there is anything wrong with even the most filthiest sex as long as it is between concenting adults (the view that there is I regard as sheer puritanism). And if someone is not consenting in a porn movie, it is a porn star, so if something wrong is beeing done, she is not (normally) the one doing it. [One may think that it is wrong to produce and sell porn, but then the porn actresses are not the first to be blamed. They are employed (of course, sometimes they are also producers...), so blaming them would be something like blaming the workers at some huge company for the environmental pollution caused by that company... If producing and selling porn were wrong, then perhaps the porn actresses should get some small amount of blame for being part of it, but so should the consumers of porn (we?) (just like the consumers of products destroying the environment should be blamed). In any case, all this is far from the disrespect for "the girls of porn" that you sometimes see, and that made me start this thread... This disrespect has nothing to do with the view just described... Those holding the view that selling and producing porn is wrong usually stay away from sites such as this one...]

Who's comparing porn stars to murderers here? :dunno:

Personally, I only respect people who deserve it. How am I supposed to respect someone, based on the fact that they fuck on camera for a living, not knowing anything else about them?

Do I disrespect porn stars for what they do? No.
Do I respect porn stars for what they do? No.

 

[Danizingo]

Who's comparing porn stars to murderers here? :dunno:

I certainly didn't mean to say that you are comparing them... I mean that if (as I think) everyone deserve respect "to start with", then the actions that one has to do in order to "lose" it are far from the actions of porn stars. And some posts on this thread (not yours) suggest that some actions of porn actresses are such that they give us reason to disrespect them.

Personally, I only respect people who deserve it.

Ok... that's your view, and I respect it.

How am I supposed to respect someone, based on the fact that they fuck on camera for a living, not knowing anything else about them?

I don't respect porn stars BECAUSE they fuck on camera either... but I still respect them, because they are human beings and so on and yada yada...

Do I disrespect porn stars for what they do? No.

Ok... I think something like this was what I first and foremost wanted to say when I started this thread, so as long as we don't disagree about that, I don't think we disagree on anything really important (as far as this issue is concerned).

Do I respect porn stars for what they do? No.

Me neither, but I respect them as humans...

 

[Analingus]

So, if somebody walked into your home and brutally murdered your wife and kids, you would still respect them?

:dunno:

Learn what respect is as compared to whats right.

 

[wigster]

I only respect people if they deserve it

 

[Danizingo]

Perhaps I should have made my original statement in terms of 'disrespect', instead of 'respect', because what troubled me was the quite common disrespectful attitude towards "the girls of porn". As long as people do not disrespect them, they need not actively respect them either...

 

[Danizingo]

R e s p e c t !

 

[Smallville417]

I have a lot of respect for woman in porn. They give me a ton of pleasure from what they do, and it would be wrong of me to demean them for what they do.

I've never felt like I could date someone in porn, because of huge trust issues, and my love of committment, but it doesn't keep me from respecting them. Beautiful woman who love sex, I think that's great.

 

[SN4P3]

:glugglug:

 

[jothegoon]

Respect the girls of porn:thumbsup:

 

[Danizingo]

:glugglug:

 

[Afficial_Nastee]

I respect them so much I'm willing to get a tattoo of one of my favourite porn chicks!!!!

 

[om3ga]

Respect the girls of porn:thumbsup:

Likewise...:glugglug:

 

[Danizingo]

I respect them so much I'm willing to get a tattoo of one of my favourite porn chicks!!!!

Cool!

 

[titsrock]

If we respect girls who do porn, can we also respect girls who get boob implants?