Sure!!! It's their choice! Or so I would say...
I mean, one might dislike it for some reason or other... but why not respect them?
Sure!!! It's their choice! Or so I would say...
I mean, one might dislike it for some reason or other... but why not respect them?
What has respect got to do with anything?
You like porn, you don't like porn
You watch porn, you don't watch porn
Why do we need to respect or disrespect anyone for doing anything in this world? Especially people we don't know personally.
People exist in the world and do their own thing, end of.
None of it is literally forced upon us to watch or read about, we choose to seek them out and then question them either positively or negatively. they may ask for our opinions and critisms, they may not. But we don't have to do anything, if we don't want to. And that includes choosing to repect someone.
I neither repect or disrespect these people because I'm simply not bothered.
Sure I like porn and enjoy their work, they are probably, for the most part cool people, but again where does respect come in to it?
You like porn, you don't like porn
You watch porn, you don't watch porn
Why do we need to respect or disrespect anyone for doing anything in this world? Especially people we don't know personally.
People exist in the world and do their own thing, end of.
None of it is literally forced upon us to watch or read about, we choose to seek them out and then question them either positively or negatively. they may ask for our opinions and critisms, they may not. But we don't have to do anything, if we don't want to. And that includes choosing to repect someone.
I neither repect or disrespect these people because I'm simply not bothered.
Sure I like porn and enjoy their work, they are probably, for the most part cool people, but again where does respect come in to it?
I wish people respected each other more in general, you wouldn't have a lot of the problems we do. I treat everyone with respect unless I have a specific (and valid) reason not too.
Agreed! :glugglug:
I don't think we should respect someone if they are a pornstar. No, I don't quite mean it like that. We should respect someone because they deserve our respect. There are good respectable pornstars, and I'm sure there are some real pricks/bitches in the business. The same could go for any profession. Police officers, lawyers, teachers, etc. I think the real issue is that a lot of people look at a pornstar as a second class citizen, as someone who is shameful. Personally, I see nothing wrong with being in the adult industry, whether it's in front or behind the camera. And it seems to me, at least here in the States, that sex/porn is still viewed as taboo. Americans aren't as open about sex as our friends are overseas. I wish we could be a little more open about sex/porn/masturbation, while protecting it from our kids of course. Though it is getting better. I mean look at the popularity of Jenna Jameson, Ron Jeremy, Katie Morgan, Sasha Grey, and Traci Lords for example. They are getting more and more involved in mainstream entertainment.
Sorry, I guess I went off on a little rant there. And :glugglug: to the good people of the porn industry!
Sorry, I guess I went off on a little rant there.
And :glugglug: to the good people of the porn industry!
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
This is an interesting thread. But I quoted that part because I'm not sure that it really fits with some of what came later... or maybe it does.
My own personal feeling is that whatever two (or more) consenting adults do, is their business. I'm really not sure what respect has to do with it, to be honest. I mean, other than to say, "I respect any and all members of the human race." :dunno:But back to what I quoted, that kind of confuses me: there are people who do those things (and much more) in real life too. I watched a show which featured Satine Phoenix the other day. Now there was a girl who made me feel "vanilla" - and I'm pretty open in my beliefs, so that ain't easy. But in her case, much of what you see on screen, Satine also does in her personal life. Is that supposed to affect this concept of "respect" that's being talked about here? And what if it's just a girl-next-door secretary, who happens to have a kinky streak? Is there something wrong (or disrespectful) with her or her partner if she gets off on being called a slut or whore in the bedroom, having her ass slapped or her hair pulled? Does that affect the level of respect that's due her... or her partner? BTW, why have the guys in porn been left out of this?
It's a nice thread. And I know that you mean well. But since I was in college when the whole concept of political correctness came about (using certain words and avoiding certain others... simply for reasons of perceived connotations, especially when it involves certain groups of people), I'm a little wary when things like this come up.
When it comes to my fellow homo sapiens, I'm generally pretty neutral. To each his own, says I. I don't like, dislike, respect or disrespect most people until I have a reason to pick a side. I'm pretty much a live & let live kind of person. You can be a porn star and that's cool with me - if you're good and I like the way you look and perform, I might even buy your material (which is really what you want anyway - you can't pay your rent on my respect, now can ya?). Maybe I'll even interact with you, here or through your site. I'm not looking for a "girlfriend experience" and I don't figure you're running a site to find a boyfriend. Most of my work is internet based, so I'm used to communicating with people I'll never meet or see in "real life." But I might learn something about you, or you about me, that would cause us to develop a mutual respect for one another. And on the opposite end, you can be a holy roller, speak in tongues and handle snakes where you go to church. That's cool with me too. I won't be attending church with you, but what you do is your business.
I apologize that I'm taking the long way around the barn to get to my main point. But the concept of respect means different things to different people. If you're watching a girl performing a sex act, and you're getting turned on by the fact that she has big boobs, a nice ass and a cum-fuck-me look about her, I think you'd have a VERY hard time convincing a member of N.O.W. or the Concerned Women for America that you really respect that girl... while you're sitting there with your johnson in your hand. :eek: The fact that you're not referring to her as a whore, a slut or a bitch, I just don't believe would help you win that argument... not with a Patricia Ireland type anyway.
