Religion, Science, Aliens, Chickens, and etc

[Cpt.Obvious]

You're smarter than Steven Hawkings?

Awesome. Please show us the list of influential books you've published. Let us know how you've impacted any major discipline. Show us the positive impact you've had on any person outside of yourself. I'll be the first to sing your praises.



(and by the way, really only makes sense if you ignore the entire post, and don't respond at all. I'd encourage you to try that. Not responding at all, I mean.)

He was told by someone to believe in a book of ancient Semitic fairy tails, and Mr. Hawkins foolishly believes his own ability to think and reason for himself when he only had to listen to someones interpretation of the fairy stories.

 

[Supafly]

Maybe the point is:

There is no beginning. If we take that point out of the whole equation, things just roll around and gravity etc forms all kind of strange things and events.

Possibly time is no straight line - maybe it is something like a circle? Or no form at all?

It is all a bit too large and twisted for me to be sure to grasp it, I like to enjoy the moment and be well.

 

[Cpt.Obvious]

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

I'm trying to go before the big bang theory. I know it's a "theory", but there isn't much before it and they say there was always something.

Colliding membranes. According to M Theory, our universe may have been created by two colliding membranes and our universe may be just one of an infinite amount.

Now you're suppose to ask, "But what came before membranes?"

 

[mrtrebus]

Whatever He felt like.

Mmm. well I'm actually being serious here but I didn't expect a serious answer from you, maybe someone else can from a faith based perspective.
What was he doing? Its a serious theological & philosophical question. Is a god still a god if he has not created anything? If there is nothing to worship him? & where was he? Where was he existing? Why did he decide to create life the universe everything? & while we're on the subject, why is he a he?

 

[Cpt.Obvious]

for those of us who think we can rap our heads around it here is the skinny on the new physics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory

 

[PlumpRump]

Well, you were right actually. Big bang theory is somewhat different. Different scientists believe different things before the big bang theory took place. Some believe it was just made up of particles before the big bang occured, so you were right. My idea was a belief of what some scientists thought was here before the big bang.

Colliding membranes. According to M Theory, our universe may have been created by two colliding membranes and our universe may be just one of an infinite amount.

Now you're suppose to ask, "But what came before membranes?"

I see your point, and I'm glad you started a thread on this topic. I've been tripping on this thought since I was 17, and its always confused me. No matter how we got here or how the universe came to be, how did these things ever exist? If certain scientists believe that it was (for the lack of a more in depth review of certain theories) particles or membranes colliding and expanding thus creating the universe in which we live, and possibly an infinite amount of other universes, how did the particles or membranes exist to begin with? Where did they come from? I'm pretty sure we're not going to solve this equation here and now, and in reality, no one will ever be able to give me, and I emphasize me, a sufficient answer that doesn't involve creationism, but this is a question that has riddled me for more than a decade now, and it just blows my mind that, regardless of how we got here, or how the universe(s) was/were created, at one point it had to be absolutely nothing.

(That is in essence, my round about way of asking: "What came before membranes.")

 

[Cpt.Obvious]

Artur C Clarke's take on it with Fractal Geometry and the Mandelbrot set
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB8m85p7GsU

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

I see your point, and I'm glad you started a thread on this topic. I've been tripping on this thought since I was 17, and its always confused me. No matter how we got here or how the universe came to be, how did these things ever exist? If certain scientists believe that it was (for the lack of a more in depth review of certain theories) particles or membranes colliding and expanding thus creating the universe in which we live, and possibly an infinite amount of other universes, how did the particles or membranes exist to begin with? Where did they come from? I'm pretty sure we're not going to solve this equation here and now, and in reality, no one will ever be able to give me, and I emphasize me, a sufficient answer that doesn't involve creationism, but this is a question that has riddled me for more than a decade now, and it just blows my mind that, regardless of how we got here, or how the universe(s) was/were created, at one point it had to be absolutely nothing.

(That is in essence, my round about way of asking: "What came before membranes.")

Asking is great...I can't imagine how people wouldn't ask. My concern is that, in being scientific, we might create new gods and new religion trying answer it. We still don't know if membrane/ M theory is correct, but we try to figure the branes out...what they are, what came before them. In doing so, we become more dependent on theoretical physics and quantum theory ultimately becomes stranger and stranger. Science starts to become existential philosophy and that philosophy starts to become a religion that requires faith.

Think about it...I'm agnostic and find the idea of heaven and Yahweh a bit flimsy to say the least. Yet, I believe in what scientists theorize...that there's 11 dimensions, most of which are invisible and infinite and can't be articulated or conceptualized in any visual way. It'd be easy for somebody to call Schrödinger's cat as silly and absurd as believing in the Holy Ghost.

So I guess I'm saying that we should all be content with the fact that we still don't know all the answers, and may never, but we should be thankful that will live in an era where it may one day be a possibility so long as we investigate instead of demand answers. It'd be a sin to throw away reason and make leaps of faith to make all the pieces fit. I see scientists going to great lengths to fill gaps in with speculation as M theory is becoming standard fare.

 

[calpoon]

What happened before the big bang?
How did god create himself?
Did aliens create humans?
Did the chicken or the egg come first?

Nothing.
He didn't.
No.
The egg came first.

Who created it all though? How is it even possible?

No one, and it's not.

Science says something can't start from nothing. Is science flawed if this is true?

No.

'' Is God ''man'' though ?

No.:wave2:

I'm trying to go before the big bang theory. I know it's a "theory", but there isn't much before it and they say there was always something.

There wasn't.:tongue:

The big bang theory thought that there was particles that came together.

There wasn't.

The universe is infinite. Period. It always was there. It always will be there.

As for the idea that God created everything, well then what created God?

Nothing.:hatsoff:

(That is in essence, my round about way of asking: "What came before membranes.")

Nothing.:thefinger


Will E logic is fun.

 

[Cpt.Obvious]

My concern is that, in being scientific, we might create new gods and new religion trying answer it. .......

In doing so, we become more dependent on theoretical physics and quantum theory ultimately becomes stranger and stranger. Science starts to become existential philosophy and that philosophy starts to become a religion that requires faith.

...... It'd be easy for somebody to call Schrödinger's cat as silly and absurd as believing in the Holy Ghost.

There all ready are such belief systems with such philosophers as Deepak Chopra and Fred Alan Wolf.
books like
The Medium, the Mystic, and the Physicist
The Quantum and the Lotus.
I'm a mystic myself.
Some aspects of Buddhist Mysticism have reflected physics to the level that it spun off Quantum Mysticism.
It's getting to a point not just in science but also in the evolution of human knowledge, that we are forced to rethink everything from religion science and the personal experience.
That's the nature of scientific and spiritual exploration, at some point you are going to run into something that is going to make you take a hard look at the path you've taken.
Albert Einstein said "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"
to which I agree - but having said that, to confuse the one with the other is deadly.
The spiritual journey can not use scientific laws as an excuse to avoid the journey, only as a guide to new paths.
Scientific Exploration can not use spiritual experiences as a rule book, only as a guide to new possible ideas.

 

[Will E Worm]

Asking is great...I can't imagine how people wouldn't ask. My concern is that, in being scientific, we might create new gods and new religion trying answer it.

To late, they already have.

 

[Cpt.Obvious]

Or have they discovered the original ones?

 

[STDiva]

Egg came first. Lizards lay eggs, and lizards existed before chickens.

Srsly though. Kudos to all of you. It's cool to see a serious discussion once in a while. Who would have thought you could learn so much on a porn message board. (Will excluded)