Mariahxxx
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I know that you aren't supposed to discuss politics or religion with friends, but since I've already had an in-depth discussion on politics I thought why not religion also? The politics thread took a religious turn and that seemed to be a very passionate debate, so here's a discussion thread dedicated to solely religion.
Here's my theory. It's 100% man made myth. Religion was invented to explain things that science could not. And there is no questioning who wrote the bible. God didn't fax it down to the authors. It was written by men who say God inspired them. Okay, fair enough. But what's different about that than any of the people who have committed horrific murders claiming God told them to. Many people we consider to be wackos have written volumes about their encounters with God and his instructions for them. We laugh them off and say "what a lunatic" but what exactly is so different? In the Bible there are 170 murders orchestrated by God. All justified of course, because it was God after all who did the murdering.
What about Deanna Lane in Texas back in 2003 or 2004 who bashed in the head of her infant 15 month old son with a rock and then did the same to her 2 older children because she said God told her to? Well she was considered insane for doing such a horrible thing and saying God told her to do it.
To believe that there is an invisible man who lives in the clouds and knows every single thought, action and intention of billions of people is absolutely no different than believing in Santa Claus flying around the world in a sleigh being pulled by magical reindeer and delivering every child a toy. And of course Santa also knows whether or not if each and every one has been naughty or nice, right? Yeah, righttttttttt lol But tell me please, how is that any more far fetched?
There are hundreds of millions of innocent children in the world in serious agony you and I cannot imagine. There are happy healthy children being hunted by sexual predators all over the world as I write this. There are people being tortured for the whimsy of sick fucks and there are young people being murdered right now in the name of God. You can call him Allah or God or Jesus or Yahweh or Jehovah or whatever you want. We could have had a president of the USA, the most powerful man in the world who believes that God is a 6 foot 2 inch flesh and blood man who lives on the planet Kolab (a planet never found by scientists) and says that even when logic and experience tell him to do things, he often doesn't because God tells him to do otherwise. How fucking frightening is that?????? We also had 3 different Republican candidates in the last election who say God personally came to them and told them to run for president. Michele Bachman even says that God told her she was going to win!!!!!!!!!!! How'd that turn out for ya Michele??
I have heard the theory on the tribes who say God told them about star constellations they could never have understood otherwise and I've heard about the miracles that people claim take place. But for every miracle reported I bet I could give 100 atrocities that happen in the name of God or on God's watch. Maybe 1000.
Why isn't God talking and burning bushes and making himself such a presence in the world now that video has been invented?
And I cannot forget my favorite, the big explanation for all things bad in the world. Satan! Yeah, to explain why these things happen when there's a God is to say that Satan made the people do it or they were possessed. The Jehovah's Witnesses say that God runs the heavens and Satan rules the earth. That's a great way to explain away the murders and rapes and brutality of the human race when challenged isn't it? Those mental midgets also believe that Jesus wasn't on a cross, but instead he was on a stake. They say this even though in the times of Jesus crucifixion was how people were punished publicly. Well when the religion is written by a FOURTEEN YEAR OLD BOY back in the 1860s that's what your gonna get!! Do you know any 14 year olds? Well now ask yourself if they are someone who would be taken seriously and have millions of people following what they say 150 year later.
The book of Mormon was written by a teenager also. Who says Jesus lived in Missouri. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! I believe Jesus existed. I believe he was a teacher of peace and compassion. I do NOT believe however that he is the son of a virgin impregnated by God. That is just stupid. Mary was probably fucking Joseph's friend and when she got pregnant and Joseph said "How the fuck did that happen when all I'm getting is hand jobs?" Mary came up with some huge horseshit story how God gave her his baby blah blah blah then she threw some pussy at Joseph and he shut the fuck up like all men do.
Christians think the Muslims are crazy, and they are. Bat shit crazy. but so are the Christians. They are no different other than what they call their God. Christians have no problem killing in the name of God. They believe if you don't believe as they do that you are doomed. They believe when you die you will go to a magical place where everything is perfect and all is forgiven, whereas the 72 virgins thing is about the same. One calls it paradise and the other calls it heaven.