So I'm not saying that you're right or wrong. But given the topic, I just don't see that it would be seen as a completely logical argument by a good portion of society... especially those in feminist or religious quarters. :dunno:
Still, an interesting thread though. :hatsoff:
I think this is about what I am after :glugglug:
(my point was rather: don't disrespect people just because they are in porn (or anything else); don't look down on them and use disrespectful language and so on... I raised the issue in the case of porn because one often finds disrespectful attitudes towards girls in the porn business (even from, and perhaps in particular from, people who enjoy watching porn))
This is an interesting thread. But I quoted that part because I'm not sure that it really fits with some of what came later... or maybe it does.
Well that's the point, I think: "respect all members of the human race". You don't see so many other members of the human race disrespected just because of their proffession... People (often those who enjoy porn) often seem to disrespect the girls they like watching. But these girls deserve the same respect as others. So the point is not pointless/empty; it is important to raise in the case of porn because here people get disrespected even though they don't deserve it (as I've explained in many posts here, my concern is rather with disrespect than with respect).
I don't really get this. I am talking about what people deserve! Surely, "the secretary" does not deserve to be spanked, spitted and pissed on (or would you say that?). Of course, if she likes these things done to her occasionally, that's her business and I have no probs with that, but that was obviously not my point! There's all the difference in the world between what people happen to like and what they deserve... (sometimes they deserve what they like, but that's a different story)...
Well, the disrespectful attitude/language and so on (to which you also refer further down) is often from guys towards girls... so that is where I thought we might have a problem... but of course... we should not disrespect guys for no valid reason either!
Thanx!
I think my previous posts reveal pretty well what I intend to mean...
If you're watching a girl performing a sex act, and you're getting turned on by the fact that she has big boobs, a nice ass and a cum-fuck-me look about her, I think you'd have a VERY hard time convincing a member of N.O.W. or the Concerned Women for America that you really respect that girl... while you're sitting there with your johnson in your hand. :eek: The fact that you're not referring to her as a whore, a slut or a bitch, I just don't believe would help you win that argument... not with a Patricia Ireland type anyway.
True! But they don't visit this forum (or do they?
)... I think I've made clear enough what concept of respect I am referring to. If others mean other things, that's fine... it's just not what I'm referring to/talking about... so that will have to be another discussion... But perhaps they are right. Perhaps I am disrespecting these girls (in a normatively relevant sense) when I am watching them...Fortunately, "those in feminist or religious quarters" don't set the logic!
(if you've red some feminist philosophers and some religious thinkers, you've perhaps noticed that often they don't follow the logics either
)Thanks! Interesting comment! :hatsoff:
:glugglug:
It gets to the point that many people define others by what they do for a living. I would hate to be defined by that. While there are some who are best defined by what they do, it does not apply to everyone. Let someone lose your basic respect rather than have to earn it. But leave room to be awed by them.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
IMO, that's a very good way of putting it. :thumbsup: If it's just left on that basic, human level, I have no issue with that. Very nice thought, Feller469.
IMO, this is actually a very tame board. If anyone wants to see a board where any and all industry girls are referred to as "porn whores" (and worse), and they have every aspect of their personal lives drug through the mud, there is a place like that. And these are so called "industry people" for the most part... males and females doing the mudslinging. That place appears to be dying a slow death. Too bad. So sad. Oh well...
Freeones is continuing to grow (IMO) because it allows pretty open discussions. Other than people being total asses and running off the OCSM's, I'm pretty happy with the way things are here. Not every discussion, every sex act or every word used will be for every person here. Some of us may be offended or turned off from time to time. But... that's life. :dunno:
I could not agree more. :glugglug:
i think any particular person who watches porn then hates the people in it for performing in porn needs therapy or a good old fashioned kicking, because it's pretty obvious there is something wrong with THEM. The fact that these lovely girls do all these nasty things on screen is just what it is...i don't hold any actress or other person who they themselves are 'the product' in any higher or less regard...in fact I probably respect the hard-working porno actress a hell of alot more than someone like Paris Hilton...because she is quite wretched, whilst alot of porno actresses are simply fucking gorgeous and work for a living...
my feelings about porno actresses that like to intellectualize, like sasha grey doesn't change my opinion at all, but it is good that there is an increasing realization in the 'mainstream' that its nothing to be ashamed of...
the weirdos and freaks who have issue with it all - they are the ones who need the most help...after all; we're talking about a bunch of people who think Jesus was white, spoke perfect english and enjoyed giving hugs.
so, all i can say to everyone here - is to enjoy your porn, whatever your fetish might be...say hi the girls that like to join in on the forum and drop them a compliment or two...because it doesn't hurt to be nice....and you'll BURN IN HELL if you're a bastard ;-)
my feelings about porno actresses that like to intellectualize, like sasha grey doesn't change my opinion at all, but it is good that there is an increasing realization in the 'mainstream' that its nothing to be ashamed of...
the weirdos and freaks who have issue with it all - they are the ones who need the most help...after all; we're talking about a bunch of people who think Jesus was white, spoke perfect english and enjoyed giving hugs.
so, all i can say to everyone here - is to enjoy your porn, whatever your fetish might be...say hi the girls that like to join in on the forum and drop them a compliment or two...because it doesn't hurt to be nice....and you'll BURN IN HELL if you're a bastard ;-)
Hehe... agreed! :glugglug:
^Congrats on 1K!!
Thanks a lot!!! :hatsoff:
Jane Burgess
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