Pornstars VS Prostitutes?

Jane Burgess

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We understand that. The question is if "hooking" is merely taking money in exchange for sex, why is porn legal but "hooking" not? Or vice versa.


Porn is considered entertainment and is also has a long list of laws that it must follow. The government watches the porn industry. We all know they have become much stricter on porn the last few years. Hookers would be much harder to regulate. It could be done over time, but it would be hard.
 
Porn is considered entertainment and is also has a long list of laws that it must follow. The government watches the porn industry. We all know they have become much stricter on porn the last few years. Hookers would be much harder to regulate. It could be done over time, but it would be hard.

So is that all prostitutes need do....consider their business "entertainment"? Because in the context of this thread and one of the reference cases cited, the law on the books shows no daylight between the two. The law simply defines prostitution as the exchange of money between parties for sex.

Who would credibly try and argue that porn actors are not engaging in sex for pay??

In terms of me asking the question of you...it was really a rhetorical question as I believe I know why one is illegal and the other is not.

It has to do with archaic laws on the books no one has the balls to wipe the books clear of. Prostitution laws were created in large part to selectively prosecute people...See the Mann Act (White-Slave Traffic Act of 1910).
 

Jane Burgess

Official Checked Star Member
So is that all prostitutes need do....consider their business "entertainment"? Because in the context of this thread and one of the reference cases cited, the law on the books shows no daylight between the two. The law simply defines prostitution as the exchange of money between parties for sex.

Who would credibly try and argue that porn actors are not engaging in sex for pay??

In terms of me asking the question of you...it was really a rhetorical question as I believe I know why one is illegal and the other is not.

It has to do with archaic laws on the books no one has the balls to wipe the books clear of. Prostitution laws were created in large part to selectively prosecute people...See the Mann Act (White-Slave Traffic Act of 1910).


Personally I have no problem with prostitutes. It should be legal. Have them tested once a month for STD's and have a database of all legal prostitutes. Technically they are adult entertainment, so thay are a part of the adult industry already.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Why is it okay for Pornstars to get paid for having sex but its not okay for prostitutes? Just something I've always wondered.

There's a ridiculous legal loophole that allows people to participate in and produce pornographic films. See, according to the law, prostitutes are getting paid to have sex, which is illegal. But, according to the law, porn stars are getting paid to ACT, not have sex, which is totally legal.

:dunno:
 
There's a ridiculous legal loophole that allows people to participate in and produce pornographic films. See, according to the law, prostitutes are getting paid to have sex, which is illegal. But, according to the law, porn stars are getting paid to ACT, not have sex, which is totally legal.

:dunno:

One problem...the acting is having sex. Further, why couldn't a prostitute argue she's acting too? Which in most cases they are. :1orglaugh
 

habo9

Banned
There's a ridiculous legal loophole that allows people to participate in and produce pornographic films. See, according to the law, prostitutes are getting paid to have sex, which is illegal. But, according to the law, porn stars are getting paid to ACT, not have sex, which is totally legal.

:dunno:

Why dont they put a video camera in every room in brothels? :dunno:
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
One problem...the acting is having sex. Further, why couldn't a prostitute argue she's acting too? Which in most cases they are. :1orglaugh

But, it's still "acting" according to the law. Obviously, that's a huuuuuge loophole that some morons completely overlooked when writing the laws, but it's still how the law works.

Also, I'm not sure of the exact law, but another reason that pornography isn't considered prostitution is because the actors aren't the ones who are paying eachother. The producers are technically paying the porn stars to have sex with eachother, so, technically, nobody paid anybody to have sex with them...just other people.

Once again...:dunno:
 
In the US the legal difference between pornography and prostitution (which btw I am for legalizing) is as I have posted before that pornography is considered protected speech under the 1st amendment.

It the same concept that protects other forms of expression that might be seen as somewhat controversial like paintings of Jesus some religious groups have not liked.

The Supreme court has what they call the "miller test" to determine if something is obscene and can be prohibited.The pornography we watch does not fall into the obscene category.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test

"The Miller test is the United States Supreme Court's test for determining whether speech or expression can be labeled obscene, in which case it is not protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and can be prohibited."

"The Miller test was developed in the 1973 case Miller v. California.[1] It has three parts:

Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
Whether the work depicts/describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions[2] specifically defined by applicable state law,
Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value. (This is also known as the (S)LAPS test- [Serious] Literary, Artistic, Political, Scientific.)
The work is considered obscene only if all three conditions are satisfied."




It's not about who pays who.It's about one is considered art (pornography) and one is not (prostitution).
 
But, it's still "acting" according to the law. Obviously, that's a huuuuuge loophole that some morons completely overlooked when writing the laws, but it's still how the law works.

Also, I'm not sure of the exact law, but another reason that pornography isn't considered prostitution is because the actors aren't the ones who are paying eachother. The producers are technically paying the porn stars to have sex with eachother, so, technically, nobody paid anybody to have sex with them...just other people.

Once again...:dunno:

In the US the legal difference between pornography and prostitution (which btw I am for legalizing) is as I have posted before that pornography is considered protected speech under the 1st amendment.

It the same concept that protects other forms of expression that might be seen as somewhat controversial like paintings of Jesus some religious groups have not liked.

The Supreme court has what they call the "miller test" to determine if something is obscene and can be prohibited.The pornography we watch does not fall into the obscene category.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test

"The Miller test is the United States Supreme Court's test for determining whether speech or expression can be labeled obscene, in which case it is not protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and can be prohibited."

"The Miller test was developed in the 1973 case Miller v. California.[1] It has three parts:

Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
Whether the work depicts/describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions[2] specifically defined by applicable state law,
Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value. (This is also known as the (S)LAPS test- [Serious] Literary, Artistic, Political, Scientific.)
The work is considered obscene only if all three conditions are satisfied."




It's not about who pays who.It's about one is considered art (pornography) and one is not (prostitution).

The truth of the matter is in law, you can create almost any reality you want by wordsmithing a good case or opinion (or not in some cases).

You can call it art and I would even buy the suggestion if the sex was merely simulated. But no one can reasonably argue against sex occurring during a hardcore porn scene.

The extreme example would be just because it's "art" you can actually murder a person on screen when the same act beyond the screen is illegal.

Ergo...you can actually pay someone for sex..an otherwise illegal act in most jurisdictions just because it's considered art.

It just doesn't hold water.

I think the case against banning prostitution should be made on the basis that it violates a person's IV amendment right to be secure in their person as the state is without cause exercising domain over something it is constitutionally prohibited from...your person (body).

It's legal to pay someone for phone sex but if a person offers up their body (person) for the same thing the state prohibits it.

I say our most basic right is to do with our bodies what we see fit if we're to be truly secure in our persons.
 
Eh, it's sort of the classic debate. Most likely because the precedent has been set before. For example, it's illegal to go out and fight someone, that would be considered assault, but you get a ring together, and an audience, and you've got boxing, or MMA as the case may be. It's probably got a lot to do with a mix of old societal values and stigmas with current values and stigmas.

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