We have the right wing people in our country who's entire political party is based on morality and Christianity yet they adamantly refuse to accept the idea of poor people being helped or sick people being given treatment, even though their Bible tells them to do so.
Republican Christians will argue that private individuals and groups, not the government using public monies, should help the poor, hungry, and sick. However, this flies in the face of a couple of scriptures that I know.
In the OT, God commanded that the farmers not harvest the corners of their fields, nor pick up crops that had fallen to the ground, or to beat their olive trees twice, but to save these remnants for the poor, the widow, and the traveler. Since ancient Israel was a theocracy, God was commanding this both directly to the people and through their government. Israel also collected tithes, which corresponds to today's taxes.
When Israel was conquered by other lands, the other land's taxes were added to their financial burden. Now the Pharisees or priests asked if Jesus paid the temple tax (which I imagine was the tithe, separate from the Roman government's tax). Jesus asked Peter if a king's sons had to pay tax, and they concluded that the sons are exempt. "However," Jesus added, so as not to offend them..." Then Jesus instructed Peter to find money for the temple tax in a fish's mouth.
Conservative Christians often argue that Romans 13 proves that the government is only there to punish criminals, not to help the poor, etc. However, Romans 13 states that the government is there "to do you good." Therefore, the government is certainly permitted to help the poor or provide medicine to those who cannot afford it in a for-profit health care system such as ours!
What I find galling is that the Repubs don't want the government social programs, yet, aside from the recent faith-based initiatives, which aren't enough, they've done little or nothing to encourage private enterprise to pay living wages so the poor won't be poor, or to hire more people rather than downsizing. In fact, the Repubs have deregulated private enterprise, allowing, perhaps even encouraging them, to squeeze more work from fewer people for less wages, and to ship jobs overseas to avoid taxes and American living wages.
I call this ultraconservative--certainly not Christian!
So I call upon you, to provide some evidence that God exists. If you say "where else could we come from?" that does NOT explain the existence of God, rather just a question science has yet to answer.
I look forward to a spirited debate and some of you will become assholes who cannot accept that what has been ingrained in their brains since childhood isn't able to be proven.
So, let's hear it
Here's my theory. It's 100% man made myth. Religion was invented to explain things that science could not. And there is no questioning who wrote the bible. God didn't fax it down to the authors. It was written by men who say God inspired them. Okay, fair enough. But what's different about that than any of the people who have committed horrific murders claiming God told them to. Many people we consider to be wackos have written volumes about their encounters with God and his instructions for them. We laugh them off and say "what a lunatic" but what exactly is so different? In the Bible there are 170 murders orchestrated by God. All justified of course, because it was God after all who did the murdering.
What about Deanna Lane in Texas back in 2003 or 2004 who bashed in the head of her infant 15 month old son with a rock and then did the same to her 2 older children because she said God told her to? Well she was considered insane for doing such a horrible thing and saying God told her to do it.
To believe that there is an invisible man who lives in the clouds and knows every single thought, action and intention of billions of people is absolutely no different than believing in Santa Claus flying around the world in a sleigh being pulled by magical reindeer and delivering every child a toy. And of course Santa also knows whether or not if each and every one has been naughty or nice, right? Yeah, righttttttttt lol But tell me please, how is that any more far fetched?
There are hundreds of millions of innocent children in the world in serious agony you and I cannot imagine. There are happy healthy children being hunted by sexual predators all over the world as I write this. There are people being tortured for the whimsy of sick fucks and there are young people being murdered right now in the name of God. You can call him Allah or God or Jesus or Yahweh or Jehovah or whatever you want. We could have had a president of the USA, the most powerful man in the world who believes that God is a 6 foot 2 inch flesh and blood man who lives on the planet Kolab (a planet never found by scientists) and says that even when logic and experience tell him to do things, he often doesn't because God tells him to do otherwise. How fucking frightening is that?????? We also had 3 different Republican candidates in the last election who say God personally came to them and told them to run for president. Michele Bachman even says that God told her she was going to win!!!!!!!!!!! How'd that turn out for ya Michele??
I have heard the theory on the tribes who say God told them about star constellations they could never have understood otherwise and I've heard about the miracles that people claim take place. But for every miracle reported I bet I could give 100 atrocities that happen in the name of God or on God's watch. Maybe 1000.
Why isn't God talking and burning bushes and making himself such a presence in the world now that video has been invented?
And I cannot forget my favorite, the big explanation for all things bad in the world. Satan! Yeah, to explain why these things happen when there's a God is to say that Satan made the people do it or they were possessed. The Jehovah's Witnesses say that God runs the heavens and Satan rules the earth. That's a great way to explain away the murders and rapes and brutality of the human race when challenged isn't it? Those mental midgets also believe that Jesus wasn't on a cross, but instead he was on a stake. They say this even though in the times of Jesus crucifixion was how people were punished publicly. Well when the religion is written by a FOURTEEN YEAR OLD BOY back in the 1860s that's what your gonna get!! Do you know any 14 year olds? Well now ask yourself if they are someone who would be taken seriously and have millions of people following what they say 150 year later.
The book of Mormon was written by a teenager also. Who says Jesus lived in Missouri. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! I believe Jesus existed. I believe he was a teacher of peace and compassion. I do NOT believe however that he is the son of a virgin impregnated by God. That is just stupid. Mary was probably fucking Joseph's friend and when she got pregnant and Joseph said "How the fuck did that happen when all I'm getting is hand jobs?" Mary came up with some huge horseshit story how God gave her his baby blah blah blah then she threw some pussy at Joseph and he shut the fuck up like all men do.
Christians think the Muslims are crazy, and they are. Bat shit crazy. but so are the Christians. They are no different other than what they call their God. Christians have no problem killing in the name of God. They believe if you don't believe as they do that you are doomed. They believe when you die you will go to a magical place where everything is perfect and all is forgiven, whereas the 72 virgins thing is about the same. One calls it paradise and the other calls it heaven.
We have the right wing people in our country who's entire political party is based on morality and Christianity yet they adamantly refuse to accept the idea of poor people being helped or sick people being given treatment, even though their Bible tells them to do so.
Republican Christians will argue that private individuals and groups, not the government using public monies, should help the poor, hungry, and sick. However, this flies in the face of a couple of scriptures that I know.
In the OT, God commanded that the farmers not harvest the corners of their fields, nor pick up crops that had fallen to the ground, or to beat their olive trees twice, but to save these remnants for the poor, the widow, and the traveler. Since ancient Israel was a theocracy, God was commanding this both directly to the people and through their government. Israel also collected tithes, which corresponds to today's taxes.
When Israel was conquered by other lands, the other land's taxes were added to their financial burden. Now the Pharisees or priests asked if Jesus paid the temple tax (which I imagine was the tithe, separate from the Roman government's tax). Jesus asked Peter if a king's sons had to pay tax, and they concluded that the sons are exempt. "However," Jesus added, so as not to offend them..." Then Jesus instructed Peter to find money for the temple tax in a fish's mouth.
Conservative Christians often argue that Romans 13 proves that the government is only there to punish criminals, not to help the poor, etc. However, Romans 13 states that the government is there "to do you good." Therefore, the government is certainly permitted to help the poor or provide medicine to those who cannot afford it in a for-profit health care system such as ours!
What I find galling is that the Repubs don't want the government social programs, yet, aside from the recent faith-based initiatives, which aren't enough, they've done little or nothing to encourage private enterprise to pay living wages so the poor won't be poor, or to hire more people rather than downsizing. In fact, the Repubs have deregulated private enterprise, allowing, perhaps even encouraging them, to squeeze more work from fewer people for less wages, and to ship jobs overseas to avoid taxes and American living wages.
I call this ultraconservative--certainly not Christian!
So I call upon you, to provide some evidence that God exists. If you say "where else could we come from?" that does NOT explain the existence of God, rather just a question science has yet to answer.
I look forward to a spirited debate and some of you will become assholes who cannot accept that what has been ingrained in their brains since childhood isn't able to be proven.
So, let's hear it
and I agree 100%.
